IntenseHeat
Legend
Bronze Level
This question again, huh?
Poker is a game of skill. However, luck is and always will be a big part of the game. We have all heard someone say that a skilled player can play their cards in such a way as to make their opponent fold a superior hand. Likewise we've all had, or at least seen, A-A get cracked by J-6.
As far as I am concerned, luck is the cards that you are dealt. Skill is how you play them. I consider myself lucky whenever I am dealt a monster hand like aces. A poor player may see A-A and jam all-in and be lucky I if they get a call. On the other hand, they may have the table fold around and end up only picking up the blinds with pocket aces. A skilled player would know to raise enough to limit the number of players in the hand, to lessen the chances of someone getting lucky on them. A skilled player will then know when they should check or bet, and how to size their bets in order to extract maximum value out of their A-A.
Poker is a game of skill. However, luck is and always will be a big part of the game. We have all heard someone say that a skilled player can play their cards in such a way as to make their opponent fold a superior hand. Likewise we've all had, or at least seen, A-A get cracked by J-6.
As far as I am concerned, luck is the cards that you are dealt. Skill is how you play them. I consider myself lucky whenever I am dealt a monster hand like aces. A poor player may see A-A and jam all-in and be lucky I if they get a call. On the other hand, they may have the table fold around and end up only picking up the blinds with pocket aces. A skilled player would know to raise enough to limit the number of players in the hand, to lessen the chances of someone getting lucky on them. A skilled player will then know when they should check or bet, and how to size their bets in order to extract maximum value out of their A-A.
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sryImPro
Legend
Silver Level
hey poker players, let's put our egos aside, luck is the main factor in online poker and thats the fact. Thank you for this thread, it's really the interesting one. If i have an open debate, i will gladly put my arguments on the table 
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bredaman7
Enthusiast
Silver Level
LUCK and SKILL, ask poker tournament champions, does luck involve? definitely they will say yes! but still, you cannot depend only with luck, your strategy also matters.
Tournament: LUCK :70. SKILL and STRATEGY: 30
Cash Game: LUCK :30, SKILL and STRATEGY: 70
Tournament: LUCK :70. SKILL and STRATEGY: 30
Cash Game: LUCK :30, SKILL and STRATEGY: 70
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Bowman
Visionary
Silver Level
Sometimes a game of if they want you in the game or not. People gang up on people and I was in a chat the other day people were talking how they used to be dealers and would cheat for people.
PO has lot of members coming out of the closet, and I'm not talking about their sexuality. It's disgusting.
Better get luckier and more skillful because even then you still are behind.
PO has lot of members coming out of the closet, and I'm not talking about their sexuality. It's disgusting.
Better get luckier and more skillful because even then you still are behind.
LizRang
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Poker is a game of skill that has an element of luck. You have to lose to win.
Here's an article from a few days ago regarding a judge's ruling in Idaho that poker is a game of skill ...
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Idaho-gambling-law-lawsuit-260192981.html
I try to be open-minded ...but this ... I have a strong opinion and I know I am right.
Here's an article from a few days ago regarding a judge's ruling in Idaho that poker is a game of skill ...
http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Idaho-gambling-law-lawsuit-260192981.html
I try to be open-minded ...but this ... I have a strong opinion and I know I am right
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rifflemao
Pugs Not Drugs
Silver Level
tothbopo
Legend
Silver Level
If poker was pure luck it would not be interesting.
Skilled players are skilled because they know how to play.
Yes you cant control the cards but you can control what you use you chips for.
So if you play it the right way you decide if there is a good chance or a bad chance to win.
Skilled players are skilled because they know how to play.
Yes you cant control the cards but you can control what you use you chips for.
So if you play it the right way you decide if there is a good chance or a bad chance to win.
Faust
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I believe that "luck" is a big set defined by randomness, and the more we discover of that set/category (which makes skills arise) less decisions will be left to randomness. However i also believe that everything has a fractal "dimension"*, so our chances in poker rely on competition, how they are prepared against luck and compare it with your "preparation", see if it is better.
Anyways my point is that you cannot avoid luck (chance), but you can always expand your knowledge beyond so that you reduce what you leave to luck drastically (actually luck wouldn't be reduced since it goes to infinite, everything has a chaotic order, when you find out that skill has been expanded you find out that luck is actually bigger so you try to expand skill even more to reduce luck but you never accomplish your goal [that's why i said fractal dimension earlier]).
*Not sure if dimension would be the right word to use.
Anyways that's my understanding of the relationship luck-skill, definitely has a more general aspect than just poker, but perfectly applicable to it.
Anyways my point is that you cannot avoid luck (chance), but you can always expand your knowledge beyond so that you reduce what you leave to luck drastically (actually luck wouldn't be reduced since it goes to infinite, everything has a chaotic order, when you find out that skill has been expanded you find out that luck is actually bigger so you try to expand skill even more to reduce luck but you never accomplish your goal [that's why i said fractal dimension earlier]).
*Not sure if dimension would be the right word to use.
Anyways that's my understanding of the relationship luck-skill, definitely has a more general aspect than just poker, but perfectly applicable to it.
kolecgoclaw
Legend
Silver Level
so...
today i play nice tournament on 888poker
my hand 9j - stay only me and 1 guy
87t
he play allin (3k) i have 1,5k play all in too.
he show cards tt
turn a
river a
skills - luck maybe. eaven if u have skills u can easy loose.
thats it by
today i play nice tournament on 888poker
my hand 9j - stay only me and 1 guy
87t
he play allin (3k) i have 1,5k play all in too.
he show cards tt
turn a
river a
skills - luck maybe. eaven if u have skills u can easy loose.
thats it by
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
can also depend on the level of poker or buyin
i.e. freerolls and Micro rebuys then the luck factor will be alot higher
Whereas when you get to the higher buyins luck still plays apart and some poor players will occasionally run good but in the long run the better players skill level will outweigh the luck factor
i.e. freerolls and Micro rebuys then the luck factor will be alot higher
Whereas when you get to the higher buyins luck still plays apart and some poor players will occasionally run good but in the long run the better players skill level will outweigh the luck factor