'Black Friday' and associated fallout megathread

DetroitJimmy

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Those sites aint comin back my friend. 99.99% sure they aint.


And you know this how? Don't start a panic because if they ever do get back online they sure as hell won't be likely to cater to American players if there is a mass withdrawal! No way they will back up players who won't back them up and play at their site.

By no means am I suggesting to keep large sums of money online. At least leave some in your account and continue to play. This is IF they come back online for US players. I'm thinking there is a much better than .01% chance to.
 
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So what's everyone's opinion on withdrawing right now on PS and/or Fulltilt?
 
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So what's everyone's opinion on withdrawing right now on PS and/or Fulltilt?
You can't if you are in the US. Not yet anyway.
At least on PS, I am pretty sure FT is the same, or did they just stop transfers? I am too lazy to go back....
 
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I opened full tilt as I normally would, I only have the real money site downloaded (it is an icon on my desktop), hahahahaha
sorry....

I might actually play this godforsaken thing now, it might be a sign.

no silly, when you hit register, it took you to a webpage right? which domain name was the webpage under, the one where you click the button that says register/unregister/
 
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Bollocks to this, I just withdrew all my FT and Stars roll.... heres hoping it reaches the bank!
 
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All I can say is thank God the US Government is there is take care of me.

What a joke.
 
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So what's everyone's opinion on withdrawing right now on PS and/or Fulltilt?
I pulled out 2/3 of my BR. 1/3 via etransfer and 1/3 via paper check. I'll leave the rest on FTP for now and continue to play. Looks like I'm back to 50nl though.
 
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I have withdrawn my BR from Stars and it went through instantly but I am in the UK, if things get sorted out I will deposit again, hopefully to play in the CC league, this is all so confusing to a small brain like mine:eek:
 
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I'm still able to log in and play at FTP and log in at pokerstars (I have no money on there). I'm taking that as a good sign for now but I'm pretty damn bummed. I came back from work today and had to read all this crap.
 
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OK, this is too distracting. Off to get some things done, and play some poker like it's play money, since it basically is now.
 
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As for this BS:
According to @GamblingComp, all the indicted sites, around the world, will be down within 48 hours.

Could this not simply mean that due to DNS propagation delays that the WEBsites will be fully down around the world in 48 hours???

Much more plausible than the site shutting down worldwide. I swear to God these twitter ****ers write the shittiest tweets to drive followers. There is NOTHING in the above that makes me think the sites are shitting down. Fear mongering mutha ****ers imo.
 
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God damn!Now I know how the Romans felt like when they got invaded :p...
But if they were indeed laundering money and stealing from banks it's pretty hard to root for them too!
Meh...Time will tell and I think for now there are only 3 options:
1-play at other sites.
2-Play at live casinos.
3-Stop playing.
You're all poker players anyway, just have some damn patience!
 
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As for this BS:


Could this not simply mean that due to DNS propagation delays that the WEBsites will be fully down around the world in 48 hours???

Much more plausible than the site shutting down worldwide. I swear to God these twitter ****ers write the shittiest tweets to drive followers. There is NOTHING in the above that makes me think the sites are shitting down. Fear mongering mutha ****ers imo.


absolute and total bull smack, i dont agree they are just using this as a moment of suspense for them, shame on those writers
 
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I requested a check from Stars while I was freaking out when this 1st hit. But I cancelled it after I thought about how valid the Payment processor's check might or might not be. I'd rather wait it out than be sent a worthless check and deal with bank return fees.
 
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God damn!Now I know how the Romans felt like when they got invaded :p...
But if they were indeed laundering money and stealing from banks it's pretty hard to root for them too!
Meh...Time will tell and I think for now there are only 3 options:
1-play at other sites.
2-Play at live casinos.
3-Stop playing.
You're all poker players anyway, just have some damn patience!
They"laundered money"in order to pay us our damn money.Because the feds kept raiding OUR MONEY and stole it.So they had to lie to get us our money.
 
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U.S. Government Moves To Shut Down World’s Biggest Online Poker Companies

Apr. 15 2011 - 2:50 pm | 24,071 views | 1 recommendation | 4 comments
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Federal prosecutors today unsealed a sweeping indictment against Isai Scheinberg and Raymond Bitar, founders of the world’s biggest online poker companies, and moved to try to shut down their businesses.
The indictment filed by Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan, charges Scheinberg, the founder of PokerStars, and Bitar, the founder of full tilt poker, as well as nine other individuals, accusing them of operating illegal gambling businesses. Federal prosecutors also filed a civil lawsuit seeking $3 billion in civil money laundering penalties, alleging the online poker companies disguised money they received from U.S. poker players as payments to online merchants selling jewelry and golf balls.
The U.S. Attorney in Manhattan moved to try to shut down the online poker business in America by seizing five Internet domain names, including pokerstars.com and fulltiltpoker.com, used by the three main companies facilitating online poker games in the U.S. In addition, a federal judge issued a restraining order against 76 bank accounts in 14 countries utilized by those online poker firms.
The indictment sets up a complicated global legal battle between the Department of Justice and the online poker entrepreneurs who have long argued that their operations in the U.S. do not violate U.S. law. Indeed, in recent days, one of the nation’s most prominent casino billionaires, Steve Wynn, announced a strategic relationship with PokerStars and said “in the United States of America the Justice Department has an opinion but several states have ruled and courts have agreed that poker is a game of skill, it’s not gambling. PokerStars rests their argument on that.”
But in a 51-page indictment filed in federal court in Manhattan, federal prosecutors allege that PokerStars, Fullt Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker, “used fraudulent methods to avoid restrictions and to receive billions of dollars from United States residents who gambled.” The indictment largely focuses on financial transactions, claiming the online poker companies violated a 2006 law that Congress passed to cut off the flow of cash to online gambling companies, saying the firms “deceived or directed others to deceive United States banks and financial institutions into processing billions of dollars in payments.”
Offshore companies like PokerStars, based in the Isle of Man, and Full Tilt, which is run from ireland, generate more than $1.4 billion in revenues in the U.S. online poker market. But for years they operated under the shadow of the Department of Justice, which took the position that online poker violated U.S. law. A lawyer for Full Tilt Poker’s Bitar described the cat and mouse game between the feds and the poker firms as “a guerrilla war” in a Forbes article one year ago that detailed the federal government’s actions in the online poker arena.
Federal agents arrested two men, Chad Elie, a payment processor, and John Campos, a part owner of a small bank, this morning in Las Vegas and Utah. Another payment processor, Bradley Franzen, is expected to appear for his arraignment in Manhattan next week. But a number of the indicted individuals, including Scheinberg and Bitar, are not in the U.S. and have not been arrested, potentially setting the stage for extradition battles. Two famous poker champions, Howard Lederer and Chris “Jesus” Ferguson, who have strong connections to Full Tilt Poker, were not named in the indictment.
Federal prosecutors claim that the men behind PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute Poker, relied on highly compensated payment processors who lied to U.S. banks about the nature of financial transactions they were processing. In the past, PokerStars has maintained that payment processors who got in trouble with law enforcement had hid information from the company.
In its court filing, however, the government claims the poker companies were working with the payment processors to deceive banks and financial institutions. For example, the feds say that Bitar worked to create fictitious companies, including phony online flower shops and pet supply stores, to help facilitate credit card transactions. The government alleges that Scheinberg helped develop pre-paid debit cards or phone cards that could be loaded with funds from a U.S. customer’s credit card without using a gambling transaction code. Legal documents and other circumstantial evidence suggest federal agents have been able to secure the cooperation of payment processors who have pleaded guilty during the government’s investigation.
“The key to the indictment is the bank fraud conspiracy charge. The factual basis for that charge includes the alleged misrepresentations about the nature of the transactions being processed, in effect, a cover-up,” says Kevin Di Gregory, a former federal prosecutor who is now a partner at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips. “The government will argue that whether poker was gambling is irrelevant to proving this charge, but that nevertheless the efforts to mask the transactions suggests the defendants knew the gambling activity behind them was illegal.
 
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I've been strictly freerolls for awhile and was going to make my first deposit on Monday. Dam it, I was looking forward to playing with real money. I'll just have to wait and see what happens. Hopefully all us players can voice there displeasures and stir something up to get our reps. to see that playing poker should be everyones given right to win or lose from the money they earn. This really sucks man.
 
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They"laundered money"in order to pay us our damn money.Because the feds kept raiding OUR MONEY and stole it.So they had to lie to get us our money.


exactly! The banks didn't "lose" any monies they just didn't know where it was going or coming from.

It was all done in the name of customer service.
 
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