*****NOVEMBER NARCOTICS POKER THREAD*****

[switch0723]

woah woah woah!! something really really really weird just happened to me. Basically i see a prime fish sitting at 50nl with a deep stack, so i insta sit fist pump ldo. I then proceed to get it in with k,9h on a 6h,7h,8x board vs a,8 and lose, sigh. Rebuy obv, then lose another stack with kk < 99 aipf, sigh. Succesfully managed to not tilt and jsut rebuy coz i rock, then lose with a,k vs 6,3 on a a,6,3 flop in 4 bet pot, sigh.

Then suddenly it hit me for the first time ever, how much money i was playing with. As a broke (in real life) uni bum, i suddenly realised that i had lost close to 200 bucks, which is like a lot to me. I then started to properly nit it up against the fish and let him run over me. So now im in a dilemma, since im now playing with scared money i think at 50nl, even though i don't want to be, i just am, so im thinking of moving down and playing something like 10nl or 10 buck sng's since my sharkscope garf goes up.

So help peeps, should i stay at 50nl or drop down to 10nl fr (even though i have no idea how to play full ring (a bit like other 10nlers )) or move to sng's.

gogogogogogo

p.s. should note that i am going to withdraw quite a large sum of money since i need it in real life, so i will only leave ~400-500 bucks online, which probably isn't best for 50nlHU, but meh, brm is boring.

(i will be taking a majority vote)

 

[zachvac]

Read the sticky in this section for info on the legal aspects. Honestly it looks more and more like they're going to have trouble enforcing it, and unless Obama appoints a DOJ that wants to enforce it really harshly they're saying it's possible nothing could happen. But the biggest thing we can hope for is that we get UIGEA on the list of midnight Bush shit the Dems will repeal. But there's still a long way to go in terms of getting it on the list because many Dems are against gambling because it "exploits the poor".

Basically no matter what poker is still legal here, that's even explicitly stated. It's just depositting that's a problem. No need to move to canada as that wouldn't solve anything. The problem would be lack of fish. If recreational fish don't deposit the bad regs don't win anymore. If they quit the good regs start losing and basically we've got the sharks from all countries but only the fish from Europe/Asia/non-US places with fish. This would be bad for the poker economy. So there's no danger (right now at least) of poker getting banned and for us not to be able to play. The danger is shortage of fish and decreased profitability. sne's no good if you lose $100k just to get the $100k in bonuses.

 

[bw07507]

woah woah woah!! something really really really weird just happened to me. Basically i see a prime fish sitting at 50nl with a deep stack, so i insta sit fist pump ldo. I then proceed to get it in with k,9h on a 6h,7h,8x board vs a,8 and lose, sigh. Rebuy obv, then lose another stack with kk < 99 aipf, sigh. Succesfully managed to not tilt and jsut rebuy coz i rock, then lose with a,k vs 6,3 on a a,6,3 flop in 4 bet pot, sigh.

Then suddenly it hit me for the first time ever, how much money i was playing with. As a broke (in real life) uni bum, i suddenly realised that i had lost close to 200 bucks, which is like a lot to me. I then started to properly nit it up against the fish and let him run over me. So now im in a dilemma, since im now playing with scared money i think at 50nl, even though i don't want to be, i just am, so im thinking of moving down and playing something like 10nl or 10 buck sng's since my sharkscope garf goes up.

So help peeps, should i stay at 50nl or drop down to 10nl fr (even though i have no idea how to play full ring (a bit like other 10nlers

)) or move to sng's.

gogogogogogo

p.s. should note that i am going to withdraw quite a large sum of money since i need it in real life, so i will only leave ~400-500 bucks online, which probably isn't best for 50nlHU, but meh, brm is boring.

(i will be taking a majority vote)

Unless you really need the money I'd vote keep it on and keep playing 50NL HU. I've never seen you play but from what I've read you are easily good enough to win at 50NL HU and you will make a ton more profit in the future than if u withdraw some now and go to 10NL or start playing S&Gs. If you are really keen on withdrawing, I guess I would suggest starting to play 10NL (6max maybe with your HU background?) and just grind it out and move up the stakes from 10NL at whatever game you choose.

 

[eNTy]

Enty, terrible bet sizing pre-flop there.

Well you really can't complain if you're minraising your aces. This should be a raise to $2 or $2.50, not .75.

entYy raises $.75.

I think you guys are confused by Everest hand history.
It says raises 75c, not raises to 75c. It means that when the OR raised to 35c, I reraised to $1.10 (35c + 75c).

Does it have to be more than $1.10, I admit I failed to notice the caller behind and was thinking he (turned out to be they) wouldn't call much more.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Does it have to be more than $1.10, I admit I failed to notice the caller behind and was thinking he (turned out to be they) wouldn't call much more.

if you really want villains to call you, it's very easy, just give them great odds (direct of implied).

What you really want is not that they call or fold. What you want is that they make a mistake, i.e. call you with bad odds or fold with good odds. That's how you make profit in the long run. And since it's very unlikely that they fold when you raise too little, your only real route to long term profit is that they call when you raise big. So you have to raise big and hope that they make a -EV decision. If they fold, so much the better for them, but at least you have to give them the opportunity to make a mistake.

Also, you EV is better when you raise big and they fold then when you raise small and they call with correct odds. That's the definition of correct odds...

 

[switch0723]

Unless you really need the money I'd vote keep it on and keep playing 50NL HU. I've never seen you play but from what I've read you are easily good enough to win at 50NL HU and you will make a ton more profit in the future than if u withdraw some now and go to 10NL or start playing S&Gs. If you are really keen on withdrawing, I guess I would suggest starting to play 10NL (6max maybe with your HU background?) and just grind it out and move up the stakes from 10NL at whatever game you choose.

I will defo be withdrawing some money, but i can easily leave like 500 or something in my account to leave myself kinda rolled for 50nl, ill just have to hope i run goot to start with. But afai can tell, this is a decision for 50nlhu, excellent choice sir, guy after my own heart

 

[Jagsti]

Ohhhh f'kin beautiful....... my HEM seems to be busto imfo!!!

 

[tenbob]

I mean for fcuks sake. Every time I get a fish in he has the top of his range. This guy sits with $20 and continued to stack me. KK<K10, AA<K2 then this hand. FFS. Against anyone else I c/c the river.


poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+1: $107.40 (107.4 bb)
MP1: $108.50 (108.5 bb)
MP2: $100 (100 bb)
MP3: $122.20 (122.2 bb)
CO: $101.80 (101.8 bb)
BTN: $156 (156 bb)
SB: $99 (99 bb)
Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $53.50 (53.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9

6

2 folds, MP1 raises to $3, 5 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) J

7

T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($6.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP1 raises to $11, Hero raises to $22, MP1 calls $11

River: ($50.50) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $29, MP1 raises to $83.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $46 and is all-in

Results: $200.50 pot ($3 rake)
MP1 showed 4

K

(a flush, King high) and won $197.50 ($97.50 net)
Hero mucked 9

6

(a straight, Seven to Jack) and lost (-$100 net)

 

[Jagsti]

Switch - 10 buy ins for HU is like asking for f'kin trouble. Do what your comfortable with m8, Your easily good enough for 50nl, but variance in HU is colossal. My motto.... 'Patience dude'.....but I'm a boring T**T!!!

 

[eNTy]

matinho13 is at seat 0 with $5.03.
onkel_s is at seat 1 with $10.
rebecchi74 is at seat 2 with $2.57.
vanart is at seat 3 with $9.80.
nicosyougo is at seat 4 with $9.45.
Salesz is at seat 5 with $7.15.
pussyx is at seat 6 with $1.95.
Icebreaker77 is at seat 7 with $20.51.
entYy is at seat 8 with $9.45.
fjodor2911 is at seat 9 with $31.69.

(entYy is dealt Ac Ad.)

Pre-flop:
Icebreaker77 folds.
entYy raises $.35.
fjodor2911 folds.
matinho13 calls for $.45.
onkel_s calls for $.35.
rebecchi74 folds.
vanart calls for $.45.
nicosyougo folds.
Salesz folds.
pussyx folds.

The flop comes
Qs 10d Jc.

entYy bets $1.
matinho13 calls for $1.
onkel_s folds.
vanart calls for $1.

The turn comes 7h.

entYy bets $4.
matinho13 goes all-in for $3.58.
vanart goes all-in for $8.35.
entYy goes all-in for $4.
$.35 is pushed back to vanart.

The river comes 9c.

vanart shows: Kd Qc
Kd Qs Jc 10d 9c
Straight, King high

entYy shows: Ac Ad
Ac Ad Qs Jc 10d
A pair of Aces

matinho13 shows: Kc Jd
Kc Qs Jc 10d 9c
Straight, King high

vanart splits pot 1 ($7.45 of $14.90).
matinho13 splits pot 1 ($7.45 of $14.90).
vanart wins pot 2 ($8.41).

Another beauty... Any advice on this one, or was it actually just unlucky for once
The turn bet is $4 in $4.20 pot, flop is similar but with $1.

 

[tenbob]

Over 5K hands before i win a nl$100 stack.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $131.65 (131.7 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $133.45 (133.5 bb)
BB: $109.55 (109.6 bb)
MP1: $19.50 (19.5 bb)
MP2: $77.50 (77.5 bb)
Hero (MP3): $100 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 3

3

2 folds, Hero calls $1, CO folds, BTN raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) T

T

9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($25.50) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $19, Hero raises to $88 and is all-in, BTN calls $69 and is all-in

River: ($201.50) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $201.50 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 3

3

(a full house, Threes full of Tens) and won $198.50 ($98.50 net)
BTN mucked 5

6

(a flush, Ten high) and lost (-$100 net)

 

[switch0723]

Switch - 10 buy ins for HU is like asking for f'kin trouble. Do what your comfortable with m8, Your easily good enough for 50nl, but variance in HU is colossal. My motto.... 'Patience dude'.....but I'm a boring T**T!!!

not what i wanted to hear, why oh why would you say that, need to keep that sorta crap to yourself

 

[Debi]

Read the sticky in this section for info on the legal aspects. Honestly it looks more and more like they're going to have trouble enforcing it, and unless Obama appoints a DOJ that wants to enforce it really harshly they're saying it's possible nothing could happen. But the biggest thing we can hope for is that we get UIGEA on the list of midnight Bush shit the Dems will repeal. But there's still a long way to go in terms of getting it on the list because many Dems are against gambling because it "exploits the poor".

Basically no matter what poker is still legal here, that's even explicitly stated. It's just depositting that's a problem. No need to move to Canada as that wouldn't solve anything. The problem would be lack of fish. If recreational fish don't deposit the bad regs don't win anymore. If they quit the good regs start losing and basically we've got the sharks from all countries but only the fish from Europe/Asia/non-US places with fish. This would be bad for the poker economy. So there's no danger (right now at least) of poker getting banned and for us not to be able to play. The danger is shortage of fish and decreased profitability. sne's no good if you lose $100k just to get the $100k in bonuses.

Is this posted in the wrong thread?

 

[zachvac]

Is this posted in the wrong thread?

No, it's in response to Jagsti's question about sne with the new legal changes.

 

[Debi]

Oh, okay - carry on then lol.

 

[Jagsti]

The problem would be lack of fish. If recreational fish don't deposit the bad regs don't win anymore. If they quit the good regs start losing and basically we've got the sharks from all countries but only the fish from Europe/Asia/non-US places with fish. This would be bad for the poker economy. So there's no danger (right now at least) of poker getting banned and for us not to be able to play. The danger is shortage of fish and decreased profitability. sne's no good if you lose $100k just to get the $100k in bonuses.

Yeah that would be devastating I think. Don't wanna have to move from Stars. Party would be an ok fall back, but there software is shit.

 

[switch0723]

psh, super standard is my ability to win a fecking stack


Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BB): $53.50 (107 bb)
SB: $45.85 (91.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with T

J

SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1) 9

8

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $2, Hero raises to $6.50, SB raises to $45.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $38.85

Turn: ($91.70) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($91.70) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $91.70 pot ($0.50 rake)
SB showed 9

Q

(a full house, Queens full of Nines) and won $91.20 ($45.35 net)
Hero mucked T

J

(a straight, Eight to Queen) and lost (-$45.85 net)

4th hand of a session always good, i'm defo withdrawing monies, i might move to hu sng's for a bit, just for a change instead, like the 6.50 turbos i played a ton of in the past, just so that i can plug the massive hole in the pocket of my bankroll

 

[switch0723]

[ ] slowplaying is ever the best option


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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $6.25 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): 1,850 (92.5 bb)
BB: 1,150 (57.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

5

Hero raises to 60, BB raises to 100, Hero calls 40

Flop: (200) 5

A

Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 160, BB calls 160

Turn: (520) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (520) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results: 520 pot
BB showed A

Q

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and won 520 (260 net)
Hero mucked A

5

(two pairs, Aces and Fives) and lost (-260 net)



hu sng's are def the way forward for the time being, thanks to the guys who offered help and suggestions, once i sort my life out, ill probably re deposit enough in december to get back to 50hunl. Although i have started by going 0-3 in coin flips, but still went 1-1 in tournys coz i rock

 

[zachvac]

Yeah that would be devastating I think. Don't wanna have to move from Stars. Party would be an ok fall back, but there software is shit.

But Party has Euro fish and Euro sharks (and Asia/other countries). If this passed and was enforced (I still say this is our best hope, Obama's appointee won't have this as a top priority even if they don't overturn it), Party would have US sharks but no US fish. Right now US sharks just play on Full Tilt/Stars/wherever else. If it's banned anyone really good at poker and making 6 figures (most full-time 200nl regs that play for a living) will most likely move. No fish will move to donate money to poker lol.

 

[ChuckTs]

Let's all pool our bankrolls and make the ultimate poker site that accepts everyone. We'll base it on the moon.

 

[Irexes]

Off for a weekend of golf and drinking in Nottingham tomorrow, then Monday-Thursday I'm at a conference in lovely Birmingham.

See y'all soon and stuff

 

[blankoblanco]

siiigh, i'm running so bad. i've won 2 all-ins in my last like 20 guess this is why i should play more cash. i can generally win there without depending on actually HOLDING VS. 2 OUTERS

drink drink drink

 

[Richyl2008]

HaHa!

***** Hand History for Game 22023470242 *****
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 14, 01:06:37 ET 2008
Table Hyakutake (real money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: SHREK 42460 ( $39.15 USD )
Seat 2: muck__you123 ( $25.00 USD )
Seat 3: silvernick ( $13.60 USD )
Seat 4: sokrispy99 ( $34.00 USD )
Seat 5: sxfactor ( $55.90 USD )
Seat 6: Ravikas ( $26.10 USD )
Ravikas posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
SHREK 42460 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to muck__you123 [ Kc Ac ]
muck__you123 raises [$0.75 USD]
silvernick calls [$0.75 USD]
sokrispy99 folds
sxfactor folds
Ravikas folds
SHREK 42460 raises [$1.75 USD]
muck__you123 calls [$1.25 USD]
silvernick calls [$1.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 5d, Ah ]
SHREK 42460 checks
muck__you123 bets [$2.75 USD]
silvernick calls [$2.75 USD]
SHREK 42460 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
muck__you123 bets [$3.50 USD]
silvernick calls [$3.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
muck__you123 bets [$5.75 USD]
silvernick calls [$5.35 USD]
muck__you123 shows [Kc, Ac ]
muck__you123 wins $27.90 USD from main pot
silvernick doesn't show [3c, 3s ]
muck__you123 wins $0.40 USD from main pot

 

[blankoblanco]

3 high no good? wow!

 

[BelgoSuisse]

3 high no good? wow!

well, it's not like the guy is always bad here. I mean, there's plenty of cards he ties with, like 32 and 33 and ... well, that's it I guess.