Monoxide
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Its very simple. They want you playing poker/pit games in the real life casinos for the taxes they apply to every single person. They can't tax people online.
Its very simple. They want you playing poker/pit games in the real life casinos for the taxes they apply to every single person. They can't tax people online.
Tammy
Can I help you?
Administrator
PS is blocked for me, but I just tested FT and was able to sit at a ring game and reg. for a SNG. I'm in California though, so maybe they just haven't reached this far yet.
Sigh...this really sucks, but thankfully I have a very small roll online, so I can afford to wait it out.
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Lofwyr
Rock Star
Silver Level
They CAN, they're just asinine and choose to make the activity illegal instead of legal and taxable.
troderick
Rock Star
Silver Level
What a shame. What resourse co we have? How many online poker players are in the US? What if cardschat were to find out shich politician spearheaded this fiasco and all of us made sure that politician were never elected again? Of course, we would have to put aside our petty party line bias. Just a thought.
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Oil_Fan
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is quite the mess. Here is what I see. PS, FTP and such are not US companies. Their servers are not hosted in the US (canada and the Isle of Man...maybe other countries). While the people listed who the US Government wants to arrest, only one resides full time in the US (from an earlier post someone made).
While these people may have broken US law, that still might not mean the US will be able to get them extradited. I know that the extradition treaty with Canada requires that the law that the person is accused of violating in the US would also have to be illegal in Canada. And here's the tricky part. While wire fraud and such laws are similar in Canada, the fact remains that there's no law against transferring of funds for use of gambling. There for no Canadian equivalent law would have been broken. So it may very well likely be that those who can reside in other countries might be safe as long as they don't set foot in the US. This is just my opinion of course.
Of course the whole part of us not being able to play (since I now live in the US of A) is just a disaster. I guess I can still play on Carbon...for now...
While these people may have broken US law, that still might not mean the US will be able to get them extradited. I know that the extradition treaty with Canada requires that the law that the person is accused of violating in the US would also have to be illegal in Canada. And here's the tricky part. While wire fraud and such laws are similar in Canada, the fact remains that there's no law against transferring of funds for use of gambling. There for no Canadian equivalent law would have been broken. So it may very well likely be that those who can reside in other countries might be safe as long as they don't set foot in the US. This is just my opinion of course.
Of course the whole part of us not being able to play (since I now live in the US of A) is just a disaster. I guess I can still play on Carbon...for now...
Kenzie 96
Legend
Loyaler
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Brave_n_Crazy
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Whilst it is comforting to think that we can simply vote out someone responsible for this mess, fact is there may be some actual foul play involved here as far as the money laundering goes. The question is, when the dust settles, who will be entering the legalized US market? 'Cause this will definitely spur legalization in more areas.
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
In the last hour I have joined 2 FT tournies, real money, and logged into Stars.
All appears fine to me.
Since the web site domain names are what was seized, it may be moot. We do not play on the web sites, we play on VPN's. (Virtual private networks).
I think most of the money laundering charges will be easy to beat because the laws defining them (UEGIA) are unclear. If those laws were not there, alternate ways to process money would never have been needed.
But!, I am half afraid to close down either FT or Stars at the moment for fear I will never see either again.
All appears fine to me.
Since the web site domain names are what was seized, it may be moot. We do not play on the web sites, we play on VPN's. (Virtual private networks).
I think most of the money laundering charges will be easy to beat because the laws defining them (UEGIA) are unclear. If those laws were not there, alternate ways to process money would never have been needed.
But!, I am half afraid to close down either FT or Stars at the moment for fear I will never see either again.
arahel_jazz
Unbalanced and Committed
Silver Level
Yeah, I checked a few minutes later and I was able to get on and play FT $.
It will be interesting to see how the seizure of the domain names for the websites plays out.
If you are trying to access any fulltilt.com webpage (and see something), you are proablably looking at a local cached copy.
If you refresh your browser while holding the shift key down - "poof" you will be blocked.
My Promotions page - dead.
Cashier - comes up
Transfers - dead.
Bonus account link - comes up.
Withdrawl - fuggetaboutit.
Charade You Are
you can call me Frost
Silver Level
Probably not the best argument, but I had to get this off quick. Sent it to Obama and Attorney Holder:
As a voter, constituent, and poker player, I am writing to ask for your support in defending my right to play poker on the Internet.
I am one of the 10 million poker players in the U.S. and I resent your action against pokerstars, full tilt poker and Cereus. With all the REAL problems this country faces, you would think the DOJ would have something better to do than prevent me from enjoying a game of skill in the privacy of my own home.
Spending taxpayers money in this way is just another example of how misguided our government has become. You really think I should be prevented from entering a tourney for $1.20?
This action against the major poker sites needs to be dropped immediately.
I look forward to your response on this issue. I hope that I, along with my over one million fellow Poker Players Alliance members, can count on your support.
Thank you for your consideration.
As a voter, constituent, and poker player, I am writing to ask for your support in defending my right to play poker on the Internet.
I am one of the 10 million poker players in the U.S. and I resent your action against pokerstars, full tilt poker and Cereus. With all the REAL problems this country faces, you would think the DOJ would have something better to do than prevent me from enjoying a game of skill in the privacy of my own home.
Spending taxpayers money in this way is just another example of how misguided our government has become. You really think I should be prevented from entering a tourney for $1.20?
This action against the major poker sites needs to be dropped immediately.
I look forward to your response on this issue. I hope that I, along with my over one million fellow Poker Players Alliance members, can count on your support.
Thank you for your consideration.
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danmount
Rising Star
Bronze Level
This is the link from the US government website with the charges against all involved, looks pretty serious to me. Glad I withdrew the other day and just left a small amount. Will have to wait and see what happens but I'm guessing all US players will have now lost their funds.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf
Tammy
Can I help you?
Administrator
:congrats: Nicely done. We should all follow suit.
arahel_jazz
Unbalanced and Committed
Silver Level
What was Obama's campaign slogan? "Are you fired up? Ready to roll?"
That should now be the tactic PPA should take.
Start the email machine. Start here: http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/home/
alaskabill
Legend
Silver Level
I nearly puked when I saw this thread. From a selfish standpoint, I was in the middle of the best month of poker that I had ever had. Over a hundred dollars won in the last 7 or 8 days.
More importantly though is what it says about my country. Its ironic that this is happening the same day as the release of the Atlas Shrugged movie.
That whirring sound that you are hearing in the background is Ayn Rand spinning in her grave.
More importantly though is what it says about my country. Its ironic that this is happening the same day as the release of the Atlas Shrugged movie.
That whirring sound that you are hearing in the background is Ayn Rand spinning in her grave.
Poof
Made in the USA
Silver Level
I am on the east coast and Tilt is fine for me, Stars I can log in, but when I go to sit at a table I get the message that I cannot play for money.
I am also going to send the email posted on the last page, nicely done.
I am also going to send the email posted on the last page, nicely done.
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sh3poker
Rising Star
Silver Level
Any thoughts on where it is safe to deposit and play?
I am blocked from joining real money games on poker stars. That is only site I currently have bankroll with. Anyone have a suggestion of where it might be safe to deposit and play?
Thanks. Sarah
I am blocked from joining real money games on poker stars. That is only site I currently have bankroll with. Anyone have a suggestion of where it might be safe to deposit and play?
Thanks. Sarah