Building from a baby bankroll

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Well, so far ive been only playing Low to High Buy In Spin & Go's in pokerstars..But yeah, biggest win was only 375$ while buy in was 15$...But i think building BR in pokerstars is harder than in some other poker site, because PokerStars has more experienced players.
 
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Very good topic! Let's go to the game!
 
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Everything as always is not easy.

I saw a lot of example getting a bankroll from scratch. But it was usually people who had long been playing poker. It seems to me that every newcomer must start to lose a couple of hundred dollars to understand the game. Or he should be a poker genius.
 
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Poker is like riding a bicycle when you learned it once you will always be able to:)
 
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Poker is like riding a bicycle when you learned it once you will always be able to:)

the problem is you can't never learn poker. There is always a place for improvement. And if you don't improve your skills regularly then than your opponents be ahead of you very soon.
 
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the problem is you can't never learn poker. There is always a place for improvement. And if you don't improve your skills regularly then than your opponents be ahead of you very soon.



that so true but if you once have a basic understanding you have a good base to start and increase your knowlegde
 
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Lots of good advice!

This thread has been very useful for me--I do play small MTTs mostly and free rolls at ACR with mixed success-- hard to stay in narrow variance-- lots of ups and downs--
 
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I've once turned $12 into $2700 and then proceeded to blow it all away. Bankroll management is so crutial, and it will in fact destroy your positivity and mindset if you're not consistent with your decision making and BRM.

This is so true! I also went from 11 to 6500 by placing first in a tournament. I then proceeded to blow 1500 and knew at that point I had to take a break, and withdraw my winnings. Being appreciative of winning an amount like that is so important.
 
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A good rule for bank roll management. Never have more than a small percentage in at any time. I prefer to play at 1 % of my total bankroll or less. I`m strictly a tournament player.

Poker pro Chris Ferguson used this strategy to first scratch a bankroll from freerolls then proceed to earning $10,000 in less than a year.

An online Pro whose name I don`t remember also used this strategy after making a $20.00 deposit. In 1 year he made $100,000 from that 20 bucks!
 
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Very helpful information. Respect the author!​
 
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Its a great post for the beginners ;) thanks alot ! I will come back to him again and again ;)
 
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bankroll

Yeah, figured it'd be a good idea to make them big and bold :p
ive been playing for a long while and still trying to figure out how to get things going from a small bankrol but keep getting my butt handed to me
 
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I liked each single word in this article an other good one that motivates me.
 
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In the extraction of money for the bankroll all the ways are good.
And I can do it from scratch. I hope.:)
 
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good in depth info for the tiny bankroll builders remember Rome wasn't built in a day
 
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Interesting thread and opening post. Thanks
 
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A whole year trying to build a bankroll and nothing came Down hands
 
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Now I'm playing only 0,02$ 990ppl at pokerstars and freeroll to get some fresh moneys to build my bankroll again...
Never Give Up!
 
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I have ignored all your advice.

Started off with 3 dollars poker stars gave it to me in a chest enter MTT for 2.20 won 2.26 so 6 cents..fail. enter another one but a bounty one did quite well knocked out about 7 people up to 12 dollers.

Start using my coins to enter a 2.2 doller tournament for free won 2nd try and entered and come in money winning 6 dollers in tournaments.

Now have around 18 play a spin and go for 25 cents won that double my money.

Still have around 18 dollers played a full ring cash game for 5 dollers won around 4 dollers . Then played a 6 max won around 3 dollers

I now have 26 dollers from 3 I got free.

I wonder I big I can build it or I quickly I lose it
 
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I saw a lot of example getting a bankroll from scratch. But it was usually people who had long been playing poker. It seems to me that every newcomer must start to lose a couple of hundred dollars to understand the game. Or he should be a poker genius.


Yep I agree. Good players at highest level can do it every one else it seems impossible
 
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I plan on learning sit-n-go

I plan on studying sit-n-go 9 man tournaments and use them to build my bankroll. I am going to use flopzilla to go over my hand history for each game and fix my leaks. I will than go to low stakes tournaments between $5-10 tournaments and build from there but my main way of building a bankroll will be with 9 mans. they are cheap and i what i learn there can be carried over to tournaments
 
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We get a lot of discussion on here around what to do when you're trying to build a bankroll from a small amount. Maybe you've just had a freeroll cash, maybe a friend's been kind enough to transfer you a small amount or maybe you've deposited in the past and you've only got a few bucks left. How do we take that amount and turn it into a real bankroll?

There are tips everywhere including here: Building a Bankroll from Nothing

What I've tried to do below is dump the bulk of my experience on the subject into one post. For those wondering about my credentials, I've been playing for the past couple of years on a roll built from freeroll cashes. I'll warn readers from the outset, I don't have any easy answers or shortcuts. But I think what's written here might be helpful in at least dispelling some of the myths and crazy ideas people have about undertaking this task and hopefully keep them on track while they're attempting it.

THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET

There's loads of discussion on this point - time after time people have asked "What's the BEST game to play with a bankroll of (insert tiny amount here)?"

The truth is there IS no answer to that question. Everybody's different and we all have different strengths and weaknesses as players. I might have built a roll playing nothing but small stakes limit mixed games. Does that mean it's going to work for you? Dear gawd no! That'd be suicide for most people, since most people don't have the first clue how to play mixed games.

That's an extreme example, I know. It should be obvious to most people that if they suck at mixed games then they shouldn't be putting any of their baby bankroll on a mixed game table.

But there's other advice that sounds more reasonable but can be just as dangerous. How often have we heard, for example, that limit hold 'em is a great way to build a bankroll because it doesn't carry the risk of losing your whole stack in one hand like NLHE does? I know there's more than one lesson in the Full Tilt Academy that suggests it and it sounds perfectly reasonable, but guess what? If you suck at LHE, slowly but surely (and maybe not even that slowly) you're still going to lose your roll.

My point is, there is no magic bullet. There's no one game where everybody who plays it surely but steadily builds a roll. Far and away the best game to play is the one that YOU are best at. That might be LHE, it might be STTs, it might be $2NL 6-max. It doesn't matter. What matters is that YOU play YOUR best game, not someone else's.

I have an exeption to this rule regarding certain games NOT to play, BTW, which I'll discuss in a minute. But for the moment, let's move on to...

PICK A GAME AND STICK TO IT

Once you've settled on your best game, I'm recommending that you stick to it and play nothing else. A lot of people talk about how they played STTs for a little while and had some small wins, then they tried LHE for a while then lost the rest of their bankroll playing HU cash games.

There's a couple of reasons I think you should play just one game. The first is that we want to leverage our skill as best we can. It makes sense that our skill advantage will be biggest when we're playing our best game. The second reason is that we'll learn more when we concentrate on just one game. If we skip from game to game to game we won't be improving much at any of them because we won't be playing them for long enough. If we stick to one game not only are we maximising our skill edge, we're also maximising our chances to get better at the game, increase our skill edge and build our roll.

There'll be time for dabbling in mixed games and learning new things later, after we've built a stable roll.

YOU HAVE TO GET LUCKY

This is the bit that's going to hurt for some people. Even when we stick to just playing our best game, we're STILL going to need to get lucky in order to build our roll. By definition we've probably got less than good BRM dictates we should have to play in the lowest stakes games. If you're starting off with enough for just one buy in obviously you'll need to get very lucky - you'll need to win in the first game you play in and then keep winning in quite a number after that so that you've got some breathing room.

Even if you start off with, say, 10 or more buy ins though you'll still need a bit of luck to avoid a downswing that wipes out your roll. They happen all the time to players with full size rolls and there's nothing that says it can't happen to us either.

What I'm saying is remember that luck plays a part. Pick your best game and play your best. If you still wind up busto, don't dwell on it or let it get you down. Just pick yourself up, start over and hope for a little more luck next time.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, STOP PLAYING MTTs!

Here's the bit where I'm going to contradict myself.

If I were to tell you I'd just made $10 from a freeroll and I was going to take it straight to a PLO cash game table to start trying to build a roll from it, how many people would think I was mad?

I think it might be more than a few. A select few of them will have prior knowledge of how much I suck at PLO. But others, even without that knowledge, would likely point out that the variance in PLO can be a killer and I'd be better off playing something with a more stable return. They'd probably be right too.

But here's the thing - a lot of those same people probably wouldn't bat an eyelid if I said I was going to take that $10 and play the Daily Dollar or something with it. Which is a funny thing, because as far as variance goes things don't really get much more swingy than multi-table tournaments. You certainly want a lot more than 20-30 buy ins to be rolled for them.

As discussed above, we already need to get very lucky to build a roll from nothing. We don't need to compound our problems by stacking variance against us - instead, we need to concentrate on games that offer us at least some chance of grinding a slow but steady path upwards. That usually means ring games or single-table SnGs and I'm recommending that, at least for the initial stages, you steer clear of MTTs and the horrible swings they bring. Even if you think they're your best game.

BE MILITANT AND CONSERVATIVE ABOUT BRM

In the beginning we're already going to be playing with bad BRM. There's not a lot we can do about it if we're not even rolled for the lowest stakes other than play our best and hope we run our roll up to a point where we ARE properly rolled for the level we're playing.

For that to happen though we have to be militant about the stakes we play. No playing in some random MTT or forum game or whatever, even as a one-off, unless we're rolled for it. Things like that are luxuries that we'll have later when we've built a stable roll.

We also need to be conservative with our bankroll. Most systems will tell you that if you've got 20-30 buy-ins for a given level you're rolled for it. I'm going to suggest you consider yourself "rolled" for a level when you've got 50 or more, that you don't move up in levels until you've got that much or more for the new level and that you move straight back down if you run bad at the new level. We worked hard to build that roll, we have to protect it as best we can from variance. Don't be ashamed of being a bankroll nit.

DON'T GET HUNG UP ON BONUSES

Free money is a beautiful thing. We all love it, and it's especially attractive when you don't have very much of it to start with.

Free money in the form of bonuses, however, usually comes with strings attached and those strings are almost always having to grind out x amount of frequent player points in real money games. Unlocked right, bonuses can be a fantastic way to pad your earnings and move your bankroll along faster. But done wrong they can send you hurtling backwards.

Take the recent Rush Week promo at Full Tilt. Anybody could participate, and to unlock the bronze level $10 bonus you had to grind out 10 FTPs a day on the Rush tables for seven days straight. Pretty sweet deal, right? Maybe, maybe not. If you're not rolled for the minimum $5NL that you'd need to play to earn the points, or if you're not any good at Rush, then taking this bonus on would be a terrible idea - chances are you'll end up losing more than you stood to win in bonuses and you might jeopardise your whole bankroll in the process.

The same goes for other things people consider doing to unlock other bonuses, like adding more tables than they're comfortable with to run points up faster or playing at higher stakes than they're rolled for. It's a slippery slope, I'm suggesting you just avoid it altogether.

As long as there's competition between online poker sites there'll be bonuses, so there's always another one somewhere around the corner. Stick with the plan, work through the bonuses that you can get safely by just and just playing your normal game at your normal limits and ignore the ones you can't get.

STOP TALKING AND START DOING
(OR "NOBODY ACTUALLY READS YOUR BLOG ANYWAY SO WHY STRESS YOURSELF")

Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We've all seen it - someone comes along on a board or starts a blog talking a whole lot about how they're going to build a roll from nothing or how they've got this freeroll cash and they're going to run it up and make loads of money. Some of the dedicated ones even give us day by day or game by game updates for a short period... until the inevitable post where they tell us they're busto either because they played bad, they didn't follow BRM, they had to withdraw all their money for some inane reason or, my personal favourite, the donks ate their bankroll.

Save yourself the time and embarassment by talking less and DOING more. Use the time to actually review your games, rather than telling the world about every single bad beat you ever get. Post actual problem hands for analysis and ask meaningful questions that might help you improve your game, rather than telling everyone about every tiny fluctuation in your bankroll.

You're also putting unnecessary pressure on yourself. Chances are somewhere in the back of your mind there's a though along the lines of "What will I be telling my readers after this session?" and that can have an adverse effect on your game. So stop talking and start doing instead.

That's it, for the moment at least. Run good y'all.

all good advise, be carefull of developing bad habits in freerolls.
 
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I can cash at MTT about once or twice a day, micro and freebuy and have built to a wooping 10.00 on BC. Having been through this before I find the more expensive cash MTT action signifigantly more challanging, but get tired of wining a torny of 1200 players for 4.58. Suggestions please! Should I tighten up a bit and play less agessive? How else do you play good hands? Should I try STT? To be clear I did read the above thread, stateing pretty clear it is hard to give advice so spacific, but I am thinking STT would give me a better chance at good table reads. I feel strong 3handed and ok 6handed.
 
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I think, there is no way to build your bankroll using only freerols 😂
 
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