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I'm now trying to get over $100 I've won off Carbon.Very slow in paying.payment is now pending for over a week:(
Yeah you're not going to get anywhere close to a 1 week turnaround from Merge. Best I've ever seen is 2 weeks when Lock paid out through their casino for a short time before they got swamped. This was when Merge was taking 6-8 weeks to pay out, and sometimes longer. It's not Carbon, Lock, BCP, et al, it's the Merge network -- they handle the poker cashier.

However Lock has now somehow gotten approval to manage their own payouts now and things should be better there. For instance they now offer bank wires. Not sure what the other Merge skins will be doing.
 
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LOl took 7weeks for me lol and you can't order next check till first one has been approved:)

Yeah, took from Jan 24 until March 14 to get my check approved by carbon. Still waiting on it to arrive.
 
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black friday's cause........Daniel Tzvetkoff

Daniel Tzvetkoff, the one-time high-flying Queensland internet whiz who brought down America's multibillion-dollar online poker industry, will come out of hiding next month.
The 29-year-old faced a sentence of 75 years in a US federal prison but in 2010, while languishing in a New York jail, he struck a secret deal with prosecutors and has become a star informant for the US government in its bid to prosecute the kingpins of three of the world's largest online gambling companies: pokerstars, full tilt poker and Absolute Poker.
AAP can reveal that Tzvetkoff, whose Queensland-based company Intabill allegedly processed more than $US1 billion ($957 million) worth of illegal transactions between US gamblers and internet gaming websites based offshore, has handed more than 90,000 documents over to prosecutors.
Campos, a 57-year-old executive at Utah's SunFirst Bank who allegedly agreed to process gambling transactions, is charged with six offences and could be jailed for 35 years.
This week, Elie's lawyers complained to the judge handling the case that, on the eve of the trial, prosecutors dumped a "mountain of documents" on them, including Tzvetkoff's emails.
"For example, although the government had previously produced emails for Daniel Tzvetkoff, one of the government's main witnesses in this case, the material we recently received revealed that Mr Tzvetkoff had deleted his emails from the Intabill server, which had previously been made available to the defence, and that the Tzvetkoff emails that were included in prior productions were therefore ones that Mr Tzvetkoff had cherry-picked for the government," Monday's filing from Elie's lawyers, Barry Berke and Dani James, stated.
The inside information includes confidential emails.
Tzvetkoff's first public test as a prosecution witness will come on April 9 in a New York courtroom when a former Las Vegas-based business partner, Chad Elie, and a Utah banker, John Campos, go on trial.
Elie, 31, is charged with nine offences including conspiring to commit bank fraud and money laundering and faces a maximum jail sentence of 85 years if convicted.
"Only after we pointed this out to the government did we receive a full set of Mr Tzvetkoff's materials, which included more than 90,000 documents and which we were able to access for the first time only yesterday."
Tzvetkoff was once a media darling in Australia, flaunting his wealth - estimated at $82 million just a few years ago - with a $27 million home on the Gold Coast, a garage filled with Lamborghinis and Ferraris, and as a sponsor of V8 Supercar racing team, Team IntaRacing.
His world came crashing down in 2009 when the internet poker companies, for which he allegedly helped launder $US1 billion, accused him of stealing about $US100 million.
Tzvetkoff was arrested at Las Vegas's upmarket Encore casino in April 2010 and charged with money laundering, bank fraud and other charges.
US federal prosecutors vigorously fought to keep Tzvetkoff in jail after his arrest, including successfully overturning a Las Vegas judge's decision to grant Tzvetkoff bail.
Tzvetkoff was transferred to a New York jail and sat there until June 2010 but, in secret dealings, sealed by judges, Tzvetkoff disappeared.
"He's turned the corner, seen the light and is co-operating," former FBI agent Harold Copus, after reviewing the details of the case, told AAP.
On April 15, 2011, Tzvetkoff's inside knowledge led to what has been dubbed in the US as "Black Friday", the day tens of thousands of US poker players logged on to their computers and discovered three top gambling sites - PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker - had been shut down in the US by authorities.
The FBI and prosecutors also announced that day internet gambling kingpins Isai Scheinberg and Paul Tate of PokerStars, Raymond Bitar and Nelson Burtnick of Full Tilt Poker, and Scott Tom and Brent Beckley of Absolute Poker, were charged with bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offences.
Elie and Campos were also charged in the sweep.
Prosecutors alleged Elie, as Tzvetkoff's Intabill was crumbling in 2009, fleeced $US4 million from PokerStars.
"Intabill's founder, Daniel Tzvetkoff, who processed over $US1 billion for the poker companies, ended up owing tens of millions to PokerStars," prosecutor Arlo Deviln-Brown wrote in a recent court filing.
"While Tzvetkoff's lifestyle is squarely responsible for much of the missing money ($US25 million on a house, for example), the fact is that 'sub-processors' that Tzvetkoff relied on - including Elie - also failed to remit and indeed simply made off with the money PokerStars was missing."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...in-us-trial-20120321-1vjqx.html#ixzz1pjtru5M0
 
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According to this story on pokerfuse there still may be hopes of deal happening

I wouldn't think this guy would make a deal though, it just doesn't seem worth it.

:eek: have you seen the many many millions made by anyone even associated with this . it's a license to print money :eek:

I read the article in the link and I for one sure hope to recover some if not all of the funds i had in that account . Also i miss the play and being able to deal at the final table , i just hope when and if the new management take over the same options are used
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if or when the deal goes down , we Americans will not be allowed to play and the only way we're getting any money back is fighting with the DOJ :eek: sorry to burst your bubble .


Daniel Tzvetkoff, the one-time high-flying Queensland internet whiz who brought down America's multibillion-dollar online poker industry, will come out of hiding next month.
The 29-year-old faced a sentence of 75 years in a US federal prison but in 2010, while languishing in a New York jail, he struck a secret deal with prosecutors and has become a star informant for the US government in its bid to prosecute the kingpins of three of the world's largest online gambling companies: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker.
AAP can reveal that Tzvetkoff, whose Queensland-based company Intabill allegedly processed more than $US1 billion ($957 million) worth of illegal transactions between US gamblers and internet gaming websites based offshore, has handed more than 90,000 documents over to prosecutors.
Campos, a 57-year-old executive at Utah's SunFirst Bank who allegedly agreed to process gambling transactions, is charged with six offences and could be jailed for 35 years.
This week, Elie's lawyers complained to the judge handling the case that, on the eve of the trial, prosecutors dumped a "mountain of documents" on them, including Tzvetkoff's emails.
"For example, although the government had previously produced emails for Daniel Tzvetkoff, one of the government's main witnesses in this case, the material we recently received revealed that Mr Tzvetkoff had deleted his emails from the Intabill server, which had previously been made available to the defence, and that the Tzvetkoff emails that were included in prior productions were therefore ones that Mr Tzvetkoff had cherry-picked for the government," Monday's filing from Elie's lawyers, Barry Berke and Dani James, stated.
The inside information includes confidential emails.
Tzvetkoff's first public test as a prosecution witness will come on April 9 in a New York courtroom when a former Las Vegas-based business partner, Chad Elie, and a Utah banker, John Campos, go on trial.
Elie, 31, is charged with nine offences including conspiring to commit bank fraud and money laundering and faces a maximum jail sentence of 85 years if convicted.
"Only after we pointed this out to the government did we receive a full set of Mr Tzvetkoff's materials, which included more than 90,000 documents and which we were able to access for the first time only yesterday."
Tzvetkoff was once a media darling in Australia, flaunting his wealth - estimated at $82 million just a few years ago - with a $27 million home on the Gold Coast, a garage filled with Lamborghinis and Ferraris, and as a sponsor of V8 Supercar racing team, Team IntaRacing.
His world came crashing down in 2009 when the internet poker companies, for which he allegedly helped launder $US1 billion, accused him of stealing about $US100 million.
Tzvetkoff was arrested at Las Vegas's upmarket Encore casino in April 2010 and charged with money laundering, bank fraud and other charges.
US federal prosecutors vigorously fought to keep Tzvetkoff in jail after his arrest, including successfully overturning a Las Vegas judge's decision to grant Tzvetkoff bail.
Tzvetkoff was transferred to a New York jail and sat there until June 2010 but, in secret dealings, sealed by judges, Tzvetkoff disappeared.
"He's turned the corner, seen the light and is co-operating," former FBI agent Harold Copus, after reviewing the details of the case, told AAP.
On April 15, 2011, Tzvetkoff's inside knowledge led to what has been dubbed in the US as "Black Friday", the day tens of thousands of US poker players logged on to their computers and discovered three top gambling sites - PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker - had been shut down in the US by authorities.
The FBI and prosecutors also announced that day internet gambling kingpins Isai Scheinberg and Paul Tate of PokerStars, Raymond Bitar and Nelson Burtnick of Full Tilt Poker, and Scott Tom and Brent Beckley of Absolute Poker, were charged with bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offences.
Elie and Campos were also charged in the sweep.
Prosecutors alleged Elie, as Tzvetkoff's Intabill was crumbling in 2009, fleeced $US4 million from PokerStars.
"Intabill's founder, Daniel Tzvetkoff, who processed over $US1 billion for the poker companies, ended up owing tens of millions to PokerStars," prosecutor Arlo Deviln-Brown wrote in a recent court filing.
"While Tzvetkoff's lifestyle is squarely responsible for much of the missing money ($US25 million on a house, for example), the fact is that 'sub-processors' that Tzvetkoff relied on - including Elie - also failed to remit and indeed simply made off with the money PokerStars was missing."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...in-us-trial-20120321-1vjqx.html#ixzz1pjtru5M0

anyone seen the show " a 1000 ways to die " ? none of them are to good for him :)
 
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U.S. Poker players need ALEC now!!!

Corporate-backed legislation warps US democracy

Paul Krugman

March 28, 2012
Opinion


Florida's now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest, let alone prosecution, sounds crazy - and it is. And it's tempting to dismiss this law as the work of ignorant yahoos. But similar laws have been pushed across the United States, not by ignorant yahoos, but by big corporations.

Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida's law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organisation that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence (only recently, thanks to yeoman work by the Center for Media and Democracy, has a clear picture of ALEC's activities emerged). And if there is any silver lining to Trayvon Martin's killing, it is that it might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to American society - and American democracy.

What is ALEC? Despite claims that it's nonpartisan, it's very much a movement-conservative organisation, funded by the usual suspects: the Kochs, Exxon Mobil, and so on. Unlike other such groups, however, it doesn't just influence laws, it literally writes them, supplying fully drafted bills to state legislators. In Virginia, for example, more than 50 ALEC-written bills have been introduced, many almost word for word. And these bills often become law.

Many ALEC-drafted bills pursue standard conservative goals: union-busting, undermining environmental protection, tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. ALEC seems, however, to have a special interest in privatisation - that is, on turning the provision of public services, from schools to prisons, over to for-profit corporations. And some of the most prominent beneficiaries of privatisation, such as the online education company K12 Inc. and the prison operator Corrections Corporation of America, are, not surprisingly, very much involved with the organisation.

What this tells us, in turn, is that ALEC's claim to stand for limited government and free markets is deeply misleading. To a large extent the organisation seeks not limited government but privatised government, in which corporations get their profits from taxpayer dollars, dollars steered their way by friendly politicians. In short, ALEC isn't so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism.

And in case you were wondering, no, the kind of privatisation ALEC promotes isn't in the public interest; instead of success stories, what we're getting are a series of scandals. Private charter schools, for example, appear to deliver a lot of profits but little in the way of educational achievement.

But where does the encouragement of vigilante (in)justice fit into this picture? In part it's the same old story - the long-standing exploitation of public fears, especially those associated with racial tension, to promote a pro-corporate, pro-wealthy agenda. It's neither an accident nor a surprise that the National Rifle Association and ALEC have been close allies all along.

And ALEC, even more than other movement-conservative organisations, is clearly playing a long game. Its legislative templates aren't just about generating immediate benefits to the organisation's corporate sponsors; they're about creating a political climate that will favour even more corporation-friendly legislation in the future. Did I mention that ALEC has played a key role in promoting bills that make it hard for the poor and ethnic minorities to vote?

Yet that's not all; you have to think about the interests of the penal-industrial complex - prison operators, bail-bond companies and more. (The American Bail Coalition has publicly described ALEC as its ''life preserver''.) This complex has a financial stake in anything that sends more people into the courts and the prisons, whether it's exaggerated fear of racial minorities or Arizona's Draconian immigration law, a law that followed an ALEC template almost verbatim.

Think about that: the US seems to be turning into a country where crony capitalism doesn't just waste taxpayer money but warps criminal justice, in which growing incarceration reflects not the need to protect law-abiding citizens but the profits corporations can reap from a larger prison population.

ALEC isn't single-handedly responsible for the corporatisation of our political life; its influence is as much a symptom as a cause. But shining a light on ALEC and its supporters - a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T to Coca-Cola, that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda - is one good way to highlight what's going on. And that kind of knowledge is what we need to start taking our country back.
New York Times

If only the Poker Players Alliance could get ALEC to draft a few online poker laws, after all they ARE for hard right business' such as casino's.


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opi...racy-20120327-1vwne.html#ixzz1qOwK59fcConline
 
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Pocket Kings (the shell company that was actually in Dublin running FT) is hiring.

http://www.worky.com/company/pocket-kings-ltd/jobs

Also, if you check a certain other forum's containment thread for Full Tilt, there appears to be a lot of indications that it is moving in the direction of restarting in the somewhat near future.

I think some cautious optimism might be in order. Good luck.
 
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Also, if you check a certain other forum's containment thread

Is it alright if I stay away from the boxing matches and let you continue to filter the din for me?

Is why I cherish CC. I can't take noisy places. :eek:

I liked FT. Liked their client a lot. But the others are getting the job done. Sooooo... I'm not letting my dress get blown up till I feel a substantial wind. :cool:


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Corporate-backed legislation warps US democracy

Paul Krugman

March 28, 2012
Opinion


Florida's now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest, let alone prosecution, sounds crazy - and it is. And it's tempting to dismiss this law as the work of ignorant yahoos. But similar laws have been pushed across the United States, not by ignorant yahoos, but by big corporations.

Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida's law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organisation that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence (only recently, thanks to yeoman work by the Center for Media and Democracy, has a clear picture of ALEC's activities emerged). And if there is any silver lining to Trayvon Martin's killing, it is that it might finally place a spotlight on what ALEC is doing to American society - and American democracy.

What is ALEC? Despite claims that it's nonpartisan, it's very much a movement-conservative organisation, funded by the usual suspects: the Kochs, Exxon Mobil, and so on. Unlike other such groups, however, it doesn't just influence laws, it literally writes them, supplying fully drafted bills to state legislators. In Virginia, for example, more than 50 ALEC-written bills have been introduced, many almost word for word. And these bills often become law.

Many ALEC-drafted bills pursue standard conservative goals: union-busting, undermining environmental protection, tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. ALEC seems, however, to have a special interest in privatisation - that is, on turning the provision of public services, from schools to prisons, over to for-profit corporations. And some of the most prominent beneficiaries of privatisation, such as the online education company K12 Inc. and the prison operator Corrections Corporation of America, are, not surprisingly, very much involved with the organisation.

What this tells us, in turn, is that ALEC's claim to stand for limited government and free markets is deeply misleading. To a large extent the organisation seeks not limited government but privatised government, in which corporations get their profits from taxpayer dollars, dollars steered their way by friendly politicians. In short, ALEC isn't so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism.

And in case you were wondering, no, the kind of privatisation ALEC promotes isn't in the public interest; instead of success stories, what we're getting are a series of scandals. Private charter schools, for example, appear to deliver a lot of profits but little in the way of educational achievement.

But where does the encouragement of vigilante (in)justice fit into this picture? In part it's the same old story - the long-standing exploitation of public fears, especially those associated with racial tension, to promote a pro-corporate, pro-wealthy agenda. It's neither an accident nor a surprise that the National Rifle Association and ALEC have been close allies all along.

And ALEC, even more than other movement-conservative organisations, is clearly playing a long game. Its legislative templates aren't just about generating immediate benefits to the organisation's corporate sponsors; they're about creating a political climate that will favour even more corporation-friendly legislation in the future. Did I mention that ALEC has played a key role in promoting bills that make it hard for the poor and ethnic minorities to vote?

Yet that's not all; you have to think about the interests of the penal-industrial complex - prison operators, bail-bond companies and more. (The American Bail Coalition has publicly described ALEC as its ''life preserver''.) This complex has a financial stake in anything that sends more people into the courts and the prisons, whether it's exaggerated fear of racial minorities or Arizona's Draconian immigration law, a law that followed an ALEC template almost verbatim.

Think about that: the US seems to be turning into a country where crony capitalism doesn't just waste taxpayer money but warps criminal justice, in which growing incarceration reflects not the need to protect law-abiding citizens but the profits corporations can reap from a larger prison population.

ALEC isn't single-handedly responsible for the corporatisation of our political life; its influence is as much a symptom as a cause. But shining a light on ALEC and its supporters - a roster that includes many companies, from AT&T to Coca-Cola, that have so far managed to avoid being publicly associated with the hard-right agenda - is one good way to highlight what's going on. And that kind of knowledge is what we need to start taking our country back.
New York Times

If only the Poker Players Alliance could get ALEC to draft a few online poker laws, after all they ARE for hard right business' such as casino's.


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opi...racy-20120327-1vwne.html#ixzz1qOwK59fcConline



although this story is very scary if true , I DO NOT agree with the opinion stated on stand your ground and have started a new thread for opinions on that . https://www.cardschat.com/forum/community-hangout-4/stand-your-ground-208901/
 
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No. He's actually one of the most relevant intellectual on your side of the atlantic.

You and I hold massively opposing worldviews. I would be surprised if we didn't have vastly different opinions on him.

I agree with you he is an "intellectual". But he is also a graceless hyper-partisan.

I am not particularly fond of hyper partisanism even even when the partisan is more in line with my views unlike Krugman.

I also see him as pedantic, arrogant, extremely preachy, almost perfectly intolerant, and annoyingly smug.

Of course this is badly off topic so I will leave it alone.
 
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Right.... It takes an intellectual to turn the 10 year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks into an extremely biased political jab, not to mention basically slapping anyone that had family/friends affected in the attacks in the face
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/

/rant

You have serious reading comprehension issues, imo.

In that post he laments that 9/11 was not a unifying moment for the US. How is that slapping any one of the victims in the face?

That 9/11 was used politically by GW Bush is not a partisan jab, it's a fact. And it's a fact worth lamenting over, especially on the 10 year anniversary of the tragedy.
 
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You and I hold massively opposing worldviews. I would be surprised if we didn't have vastly different opinions on him.

I agree with you he is an "intellectual". But he is also a graceless hyper-partisan.

He's partisan for sure, be he's neither graceless nor hyper. See how he treats Frum or Rogoff for instance.

He does have little patience for stupidity. I don't think it's a defect and I fully sympathise with that.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/the-mendacity-of-dopes/
 
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He's partisan for sure, be he's neither graceless nor hyper. See how he treats Frum or Rogoff for instance.

He does have little patience for stupidity. I don't think it's a defect and I fully sympathise with that.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/03/the-mendacity-of-dopes/


I enjoy his articles sometimes. I am not an economist of any kind so frequently I am lost in the nuance of what he talks about to be honest.

I can understand your respect of him as a like minded fellow superbrain.

All that aside, it's nice to see you again. Hope you are well!
 
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OK derail.

Thanks to AH, BS and cL for bringing my attention to Paul Krugman. I did not know him. I read the 2 links. (and some others, and will continue to look)

the quote below is spot on. His (Krugman) article that the quote was commenting on as well......
In that post he laments that 9/11 was not a unifying moment for the US. How is that slapping any one of the victims in the face?

That 9/11 was used politically by GW Bush is not a partisan jab, it's a fact. And it's a fact worth lamenting over, especially on the 10 year anniversary of the tragedy.
 
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It's so weird how one little throw-in clause on an Act that had nothing to do with online poker can cause such a huge chain of events.

One year since Black Friday. Full Tilt Poker has been rumored to be opened soon millions of times since then. I just don't believe it anymore, I don't think anyone will get their money back (especially Americans).

But I still have hope that online poker will eventually become legalized in the US. Cmon
 
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Wonder if Weird Al would be interested in doing another American Pie parody?

Why? Why, Mr. DoJ guy?
I was baller, stackin dollars when FTP went bye-bye
Now I'm rollin at the quarter, from big fish to small fry
Saying one time to a scummy French guy
One time oh you scummy French guy.

The Day My bankroll Died.
 
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