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63burner
Visionary
Bronze Level
google: "It is likely that only around 30% of poker players are winners over the long term. And only about 10% are significant winners (i.e. make a meaningful side income or can consider going pro)" MY THOUGHTS: 30% is a pretty high winning average. I also wonder if they broke down into: single table games, heads-up and MTT tournaments.
I'm on a current bad run, so I'm making up for all the big winners, bringing it back to the mean, the norm.
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I'm on a current bad run, so I'm making up for all the big winners, bringing it back to the mean, the norm.
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danricepoker
Enthusiast
Silver Level
7 years poker pro + coach here. Yes, 1 in 18 roughly make more than break even!
But, as with anything, getting to the top 5% is not that hard. Standards are low from the population (the lowest ever in human history perhaps)
If you regularly go to the gym 3 times per week, you are in the top 5% of people exercising in the world, roughly. Similar i'd say with poker
Top 1% is a different story, but also not too tough with good guidance! Nobody has that 😅
But, as with anything, getting to the top 5% is not that hard. Standards are low from the population (the lowest ever in human history perhaps)
If you regularly go to the gym 3 times per week, you are in the top 5% of people exercising in the world, roughly. Similar i'd say with poker
Top 1% is a different story, but also not too tough with good guidance! Nobody has that 😅
Chebchoub
Poker is one of life's mysteries
Loyaler
Hello
Poker is like other games, there is no difference, as there is always a winner and a loser. In my opinion, I believe that everyone who reached the paid seats has won, even if he did not win anything much, but he won by having fun and gaining experience.
Even with regard to cash games, if someone keeps his money and does not win anything, that is okay. He can win another time.
Poker is an adventurous game. Whoever wants to take a risk can do so, and whoever wants to play with discipline, the profit is often greater than the loss.
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Colbefc
Legend
Loyaler
As I have been playing poker for over 50 years now I would say that it's probably more
like 99% of players are losers.
Years ago there was good rakeback to be had, I was a prop player for a couple of years getting
120% rakeback on a couple of sites.
I remember on the Cryptologic network you could earn $100 bonus a month easily by playing regularly ,
these days bonuses are useless to the average player and rakeback is like the brain of the average Trump
supporter, practically nonexistent.
I think there are very few people who actually make money playing poker.
like 99% of players are losers.
Years ago there was good rakeback to be had, I was a prop player for a couple of years getting
120% rakeback on a couple of sites.
I remember on the Cryptologic network you could earn $100 bonus a month easily by playing regularly ,
these days bonuses are useless to the average player and rakeback is like the brain of the average Trump
supporter, practically nonexistent.
I think there are very few people who actually make money playing poker.
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besttest11
Enthusiast
Silver Level
First of all, I am not a pro player. I am just a below-average player. Let me tell you about myself. I have never deposited money into any poker website. In the beginning, I earned money from freerolls and then started playing bounty tournaments with buy-ins ranging from $1 to $3.
Around 90% of the time, I reach the money, and about 5-7% of the time, I finish in the top 5 ranks. I play one tournament daily due to my job and other commitments. Still, I can easily earn $200 to $500 monthly without depositing any money.
I understand it's not a lot, but I’m just giving you an example of what a below-average player like me can achieve.
Around 90% of the time, I reach the money, and about 5-7% of the time, I finish in the top 5 ranks. I play one tournament daily due to my job and other commitments. Still, I can easily earn $200 to $500 monthly without depositing any money.
I understand it's not a lot, but I’m just giving you an example of what a below-average player like me can achieve.
Herkstwin
Legend
Bronze Level
Firstly - this question needs context. And that is determining what is meant by 'winner'. Someone can play a hand and win. Or several hands (session) and win. That is rather useless info. In my opinion, a poker winner is someone whose long-term bankroll is in the black. Ups and downs over the month and years are part of the journey.
Obviously, only the online poker rooms know the answer to that - through the data they have to have on each client. Poker tracking software would also provide some insight, but not much. The biggest challenge is THE RAKE. In the long run, all players are paying the rake which eats into profits.
I won't estimate what the percentages are because that is just guessing, in which case my estimate/opinion is worthless.
There is only one place where I can reasonably estimate - my weekly live game among a group of 6-10 friends. Only 2 of us are long-term winners. We both keep our own records. None of the other players keep track. They play for fun, and it is fun taking their money. In this context I am in the 5, 10, 20% of players who are winners.
Obviously, only the online poker rooms know the answer to that - through the data they have to have on each client. Poker tracking software would also provide some insight, but not much. The biggest challenge is THE RAKE. In the long run, all players are paying the rake which eats into profits.
I won't estimate what the percentages are because that is just guessing, in which case my estimate/opinion is worthless.
There is only one place where I can reasonably estimate - my weekly live game among a group of 6-10 friends. Only 2 of us are long-term winners. We both keep our own records. None of the other players keep track. They play for fun, and it is fun taking their money. In this context I am in the 5, 10, 20% of players who are winners.
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Rmi
Rock Star
Platinum Level
At low levels I could say yes. Not at high levels anymore.
louuu19
Rock Star
Platinum Level
The claim that 96% of poker players lose money is often cited, but it's not entirely accurate. Studies and data analyses suggest that the percentage of losing players is high, but it varies depending on the sample size and criteria used
