zachvac
Legend
Silver Level
Depends what rate you get the bonus. Basically 5400 fpps to enter, winner gets a ticket to the million which can be sold for $214.
214 * percentage to cash / 5400
would be dollars/fpp. At the best cash bonus it's 1.6c/fpp (I think concierge's around there too).
.016 = 214p/5400
86.4 = 214p
p = .4037
If you are of average skill you will cash in 40%. Trust me you're better than the average player in those. Thus to make it worth your while your edge only needs to bump it to 40.37% and if you get the lower bonuses (anything but the 4k cash bonus) you're getting a worse deal than 1.6c/fpp.
More reasonable I'd say is 45% cash rate which gives:
.45*214/5400 = .0178 = 1.78c/fpp which is much better than any cash bonus. Just gotta put up with the variance, kinda sucks when you're going through a downswing and on top of it lose like 4-5 straight 5400's. But they're offset by the times you cash in 4-5 in a row
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BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
sharkscope considers those as $0 buy-in but $215 cash-out when you win a ticket, right? Free moneyzzzz ...
BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
More importantly, why oh why are you loosing money with AK ???????
Seriously, either your sample is tiny or there's a real leak there. AK is supposed to be a major money maker.
zachvac
Legend
Silver Level
Sharkscope considers those as $0 buy-in but $215 cash-out when you win a ticket, right? Free moneyzzzz ...
Hence the graph that starts to go straight up
. Played a few actual sngs, and even won $216 last night in a $4.40 180-man sng (plus $5 from KC for lasting longer, but ss doesn't show that ), but in general I play about a 5400 a day or so and rarely play sngs.
B
bustme
Rock Star
Silver Level
LOLS those hands of mine are entertaining ::::::::::::::::::
poker stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $130.25
MP: $200.55
CO: $103.50
BTN: $74.90
SB: $117.80
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 4
A
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, SB raises to $5, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $11, SB calls $7
Flop: ($36.00) J
9
4
(3 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $30, UTG calls $30, SB folds
Turn: ($106.00) 8
(2 players)
Hero bets $58 all in, UTG calls $58
River: ($222.00) T
(2 players - 1 is all in)
He had A 6 of diamonds and won
Another hand :
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BTN: $530.85
SB: $172.35
Hero (BB): $100.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K
9
BTN raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, BTN calls $5
Flop: ($18.50) 8
5
6
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($18.50) 3
(2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $27, Hero raises to $91 all in, BTN folds
Hero collected $71.50 from pot
poker stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $130.25
MP: $200.55
CO: $103.50
BTN: $74.90
SB: $117.80
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 4
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, SB raises to $5, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $11, SB calls $7
Flop: ($36.00) J
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $30, UTG calls $30, SB folds
Turn: ($106.00) 8
Hero bets $58 all in, UTG calls $58
River: ($222.00) T
He had A 6 of diamonds and won
Another hand :
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BTN: $530.85
SB: $172.35
Hero (BB): $100.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with K
BTN raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, BTN calls $5
Flop: ($18.50) 8
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($18.50) 3
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $27, Hero raises to $91 all in, BTN folds
Hero collected $71.50 from pot
BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
you should post a few of those in HA. It's a big thing.
and for cbetting, read zach's 5k post and watch cottonseed's video on stox.
KingCurtis
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks I have read zachs but I dont have a membership at stox.....I still have a lot to learn about cash games which is why IM starting at 10nl
vanquish
Legend
Silver Level
It means you got a walk with KK.
BelgoSuisse
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks I have read zachs but I dont have a membership at stox.....I still have a lot to learn about cash games which is why IM starting at 10nl
that video is free iirc.
dsvw56
I'm a Taurus
Silver Level
Yes, it is. You can stream or download it here, direct link to the video :
stoxpoker.com | Collection of poker blogs and poker strategy from online poker pros
troyer16
Rock Star
Silver Level
KingCurtis
Legend
Silver Level
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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
lol at how this hand turns out
also is folding the 2nd hand really really poor even if the raiser is really nitty and has hardly raised from 4 handed to now
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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $6.50 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: 1,155 (7.7 bb)
BTN: 3,150 (21 bb)
SB: 785 (5.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 2,960 (19.7 bb)
MP: 950 (6.3 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9
9
MP raises to 950 and is all-in, CO raises to 1,155 and is all-in, BTN folds, SB calls 710 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,005
Flop: (4,045) 8
9
6
(4 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (4,045) 5
(4 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (4,045) 5
(4 players, 3 are all-in)
Results: 4,045 pot
Hero showed 9
9
(a full house, Nines full of Fives) and won 4,045 (2,890 net)
CO showed 8
8
(a full house, Eights full of Fives) and lost (-1,155 net)
MP showed A
7
(a flush, Ace high) and lost (-950 net)
SB showed 5
K
(three of a kind, Fives) and lost (-785 net)
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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $6.50 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 3 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BB): 3,645 (36.5 bb)
BTN: 2,310 (23.1 bb)
SB: 3,045 (30.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A
9
BTN raises to 300, 2 folds
Results: 250 pot
BTN mucked and won 250 (150 net)
also is folding the 2nd hand really really poor even if the raiser is really nitty and has hardly raised from 4 handed to now
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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $6.50 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: 1,155 (7.7 bb)
BTN: 3,150 (21 bb)
SB: 785 (5.2 bb)
Hero (BB): 2,960 (19.7 bb)
MP: 950 (6.3 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9
MP raises to 950 and is all-in, CO raises to 1,155 and is all-in, BTN folds, SB calls 710 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,005
Flop: (4,045) 8
Turn: (4,045) 5
River: (4,045) 5
Results: 4,045 pot
Hero showed 9
CO showed 8
MP showed A
SB showed 5
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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $6.50 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 3 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BB): 3,645 (36.5 bb)
BTN: 2,310 (23.1 bb)
SB: 3,045 (30.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A
BTN raises to 300, 2 folds
Results: 250 pot
BTN mucked and won 250 (150 net)
Dorkus Malorkus
HELLO INTERNET
Silver Level
nah i like it. stacks make it very awkward - calling is horrible, reraising for near enough half our stack is horrible, shoving seems excessive and we will only be called when crushed in most cases (which will be quite often if btn is nitty). with a nitty guy to our left and healthy stacks we can just happily keep raising our button and sb without needing to get involved here.
i very rarely resteal in $6Ts because people will call 3-bets surprisingly often. seriously it's like a circuit in the brain of many otherwise decent SNG players just shuts down when they get 3-bet. example (not the best example but it's the first one from today i found).
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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $6.50 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BB): 4,950 (8.3 bb)
SB: 8,550 (14.3 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with T
SB raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 4,900 and is all-in, SB calls 3,700
Flop: (9,900) 8
Turn: (9,900) Q
River: (9,900) K
Results:[spoil] 9,900 pot
Hero showed T
SB showed 8
[/spoil]
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blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
brag: last night/early morning full tilt made a mistake with one of their full tilt point satellites. it was a 600 point 6-man sng to get into a 3500 point satty, but by some bug, it ended up giving out 2 seats instead of ones (and 100 points for 3rd). meaning the prizepool was 7,100 points, even though the total amount contributed by the players was 3,600 points. each time you won a seat, you could just unregister and take the points. i grinded the hell out of these until full tilt realized the error and fixed them this morning... made 70k points, weeeee
c9h13no3
Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
You gotta keep in mind that you can clear bonus while playing other games. So while it may give you more return on your points to play satty's, you are spending time playing satty's when you could be playing like 24 tables of full ring.Depends what rate you get the bonus. Basically 5400 fpps to enter, winner gets a ticket to the million which can be sold for $214.
214 * percentage to cash / 5400
would be dollars/fpp. At the best cash bonus it's 1.6c/fpp (I think concierge's around there too).
.016 = 214p/5400
86.4 = 214p
p = .4037
If you are of average skill you will cash in 40%. Trust me you're better than the average player in those. Thus to make it worth your while your edge only needs to bump it to 40.37% and if you get the lower bonuses (anything but the 4k cash bonus) you're getting a worse deal than 1.6c/fpp.
More reasonable I'd say is 45% cash rate which gives:
.45*214/5400 = .0178 = 1.78c/fpp which is much better than any cash bonus. Just gotta put up with the variance, kinda sucks when you're going through a downswing and on top of it lose like 4-5 straight 5400's. But they're offset by the times you cash in 4-5 in a row
ChuckTs
Legend
Silver Level
So that's like a t-shirt in their store?