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[Xife]

How is this different than what I said???

You were saying the ONLY way the leafs win is if Raycroft stands on his head... Meaning the Leafs never won unless Raycroft stole the game.

I was saying that no this isnt true, infact in most of our win's, Raycroft played poor - medeocre at best... And that Goaltending was our big reason that we were losing games early on... (Which btw I'm still not happy with Ferg sending Tuuka Rask for Raycroft)


Ugh oil fan's are all the same. <-- lol just joking..

 

[Xife]

That goal by Sundin should have counted imo, There was no whistle, There was no penalty... If it was goaltender interfearance (Which it wasnt) there would have been a penalty called..

Just saw at the end of the game.. reasoning was "There was enough contact with the goaltender to dissallow the goal, but not enough to call the penalty"

This was a big game too... I'll probably get called a "Typical whining leaf fan" for this post but ack, I guess I slightly see the reasoning for the no goal.. but.. not really lol.

I won't even mention the blatant penalties that should have been called.. (Shit I just did.. oh well)


This could have costed the leafs the playoffs.

DAMN YOU FRASER.

 

[Shoestringx]

Wasn't fraser the ref who missed the high stick on Gretzky in 93?

I didn't see the leafs game, but I heard they got robbed. Habs made a nice comeback win in nashville

The playoff race is on!!!!

 

[Xife]

Wasn't fraser the ref who missed the high stick on Gretzky in 93?

I didn't see the leafs game, but I heard they got robbed. Habs made a nice comeback win in nashville

The playoff race is on!!!!

Yes when Gretzky high sticked Gilmour.. and no call.


btw here it is. YouTube - Kerry Fraser screws the Leafs again

"We've been frasered again fans"

 

[shinedown.45]

make a healthy deposit to my PS account and I'll see the fraser is taken care of

 

[gord962]

Is that like the Oilers being 'McGoughed'? lol

 

[Shoestringx]

Yes when Gretzky high sticked Gilmour.. and no call.


btw here it is. YouTube - Kerry Fraser screws the Leafs again

"We've been frasered again fans"

I gotta laugh because I'm a habs fan.... but man that was one of the worst calls I've ever seen.

 

[Xife]

Is that like the Oilers being 'McGoughed'? lol

That call was a worse call.. But this one is pretty bad, and was a really important game for Toronto.

 

[gord962]

Oh wow. That was bad. But, in defense of Fraser, all of that happening at full speed from the angle he was at, it looked like Ponikarovsky was holding DePietro with his stick when it actuality it was DePietro holding Ponikarovky's stick.

 

[Xife]

Oh wow. That was bad. But, in defense of Fraser, all of that happening at full speed from the angle he was at, it looked like Ponikarovsky was holding DePietro with his stick when it actuality it was DePietro holding Ponikarovky's stick.

Yeah and his stick was only there in the first place because he was cross checked...

Maurice didn't comment on it after the game, just walked off.. Apparently O'neill ranted about it swearing a few times.. But I missed it

I really wished this happend in Toronto, Would have loved to see the fan's reaction (Well actually probably wouldn't be as much as I think because all the good seats in the ACC are taken by business men that couldn't care less about the game.)

 

[Shoestringx]

I didn't think it was possible for goalie interference to negate a goal, and yet there be no penalty called?

 

[ChuckTs]

sigh...I actually missed the entire game, but the #$&*#ing replays got me angry enough...bloody fraser...

read the comments on the youtube video - too funny. aww man what timing for a ridiculous call like that.

 

[gord962]

Anyone see this last night?? http://www.hockey-fights.com/videos/...ne%20brawl.wmv

 

[ChuckTs]

Good old time hockey

Hadn't seen a goalie fight in years....

 

[gord962]

Good old time hockey

Hadn't seen a goalie fight in years....

Not too many times you hear the announcer say that the goon better watch out for a goalie!

Seriously, I think if Emry would have been wearing normal equipment and not goalie equipment he would have tuned Peters.

I love Buffalo, they are my 2nd favourite team, and I think Peters is one fo the most entertaining tough guys in the league (remember his golf pose at the end of the year last year Leaf fans?? ). All that said, Emry is probably one of my favourite up and coming players in the league. He is very flambouyant but he doesn't cross the line. The fact that he is an amazing boxer really had me cheering for Emry (whihch I was very surprised at after that I was cheering for him over Peters) as I wanted to see what he was capable of rather than fighting a 160 lbs goalie in Biron. I was surprised Biron agreed to drop the gloves. He had to know he was going to get destroyed. The whole event has stirred quite a few discussions in the office today! The main discussion is this is why the instigator rule needs to be dropped. If there is no instigator rule, Peters would have been sent over the boards before the whistle was even blown, he and Neil would have gone at it and the issue would have been over. Instead, Ruff has no choice but to send a message that if you are going to go after our captain, we will go after your star players and the ridiculous ensues (not that I don't mind a brawl, but the only reason there was a brawl was because of the instigator rule.)

 

[Xife]

I hate to admit it, But I am a fan of Emery... Was watching the Ottawa sens skills competition (Awaits the barrage of insults..) and they did a thing on him, and he seems like a really cool person.. And he said he loves to fight, then this fight.. and seeing the grin on his face.. Man that was good.





I was watching some of the sens skills competition just to see who their hardest shot was... so I could laugh at them...

 

[Shoestringx]

Not too many times you hear the announcer say that the goon better watch out for a goalie!

Seriously, I think if Emry would have been wearing normal equipment and not goalie equipment he would have tuned Peters.

I love Buffalo, they are my 2nd favourite team, and I think Peters is one fo the most entertaining tough guys in the league (remember his golf pose at the end of the year last year Leaf fans?? ). All that said, Emry is probably one of my favourite up and coming players in the league. He is very flambouyant but he doesn't cross the line. The fact that he is an amazing boxer really had me cheering for Emry (whihch I was very surprised at after that I was cheering for him over Peters) as I wanted to see what he was capable of rather than fighting a 160 lbs goalie in Biron. I was surprised Biron agreed to drop the gloves. He had to know he was going to get destroyed. The whole event has stirred quite a few discussions in the office today! The main discussion is this is why the instigator rule needs to be dropped. If there is no instigator rule, Peters would have been sent over the boards before the whistle was even blown, he and Neil would have gone at it and the issue would have been over. Instead, Ruff has no choice but to send a message that if you are going to go after our captain, we will go after your star players and the ridiculous ensues (not that I don't mind a brawl, but the only reason there was a brawl was because of the instigator rule.)

Ok the instigator rule is one of the worst rules ever in the NHL, but in this case, it wasn't the cause of the brawl. The Neil hit was clean, he hit him with his shoulder, Drury needs to keep his head up. Now I don't necessarily agree with hitting people so hard that you try to hurt them, but under the rules it was a clean hit (and I don't think th hit hurt him, I think it was how he landed on the ice).

This particular brawl was started because Lindy Ruff is a whiney baby who thinks that the entire NHL should lay down in front of him and do things his way. So he sent his 5 toughest players out to start fights with the Sens skill guys. Some would say an eye for an eye and it is ok. However in the history of the NHL every single timea coach has sent players on the ice with marching orders to fight, especially when they sent goons out to fight against skill guys, there has been large fines and suspensions. What lindy Ruff did was cowardly and pathetic and he is an embarrasment to the NHL. Honestly I wanted to see Bryan Murray go after him and tool him. I just don't understnad why he didn't just send Peters out the next shift when Neil was on the ice?

However, full marks to Emery who was probably the toughest person on the ice for Ottawa, not only did he take on the other goalie and tool him, then he took on the other teams toughest player. I think that if Emery didn't have the goalie gear on he would have pounded peters into the ground.

What I'd like to know is how was the Neil hit on Drury any different from the Colby Armstrong hit on Saku Koivu a few weeks ago? When sheldon Souray stood up for Koivu he got a 5 minute fighting penalty, 2 minute instigator and a game misconduct.... even though the other guy dropped his gloves first and threw the first punch?

Basically all five guys on Buffalo who were on the ice should be suspended and so should Lindy Ruff, but alas I don't think that anything is going to happen in that regard and it will be one more sad example of how the NHL has no consistency in anything and is turning into a joke bush league.

I love a good fight as much as the next guy, but what does it prove for Andrew Peters to try and jump Jason Spezza..... I could kick Spezza's ass.

 

[Xife]

Tucker resigned... 4 years 12 million....


Leafs @ Montreal tonight, should be a good one.

 

[gord962]

The Neil hit was clean, he hit him with his shoulder, Drury needs to keep his head up. Now I don't necessarily agree with hitting people so hard that you try to hurt them, but under the rules it was a clean hit (and I don't think th hit hurt him, I think it was how he landed on the ice)

And if there was no instigator rule, guys like Neil wouldn't attempt to make hits like that because they would get their asses kicked. We don't pay money to watch Chris Neil play, but people will shell out cash to watch Drury. The skilled players need to be protected. I'm not saying by the ref's but by their own players if nothing else. Think back to the 70s and 80s - no one ever tried to hit Gretzky like that. If they did, it was Semenko they had to answer to and no one wanted that!!!

As far as Tucker goes, I figured he's get 3.5/year. Leafs got a good deal, IMO.

 

[Xife]

There were a lot of penalties that should have been called against both teams that were let go... but that high sticking on sundin with 2 minutes left HAS to be called...

Ref's possibly robbed another one from the leafs, he was hit in the face with a stick and was bleeding, no call.. I guess the only way they call is if Sundin is decapitated ? The ref's have won 2 in a row now. The NHL needs the NFL's 'challenge rule' so that the coach could throw out a yellow flag or something to challenge a decision.. giving up a time out if it fails....

Besides that, It was an exciting game with some horrible goaltending from both sides.


Leafs didnt play 100%

 

[Shoestringx]

There were a lot of penalties that should have been called against both teams that were let go... but that high sticking on sundin with 2 minutes left HAS to be called...

Ref's possibly robbed another one from the leafs, he was hit in the face with a stick and was bleeding, no call.. I guess the only way they call is if Sundin is decapitated ? The ref's have won 2 in a row now. The NHL needs the NFL's 'challenge rule' so that the coach could throw out a yellow flag or something to challenge a decision.. giving up a time out if it fails....

Besides that, It was an exciting game with some horrible goaltending from both sides.

I have to ask you a question, why does that highstick "have to be called" anymore than Sundin's hook on Koivu earlier in the game should have beeen called, or O'neils slash on Markov? There were a ton of missed calls both ways tonight, end of story. As for the missed highstick, at least he didn't almost lose an eye like Koivu did last year in the playoffs.

Basically what it all boils down to, is that the officiating in the NHL is a total joke, the ref's miss more calls than they get right and honestly as a hockey fan it is getting embarrasing.

Either way, one of the most entertaining games of the year lots of hitting and some Good Ole' Time hockey.

 

[Xife]

I have to ask you a question, why does that highstick "have to be called" anymore than Sundin's hook on Koivu earlier in the game should have beeen called, or O'neils slash on Markov? There were a ton of missed calls both ways tonight, end of story. As for the missed highstick, at least he didn't almost lose an eye like Koivu did last year in the playoffs.

I agree with you 100%, there were some calls both ways that were missed... Latendress and his elbow to Coliacavo's face, Sundin could have had a hooking penalty called against him and many others... I guess the reason I was mad was because of the inconsistancy. My comments about the ref's stealing another one was more of a joke... I do feel Montreal outplayed Toronto..

Basically what it all boils down to, is that the officiating in the NHL is a total joke, the ref's miss more calls than they get right and honestly as a hockey fan it is getting embarrasing.

Yes it is very bad... something has to be done.

Either way, one of the most entertaining games of the year lots of hitting and some Good Ole' Time hockey.

Yes it was, I felt Montreal was the better team mainly because of how physical they were. Toronto had a really bad first period.

 

[Shoestringx]

I feel ya on the missed calls, yess Lats elbow should have been called too, I was trying not to sound to biased in my last response..... but its hard

Either way, I've watched a lot of hockey this year, not just hab games and the officiating has been horrible right across the board. It's pretty bad when the only consistency your officials give you is to be consistently bad

 

[gord962]

As a fan of hockey who isn't a Leafs ot the Habs fan I don't think Toronto deserved to win with their play last night. You can't have 4 guys carry a team to victory. They were lucky to have it as close at it was because of Abischer's poor performance. I watch every game that comes on the tube because I'm a HUGE fan of the game, not just an Oilers fan. I watched both Marlie games on the weekend (on the SCORE) and there were some junior games I watched too. Montreal didn't play a solid game either, but at least they showed some grit for the first time in a long time.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the reffing was absolutely BRUTAL. The only worse game I have seen this year was Sunday's Wild/Oilers game. There were 15 missed calls and 15 phantom calls to make up for their misses. Matt Greene crushed a guy head first into the boards head first and didn't get called. Both coaches were screaming at the refs all night and the refs were in their own little world.

 

[snakeyes214]

another loyal canadian here. Great place to talk poker, hockey, and beer
but not necessarily in that order. lol GO HABS GO
THEY BEAT THE LEAFS AGAIN LAST NIGHT. hic, i'll drink to that