Is online poker a hard way to make an easy living?

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Can online poker still be beatable and profitable?
I started playing poker very late, and I didn't get to experience the golden age.

But today, if you want to become an online poker professional, you'll definitely have to study a lot more than you did at the beginning, but I still believe that you can be profitable if you put in the effort.

That's not my case, I never intended to become a professional, for me poker is just a way to pass the time.
 
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Nothing is easy in this world, but if you dedicate yourself a lot, work a lot, the results will come, poker is a game with variance but in the long term that disappears and you always win.
 
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As a somewhat "older player" (I will not share my exact age, even if my gray hair does! ;)) I remember the golden age of enormous poker fish tanks online. It seemed that poker was so easy to beat online. Playing NLH almost felt like printing money. And online Omaha was perhaps even easier to win.

Now as we near the end of 2024, I find myself wondering if there is still a way to beat this game. What do you think? Can online poker still be beatable and profitable?
You remembered the times when you could roll your face on the keyboard and still get sky-high profits :LOL:
Yes... every year the game is becoming more and more difficult, I think anyone who plays poker professionally won't argue with me. But you can still win, except that it's more difficult than before and not at all stable, not like in chess
 
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It can definitely be profitable, but I think you need to be really good at the game and I don’t think many players can achieve that. However it would be interesting to see the stats of most professional poker players and determine if it’s truly profitable in the long run.
 
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As a somewhat "older player" (I will not share my exact age, even if my gray hair does! ;)) I remember the golden age of enormous poker fish tanks online. It seemed that poker was so easy to beat online. Playing NLH almost felt like printing money. And online Omaha was perhaps even easier to win.

Now as we near the end of 2024, I find myself wondering if there is still a way to beat this game. What do you think? Can online poker still be beatable and profitable?
Well, if there are regulars who earn money exclusively from poker, then perhaps it can.
 
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Yes, it's a very difficult way nowadays. I also have played poker before black friday and it was way easier to win money. but even then I could not live from that money. Of course it depends of how much money do you need to live, some people are more frugal than others, but still was a very good extra money, specially because where I live $1 worth almost 6x our currency. And I used to play freerolls and micro/small stakes only.
I took a pause from poker for several years and came back to play during COVID pandemic and I've noticed that each year it's becoming more difficult to win money from poker for many reasons. I still think it's possible to become a professional player, but you need to work and study more than before.
 
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I think it would be possible to make a living if you are willing to put in the hours to learn and play the game. It definitely is NOT a get rich quick game plan
 
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Was not playing a lot of online during the so called "golden age of enormous poker fish tanks online" so cannot relate to the experience. However, the game has always been beatable. As for all games of chance, every dog has its lucky day. There's always a winner in a poker game.

High risks, high rewards. Do you want to take the risks to be profitable? You can only control oneself (knowledge of the game, discipline, bankroll management, & emotional stability) & yet will still not guarantee any profitability in the long term. Nevertheless, anything is possible.

Indeed, poker is a hard way to make an easy living!
 
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Poker can make you some side money but it will not pay all the bills. What can pay all the bills is having a sponsor. All athletes make more from their sponsors than what the sport pays them for competing. Poker is no different.
 
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Since the poker boom the player pool has gone South by 90%. Don’t know about low stakes, but from NL500 and beyond there are not many players. I don’t play at GG - not and option - so the only site which some times has action is pokerstars. The days where you could harvest from weak players at i.e. NL1000 are long gone. But it is still possible to beat these game. The difference is that you in 2024 will find it hard to win more than 6-10 BB hourly. I would not recommend you to go pro. Especially if you have a good and fullfilling job. And neither if you do not. Due to prejudice poker is still regarded as a somewhat shady occupation. When you quit playing pro, how do you think a curriculum vitae stating “former poker pro” looks. I would say it could be a showstopper. If you are young you should take a sound and solid education. There are quite a few other reasons why going pro is a very dubious path to pursue….
 
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A living from poker was given to only a few people.But to make a living from poker on the scissor... is almost impossible... If you just can't pull the brakes on time
 
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I think there are very few ways of easy living.
Playing poker online or live only looks like one, but it is with all things where money is involved, it's a tough and rough business.
You have to study very hard and have an enormous psychological pressure.
You have to meet all those nerds and sometimes strange, odd people.
It's a shark pool that is exponential harder than "normal" living, where you have the same problems mentioned above.
Easy living may only be if you are born with a golden spoon in mouth ( makes some things easier, not all), but even in this situation, life is not easy.
 
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Online poker can still be profitable if and only if you find your fish tank by "selecting" the tables you play and the buyins levels.
I heard it once from JLittle and I try to follow, when I'm not in a "no time to play" schedule, otherwise I play any game.
 
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All formats are harder nowadays due to lot of information about poker in social platforms
 
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It has become more difficult to win money in online poker. With freerolls and a solid strategy, it is still possible to win small amounts without risk.

Making a living from poker is extremely difficult. You have to be very capable of multitasking to play several tables at the same time, but the EV suffers greatly as a result.

At the lower levels, there are still a lot of bad players, but as soon as you get into regions where it could be lucrative, many regs and players from stables play and as an amateur it is only possible to survive against them with luck or a lot of skill.
 
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I am sorry to be the bearer of bad “news.”Luck does only apply in the short run at the higher stakes. Over time it means zilch. It’s all skills. You can take a shot at high stakes, but for your own sake don’t play with less than 100 buy-ins. Scared money is dead money. Any reg can smell “a live one” v e r y quickly. So if you play at i.e. NL1000 be sure to have minimum $100K on your account. Otherwise don’t bother.
It has become more difficult to win money in online poker. With freerolls and a solid strategy, it is still possible to win small amounts without risk.

Making a living from poker is extremely difficult. You have to be very capable of multitasking to play several tables at the same time, but the EV suffers greatly as a result.

At the lower levels, there are still a lot of bad players, but as soon as you get into regions where it could be lucrative, many regs and players from stables play and as an amateur it is only possible to survive against them with luck or a lot of skill.
 
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Poker can make you some side money but it will not pay all the bills. What can pay all the bills is having a sponsor. All athletes make more from their sponsors than what the sport pays them for competing. Poker is no different.
Can you expand on this. Which pros are making more from their sponsorships than they are from playing the game?

Most to all of the players that would be considered end bosses in any given game type aren't sponsored.


Lex and Daniel are lucky enough to not have morals so they are fine promoting rake traps so long as the check clears, most respectable poker pros gave up wanting to represent a site after Stars did the Super Nova pull.

Most athletes aren't sponsored at all or they have really small deals with equipment manufacturers. The average player in any league isn't making MJ money on their deal with Nike and only a very small few would make MORE from sponsorships than their contract.
 
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oh a very interesting topic!

In my opinion it is possible that online poker can be profitable but you have to work harder on your game set and your mind because villains are getting also better than ever. Nowadays it is easier to find content which brings you to the next step @poker-knowledge.
It isnt necessary to pay a lot of money on pokerbooks or a personal trainer if you have enough time and a lot of enthusiasm to learn pokerstuff ...
 
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poker is never an easy way to earn a living....maybe you get lucky win a big event etc...doesnt mean you will ever get lucky again...is a lot of people in all levels as good as winners of huge events....poker is a hard way to make a living....it always has been it always will be....but you can do it is easier occupations lol a lot easier
 
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hard since is a game of luck not skill, why people wish GL if Is a skill game
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In the early 2000s, online poker brought in good money even for micro-limit players. Gradually, the competition grew, but even today, tens of thousands of players around the world manage to earn money from poker.
 
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In the early 2000s, online poker brought in good money even for micro-limit players. Gradually, the competition grew, but even today, tens of thousands of players around the world manage to earn money from poker.
Alas, you are 100% wrong. Check Pokerscout. At peak hours all the sites in the world combined have only 30.000 online players. 90% are losing players. So there is in the ballpark of 3.000 winning players. Worldwide.
There are, of course, more tournament players. But max 6.000 winning players (probably less)
 
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As a somewhat "older player" (I will not share my exact age, even if my gray hair does! ;)) I remember the golden age of enormous poker fish tanks online. It seemed that poker was so easy to beat online. Playing NLH almost felt like printing money. And online Omaha was perhaps even easier to win.

Now as we near the end of 2024, I find myself wondering if there is still a way to beat this game. What do you think? Can online poker still be beatable and profitable?
Hi
Yes, it is definitely a difficult way to make money.
It is real, but it is quite difficult. Everything depends on you, but you have to be prepared to spend years of daily work to become a consistently profitable player.
Good luck :)
 
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For me or ass just a hobby and a way to earn sth more , a adult game . Not a way to earn a lot of money on monthly basis , to live from it . I guess this is possible for pros or very good regs . Anyone else will find it very hard to earn sth in online poker nowadays . Especially nowadays , the last decade poker online has become unbeatable for most I believe . No way the fish to keep on playing for long
 
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When I began playing poker online (2009) it took only a few months before I was able to be a 'winning player' (winning as in able to keep a +ROI%). This took a bit of studying at the time which was mostly reading some of the better books at the time, & joining some training sites to watch their videos (ie. Cardrunners, PokerSavvy Plus, PokerXfactor, Tournament Poker Edge, SitnGoGrinders (Glitr), DragTheBar... & at one point or another I had joined or received promo memberships to all of the sites I just listed). Back then you'd have A LOT of depositing recreational players who were not good at the game (but likely didn't realize it)... many from the USA. LOADS of folks were able to grind out a living playing online poker... some making a good go of it with a bunch moving on to becoming live high stakes pros after Black Friday (going through the lists of bigger events and you'll see many names that were very popular in the online lobbys back pre Black Friday.

Over time there has become a vast amount of information helping players to get better and to do so at a faster rate (if they choose to, if they work for it, if they access good info. & are disciplined & driven). BUT there's far less fish in the game. So it's like a school of sharks going after a bit of chum instead of a few barracuda swimming into a massive school of goldfish.

2024 Can online poker be profitable?

Micro stakes cash games - it is actually difficult to grind out much of a bankroll. It is possible but the rake is very high.
Low & Mid stakes - it seems possible but you get a higher & higher percentage of good players vs. recreational (weak players).

To gain a better perspective it's possible to watch some of the guys who are playing the different stakes and to see them doing it live (on 4 or 5 min. delay) on Twitch TV & Youtube. Currently the 'winningest' micro/low stakes player online streams fairly regularly and also offers up a course which is excellent value for the money (CashGame Hero) ... felt I needed to put a plug out there for him as I've gotten to know him a bit via his channel & site. (Scrimitzu). Another guy putting out fantastic content is Saulo Costa.

imo the tables above 25nl look tough, 200nl looks REAL tough to play. At certain times of the day, even the 10nl & 25nl tables are difficult (imo). Table selection, especially time of the day, day of the week and the actual poker site you're playing on all make a huge difference

Tournament Play online
These days in micro/low stakes you'll find 1,000's of players who are grinding very large volume... ie players from Ukraine, Belarus, Thailand, Chile, Russia, Argentina, and of course BRAZIL.... where winning while even at a lower winrate % are able to earn enough to provide a living for themselves. And you'll find less players from U.K., Canada, Germany, etc. There is definitely stiffer competion vs. 15 years ago.

BUT, tournament play still attracts the largest number of weaker players (< for lack of a better word) and if a person has the patience and emotional stability, this is the way to earn more money in my opinion. (hence the large numbers still in the tournament lobbys vs. cash game lobbys).

Competition gets stiffer as you move up in buyins, larger % of competent regulars vs. recreational (fun) players.

TLDR
As we near the end of 2024 I KNOW that online poker is still beatable, especially in tournament play. I know some folks who are able to make a living at it (while residing in Canada) & know of many others who are profiting from the game. You can also find players online who are beating the games while live streaming on Twitch TV (keeping their stats. available for viewers to follow so you can see exactly how much or how little they are winning or losing)
Kudos to you for such a thoughtful and well-written response! You really have crafted a perfect response (anyone wanting to know what a quality post looks like should reference this). And thanks for the shout out and referral to some people who are working hard to put out solid content.
 
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