****Astronomical August Spider Chat Thread****

[vanquish]

so what sort of villians are you flatting SCs like 56 - 910 against?

I usally fold/3bet 44-66 but flat 77+ tbh.

Also vanq you say your cable of flatting a bunch of hands ? What bunch? like SCs, QJs/10Js etc. obvs dont give ranges but any chance of a rough idea and reasoning why you do this?

straightforward regs i can flat something like 87s in the SB or BB against their "steal" (which is usually like 20%), cause those hands flop a lot of cool middle pair ish type hands

i can flat mid-connector types in the blinds against a steal, but also stuff like KQs, AJs, TT, J8s, then i 3bet more like K8s, A5s type stuff

it depends so much tho


edit: it really depends on table dynamics but i stopped folding as much from the blinds as i used to, because i was mixing in more HU and there's a lot more defending there, plus its funner to play flops

 

[GeoffLacey]

straightforward regs i can flat something like 87s in the SB or BB against their "steal" (which is usually like 20%), cause those hands flop a lot of cool middle pair ish type hands

i can flat mid-connector types in the blinds against a steal, but also stuff like KQs, AJs, TT, J8s, then i 3bet more like K8s, A5s type stuff

it depends so much tho


edit: it really depends on table dynamics but i stopped folding as much from the blinds as i used to, because i was mixing in more HU and there's a lot more defending there, plus its funner to play flops

How many tables do you play vanq?

 

[JohnnyFronts]

Do a lot of you guys play online only or are there some of you that play an equal mix of live/online? Only asking cause I play a LOT more live and the dynamic is much different. I know its harder to discuss hands due to not having solid numbers/accurate hand histories, but it would be nice to include a bit more live play discussion. Like, is it +EV to play a 3-handed $2-$5 live game with one really good player and one hyper aggro terribad player with deep pockets (plus reduced rake)?

 

[tenbob]

I rekon time wise I play around the same amount live and online. Having said that I would probably log around 10 times more hands online in the same timeframe.

Yea though, you always want to play shorthanded with terrible players. Even though his lag-fish style becomes more diffucult to play against 3 handed, you still get to play more hands against him than at a full table, so go for it imo.

 

[S93]

I play online every day and live like once a week, usualy a home game, 30$ rebuy/ 50nl.

If u want more live game discusion you are just going to have to start it.
By all means post some HA or strategy questions regarding live games and im sure u will get plenty of responses .

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Perfect Storm.

Table chat right before this hand where I went in with the better straight, nut low and a nut flush redraw and hit the flush...

SB said, "cold"
cAPS said, "cold?"
SB said, "ur next"
cAPS said, "me?"
SB said, "yeah baby"
cAPS said, "i might be"


SB ($12.73)
BB ($7.52)
UTG ($5.93)
hERO (MP) ($12.36)
Button ($3.74)

Preflop: hERO is MP with

,

,

,

UTG calls $0.05, hERO bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($1)

,

,

(5 players)
SB bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.40, UTG raises to $2.35, hERO raises to $8.60, Button calls $3.54 (All-In), SB raises to $12.53 (All-In), BB calls $6.92 (All-In), UTG calls $3.38 (All-In), hERO calls $3.56 (All-In)

Turn: ($41.91)

(5 players, 5 all-in)

River: ($41.91)

(5 players, 5 all-in)

Total pot: $41.91 | Rake: $2

Results:
Button had J

, A

, 5

, A

(Hi: one pair, Aces, Lo: [ 7, 5, 4, 2, A ]).
SB had 2

, A

, 9

, 7

(Hi: two pair, sevens and twos, Lo: [ 7, 5, 4, 2, A ]).
BB had 7

, K

, 4

, 8

(Hi: flush, King high, Lo: [ 8, 7, 5, 4, 2 ]).
UTG had 10

, Q

, 6

, 3

(Hi: flush, ten high, Lo: [ 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 ]).
hERO had 3

, 4

, 2

, A

(Hi: straight flush, five high, Lo: [ 5, 4, 3, 2, A ]).
Outcome: hERO won $39.91

cAPS said, "THAT"
cAPS said, "is cold."

SB leaves the table
tyexxxxxdie leaves the table
Graxxxxxzo leaves the table
cAPS: calls $0.03
Thxxxxxan leaves the table

 

[kleitches]

Sick hand, Caps!

 

[switch0723]

you spelt cAPS wrong btw

 

[JohnnyFronts]

I rekon time wise I play around the same amount live and online. Having said that I would probably log around 10 times more hands online in the same timeframe.

Yea though, you always want to play shorthanded with terrible players. Even though his lag-fish style becomes more diffucult to play against 3 handed, you still get to play more hands against him than at a full table, so go for it imo.

Hands/hr is obv way higher online than live, but my live hourly is better, the fish are far worse with deeper pockets, and I dont have to deal with waiting for withdrawal transactions to complete.

As for the shorthanded situation, it was one of my good friends, an illegal arms dealer (seriously, lol), and I. Each of us were about ~300 BB's deep, automatic button straddles, and the fish loved making it $50 to pf EVERY hand. Game was sick fo sho.

I'll try to post more live hands since my local game can get very interesting with the player diversity.

 

[vanquish]

How many tables do you play vanq?

FR: anywhere 12-18

PLO: anywhere 4-6

HU: anywhere 1-3
\



in other news i played golf for the first time in my life today and it was sooooooooooo fun

 

[GeoffLacey]

FR: anywhere 12-18

PLO: anywhere 4-6

HU: anywhere 1-3
\



in other news i played golf for the first time in my life today and it was sooooooooooo fun

And am I right in thinking you play without a hud? Sorry I'm just interested cos I find following table dynamics and stuff over quite a few tables pretty imprssive tbh

 

[vanquish]

And am I right in thinking you play without a hud? Sorry I'm just interested cos I find following table dynamics and stuff over quite a few tables pretty imprssive tbh

yea i play without a hud now. i dunno i'm pretty used to it its fun :deal:

 

[Jurn8]

straightforward regs i can flat something like 87s in the SB or BB against their "steal" (which is usually like 20%), cause those hands flop a lot of cool middle pair ish type hands

i can flat mid-connector types in the blinds against a steal, but also stuff like KQs, AJs, TT, J8s, then i 3bet more like K8s, A5s type stuff

it depends so much tho


edit: it really depends on table dynamics but i stopped folding as much from the blinds as i used to, because i was mixing in more HU and there's a lot more defending there, plus its funner to play flops

Yeah plus you probably have a solid postflop game from your experience at HU and 6max etc which enables you to play more pots OOP HU.

 

[vanquish]

yea and also PLO is really helping me with hold em hand reading too

 

[Lemlywinks]

in other news i played golf for the first time in my life today and it was sooooooooooo fun

good to have another one on the golf side

 

[Emperor IX]

*sigh*

 

[cAPSLOCK]

yea and also PLO is really helping me with hold em hand reading too

It will end up making you a little more paranoid. It does help. Post flop is a little more meaningful in PLO and even more in PLO8 IMO.

 

[switch0723]

I'd advise eveyone to watch the PCA from this year, like 25 of the final 27 players are all high stakes online mtt pro's, so some of the plays are so sick,some of the most advanced plays and hands are played during the final 3 tables, really good to watch

 

[Emperor IX]

pokerstars Game #31490729100: Tournament #186285868, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2009/08/11 0:07:16 ET
Table '186285868 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: dasorrells (19950 in chips)
Seat 2: glalyk99 (5300 in chips)
Seat 3: Dude Wally (99306 in chips)
Seat 4: manager58 (17910 in chips)
Seat 5: powers-of-93 (26790 in chips)
Seat 7: Emperor XIX (14696 in chips)
Seat 8: KgChfAA518 (39543 in chips)
Seat 9: LetItRideKid (37684 in chips)
dasorrells: posts the ante 200
glalyk99: posts the ante 200
Dude Wally: posts the ante 200
manager58: posts the ante 200
powers-of-93: posts the ante 200
Emperor XIX: posts the ante 200
KgChfAA518: posts the ante 200
LetItRideKid: posts the ante 200
LetItRideKid: posts small blind 1000
dasorrells: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [8s As]
glalyk99: raises 3100 to 5100 and is all-in
Dude Wally: folds
manager58: folds
powers-of-93: folds
Emperor XIX: raises 9396 to 14496 and is all-in
KgChfAA518: folds
LetItRideKid: folds
dasorrells: calls 12496
*** FLOP *** [Qd 8d Ts]
*** TURN *** [Qd 8d Ts] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 8d Ts 4s] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dasorrells: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
Emperor XIX: shows [8s As] (a flush, Ace high)
Emperor XIX collected 18792 from side pot
glalyk99: shows [7c 9d] (high card Queen)
Emperor XIX collected 17900 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 36692 Main pot 17900. Side pot 18792. | Rake 0
Board [Qd 8d Ts 4s 3s]
Seat 1: dasorrells (big blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: glalyk99 showed [7c 9d] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 3: Dude Wally folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: manager58 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: powers-of-93 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Emperor XIX showed [8s As] and won (36692) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: KgChfAA518 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: LetItRideKid (small blind) folded before Flop

Was confused when the pot was pushed to me

 

[Emperor IX]

PokerStars Game #31490821036: Tournament #186285868, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2009/08/11 0:10:54 ET
Table '186285868 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: hard2grind (32316 in chips)
Seat 2: LetItRideKid (35884 in chips)
Seat 3: MichelleWD (15478 in chips)
Seat 5: shortstak61 (45238 in chips)
Seat 6: rooster152 (35045 in chips)
Seat 7: hapydazefern (25681 in chips)
Seat 8: pattysoto (19450 in chips)
Seat 9: Emperor XIX (36092 in chips)
hard2grind: posts the ante 200
LetItRideKid: posts the ante 200
MichelleWD: posts the ante 200
shortstak61: posts the ante 200
rooster152: posts the ante 200
hapydazefern: posts the ante 200
pattysoto: posts the ante 200
Emperor XIX: posts the ante 200
pattysoto: posts small blind 1000
Emperor XIX: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [Td 4d]
hard2grind: folds
LetItRideKid: folds
MichelleWD: folds
Emperor XIX is disconnected
shortstak61: calls 2000
rooster152: folds
hapydazefern: folds
pattysoto: calls 1000
Emperor XIX is connected
Emperor XIX: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 4s Th]
pattysoto: checks
Emperor XIX: bets 6000
shortstak61: calls 6000
pattysoto: folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 4s Th] [5s]
Emperor XIX: bets 27892 and is all-in
shortstak61: calls 27892
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4s Th 5s] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Emperor XIX: shows [Td 4d] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
shortstak61: shows [Tc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
shortstak61 collected 75384 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 75384 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 4s Th 5s Qc]
Seat 1: hard2grind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LetItRideKid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MichelleWD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: shortstak61 showed [Tc Qh] and won (75384) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 6: rooster152 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hapydazefern (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pattysoto (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Emperor XIX (big blind) showed [Td 4d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours

 

[slycbnew]

I'd advise eveyone to watch the PCA from this year, like 25 of the final 27 players are all high stakes online mtt pro's, so some of the plays are so sick,some of the most advanced plays and hands are played during the final 3 tables, really good to watch

link?

 

[slycbnew]

PokerStars Game #31490821036: Tournament #186285868, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2009/08/11 0:10:54 ET
Table '186285868 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: hard2grind (32316 in chips)
Seat 2: LetItRideKid (35884 in chips)
Seat 3: MichelleWD (15478 in chips)
Seat 5: shortstak61 (45238 in chips)
Seat 6: rooster152 (35045 in chips)
Seat 7: hapydazefern (25681 in chips)
Seat 8: pattysoto (19450 in chips)
Seat 9: Emperor XIX (36092 in chips)
hard2grind: posts the ante 200
LetItRideKid: posts the ante 200
MichelleWD: posts the ante 200
shortstak61: posts the ante 200
rooster152: posts the ante 200
hapydazefern: posts the ante 200
pattysoto: posts the ante 200
Emperor XIX: posts the ante 200
pattysoto: posts small blind 1000
Emperor XIX: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [Td 4d]
hard2grind: folds
LetItRideKid: folds
MichelleWD: folds
Emperor XIX is disconnected
shortstak61: calls 2000
rooster152: folds
hapydazefern: folds
pattysoto: calls 1000
Emperor XIX is connected
Emperor XIX: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc 4s Th]
pattysoto: checks
Emperor XIX: bets 6000
shortstak61: calls 6000
pattysoto: folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 4s Th] 5♠
Emperor XIX: bets 27892 and is all-in
shortstak61: calls 27892
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4s Th 5s] <font color='black'>Q♣</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Emperor XIX: shows [Td 4d] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
shortstak61: shows [Tc Qh] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
shortstak61 collected 75384 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 75384 | Rake 0
Board [Jc 4s Th 5s Qc]
Seat 1: hard2grind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LetItRideKid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MichelleWD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: shortstak61 showed [Tc Qh] and won (75384) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 6: rooster152 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: hapydazefern (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pattysoto (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Emperor XIX (big blind) showed [Td 4d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours

Ouch

 

[Johnnybmoto]

Sweet, had my first real downswing and encounter with variance today!

At one point I was down 10 BI but ended up just a tad short of even for the day.

 

[slycbnew]

Sweet, had my first real downswing and encounter with variance today!

At one point I was down 10 BI but ended up just a tad short of even for the day.

Nice recovery!

 

[Caseace48]

Sweet, had my first real downswing and encounter with variance today!

At one point I was down 10 BI but ended up just a tad short of even for the day.

Eeek, talk about a roller coaster Thats why I love FR so much more then 6max