****July Poker Chat Thread****

[eNTy]

lol weird site

 

[c9h13no3]

Atlantic City...anyone? I went to the Borgata before and played very scared money at 300nl. What about the Taj or something?

I'm planning to go in August sometime to play the 10/20 OE game at the Borgata. I could be convinced to go earlier though.

 

[zachvac]

Flat more in position, imo.

And about durrrr, TR is obviously not able to compile relevant stats for 100000nl. But for lower stakes, i think they have enough data to give pretty good estimates on how the really good tag play.

meh I still think it suffers from the same flaws that aiming for certain stats do. I could play a perfect game in TR's eyes and be absolutely terrible and could probably play a pretty unconventional style and TR would say it was really bad and win. While I'm flattered that TR approves of my game, I'm not going to change my game because of what some report said. I'm actually fairly confident I could have a very good winrate open limp a ton and have considered doing a prop bet just not sure who'd take action and the biggest problem would be I wouldn't be able to 16-table because I'd have to pay more attention to first off the actual action and second off how people are responding to my limping. I just think way too many people get caught up in the one right way to play instead of thinking about playing actual poker and why we do things and exploiting opponents. But whatever, if TR fish want to believe that the key to winning more is them playing looser, tighter, more aggressive, or less aggressive, go TR .

 

[Mase31683]

I enjoyed this:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-grader/durrrr

 

[KingCurtis]

Atlantic City...anyone? I went to the Borgata before and played very scared money at 300nl. What about the Taj or something?

Borgata 200nl is easy money...have fun I don;t think I can come to AC anytime soon although it's so close!

 

[jdeliverer]

I enjoyed this:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-grader/durrrr

RIVER AGGRESSION:
You are 47% more aggressive than optimal. Be a lot less aggressive!

lol L2P durrrr

 

[bw07507]

Lol, i really get no respect

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $188.30 (188.3 bb)
MP: $24.70 (24.7 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $68.95 (69 bb)
Hero (SB): $110.20 (110.2 bb)
BB: $89.85 (89.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with T

T

UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BTN calls $12.50

Flop: ($36.50) T

6

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $22, BTN calls $22

Turn: ($80.50) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $47.50, BTN calls $30.95 and is all-in

River: ($142.40) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $142.40 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed T

T

(three of a kind, Tens) and won $139.40 ($70.45 net)
BTN showed A

Q

(high card Ace) and lost (-$68.95 net)

 

[eNTy]

i wouldnt give u respect either..
but then again i relied heavily on my suckout skills vs u

 

[The Shrog]

Even though there's the new changes to Stars where players can opt not to show their hole cards (which I'm assuming many will), I think FTP appeals to me for AI's. I really didn't like getting it in PF or OTF at Stars and having to wait til the river to see what I was up against. +1 for FTP.

 

[eNTy]

who cares anyway, its such a marginal thing, ur going to see it at showdown anyway

 

[bw07507]

nice flopski

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $43.90 (43.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $119.25 (119.3 bb)
BB: $141.45 (141.5 bb)
UTG: $124.25 (124.3 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $101.50 (101.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 9

T

UTG raises to $3.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $13, BB folds, UTG calls $9.50

Flop: ($27) 9

T

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $30, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($87) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $81.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $76.25 and is all-in

River: ($239.50) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $239.50 pot ($3 rake)
UTG showed J

A

(a pair of Nines) and lost (-$119.25 net)
Hero showed 9

T

(a full house, Nines full of Tens) and won $236.50 ($117.25 net)

 

[The Shrog]

who cares anyway, its such a marginal thing, ur going to see it at showdown anyway

Just saying I like it.

 

[switch0723]

ye i much prefer shoving getting it all in pre with a,k and seeing im up against aces before fist pumping an ace high flop

 

[eNTy]

yeah ok, it has a small mental bonus that you dont get ur heart stomped on at river but right after you get it in but still

oh and bw, bad run over yah ?!

 

[bw07507]

oh and bw, bad run over yah ?!

Well, I lost money in May and June (not counting rakeback). So far im up in July so things are looking better

 

[eNTy]

good to hear, getting depressed over poker is not fun

btw: what fun newish videogame(s) should i get ?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

that makes me believe that they have some holes in there system ldo

Or that the entire idea is inherently faulty.

However, I am also impressed at Zach's report card.

 

[jdeliverer]

Even though there's the new changes to Stars where players can opt not to show their hole cards (which I'm assuming many will), I think FTP appeals to me for AI's. I really didn't like getting it in PF or OTF at Stars and having to wait til the river to see what I was up against. +1 for FTP.

You can't opt to not show your cards. You can only choose whether or not to view others'.

 

[The Shrog]

You can't opt to not show your cards. You can only choose whether or not to view others'.

oh....maybe I misunderstood.

 

[jdeliverer]

Why do I doubt this?

PREPARED FOR:
zachvac
This report card is based on 13 hands tracked at $0.01/$0.02 CAP NL Hold'Em (6 max) on full tilt poker by PokerTableRatings.com


RAKEBACK EARNINGS:
You would have earned $1,925.74 if you had PokerTableRatings.com Rakeback!

$1,925.74

 

[cAPSLOCK]

meh I still think it suffers from the same flaws that aiming for certain stats do. I could play a perfect game in TR's eyes and be absolutely terrible and could probably play a pretty unconventional style and TR would say it was really bad and win. While I'm flattered that TR approves of my game, I'm not going to change my game because of what some report said. I'm actually fairly confident I could have a very good winrate open limp a ton and have considered doing a prop bet just not sure who'd take action and the biggest problem would be I wouldn't be able to 16-table because I'd have to pay more attention to first off the actual action and second off how people are responding to my limping. I just think way too many people get caught up in the one right way to play instead of thinking about playing actual poker and why we do things and exploiting opponents. But whatever, if TR fish want to believe that the key to winning more is them playing looser, tighter, more aggressive, or less aggressive, go TR .

This is it. ^^^

If there is ONE casino game the Ludic Fallacy applies to it is poker. There are far too many variables involved for chaos not to play a significant part.

Therefore the "right way to play" is too situational to be defined by a fairly simple statistical means.

In fact, I would suggest that only the massive amounts of hands played by the online multitabling player gives us the oppourtunity for the "playable perfect game".

I did an experiment (for myself) at PLO8. I played ~2500 hands very selectively (20%ish @6max), and ~2500 hands where I would limp every single one. (I was allowed to fold after limping, but tended to see flops ~80%). The winrates were comparable. In fact I won more in my latter play. Obviously this was a small sample, at low stakes in a game that is less black and white than NLHE but it was intersting to me.

I told a friend that online poker is starting to look like the Brittish army in the time of the American revolutionart war. March march FIRE! March march FIRE! (Except it would be lots more marching).

I think there is a reason beyond the skill level of the field that many great players are divergent from the "norm".

BWDIK?

 

[blankoblanco]

gosh darnit, i'm going to get an A+ on PTR if it costs me all the money i have!!!!!!!!!

 

[S93]

ye i much prefer shoving getting it all in pre with a,k and seeing im up against aces before fist pumping an ace high flop

Yeah nothing suckier then getting all in prf with AK see a AKK or KKJ board fistpump and then beeing up against AA or JJ

 

[jdeliverer]

PokerStars No-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2,000,000 NL (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5,372,500)
Hero (SB) ($4,100,000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8c, 6h, 7h, 10h
Hero calls $10000, 1 fold

Total pot: $40000 | Rake: $0


I think I can beat this level.

 

[zachvac]

I told a friend that online poker is starting to look like the Brittish army in the time of the American revolutionart war. March march FIRE! March march FIRE! (Except it would be lots more marching).

Bingo. I still remember when everyone was like eww minraising sucks who would ever do that and now that they see people are able to be successful exclusively minraising some people have worked it into their games. There are also a ton of other spots where in general people think too much about what is the right play rather than why. The ones who make the money are the ones able to exploit what others are doing, not the ones who can follow a formula down to a T.