Are 5-10% of players really winners or is it a myth?

[luckyfish98]

Who can pinpoint it and can track every player.maybe there are no winning players at all and in the long run we are all losers playing poker just paying 10% fees to online bosses and casino owners Those big famous people with their millions in poker winnings are not telling us the whole truth who may know how much everyone is losing in illegal gambling casinos

 

[john_entony]

Who can pinpoint it and can track every player.maybe there are no winning players at all and in the long run we are all losers playing poker just paying 10% fees to online bosses and casino owners Those big famous people with their millions in poker winnings are not telling us the whole truth who may know how much everyone is losing in illegal gambling casinos

Without investing you can't lose. But you have to work hard: play a lot of free satellites and a lot of freerolls. And one day you will get an opportunity to play in a big tournament, after winning 2-3 satellites in a row. But how will you use this opportunity? That's the point!

 

[pentazepam]

5-10% is likely pretty accurate.

 

[Luvepoker]

I tend to believe the number is a bit low but its really close. 8- to 15% would be my guess.

 

[neptunas888]

I think about 10 percent consistently play in the plus over the long term

 

[CheezeWiz]

Sounds reasonable to me... I am sure sites like sharkscope (despite their faults) have a reasonable amount of data that could support this claim. Also, I am sure poker sites have some data that may support this general claim. But The Truth Is, nobody really knows, as Nobody Has All The Data On Any Player... So it is anyones guess.

If nothing else, at least there is a percentage of players that only play Freerolls and other Free Tickets, and otherwise play very responsibly that are Winners... So The Real Question Is... wait for it....

How big a percentage of that 5 - 10% of All Winning Players are CardsChat Players?

I am pretty sure we have quite a few...

 

[Dasha_21]

I think this percentage is slightly more than 20-25%

 

[ztibor72]

Yes, I think 10% covers reality.
Fortunately, I belong here too.

 

[pentazepam]

Sounds reasonable to me... I am sure sites like sharkscope (despite their faults) have a reasonable amount of data that could support this claim. Also, I am sure poker sites have some data that may support this general claim. But The Truth Is, nobody really knows, as Nobody Has All The Data On Any Player... So it is anyones guess.

If nothing else, at least there is a percentage of players that only play Freerolls and other Free Tickets, and otherwise play very responsibly that are Winners... So The Real Question Is... wait for it....

How big a percentage of that 5 - 10% of All Winning Players are CardsChat Players?

I am pretty sure we have quite a few...

You can't count players that only play Freerolls in this equation.

They have by definition definition an infinite ROI if we count invested money.

Players that are winning like 100 dollars a month or less I count as breakeven. (Unless you only play 2NL or so a couple of hours a day)

But it's a matter of semantics of course.

I don't have a link now but I think about 5% of regular players win "big" and 10-20% are "small" winners.

 

[NightStalker]

I think it's a real percentage.

 

[puzzlefish]

The biggest problem with that percentage is defining what it applies to. Do you think 20 equally skilled regular players who only play against each other are going to have 1-2 that consistently win and the rest are going to be losers? It isn't going to work that way. Over time, it's just going to be a bunch of noisy variance and everyone will lose to rake and fees.

In reality those that win are the ones who are able to pick the right games and play against weaker players consistently over time. And even they go through streaks of losing.

 

[andron205]

this is at high limits, yes, in games under $20, 40 percent are often 40 percent, and regularly 15-20 percent

 

[10gerka]

I think that in the end, those who do not prepare or study and who have poker as a diversion lose, but I think that those who prepare, the results are going to be very different.

 

[hardongear]

I agree Luvepoker and believe the % of players that are winning players is between 8-15%.

When I say winning I mean those who actually withdraw and spend the money on other things outside of poker and don't have to redeposit or go bust.

Why do I believe it's so little? Well most the human race aren't good a number of things that are needed and required to be a winning player(long term) besides being good at poker. Any dummy can read a book, lean a TAG style of poker and use charts. What most the human race aren't good at is the following:
1) bankroll management. If you can't make and keep within a monthly budget(in real life) you can't manage a poker bankroll. That alone makes you losing player long term doesn't matter how good you are at poker. This alone likely covers and turns 75+% of the human race into losing players.
2) Patience. Should be obvious why it's needed.
3) Mental toughness/tilt control. Again should be obvious why it's needed.

Cheers!!!

 

[pavel1111111]

I think is true , but the percent should be around 5 % , not 10 % , it give us a hope

 

[Pabloro10321]

The answer is simple, they do exist, but if you don't know your limitations, you'll never succeed.
It takes dedication, time and knowing how to control the bankroll, but for me poker is very profitable.

 

[userX]

Who can pinpoint it and can track every player.maybe there are no winning players at all and in the long run we are all losers playing poker just paying 10% fees to online bosses and casino owners Those big famous people with their millions in poker winnings are not telling us the whole truth who may know how much everyone is losing in illegal gambling casinos

I think the distribution is roughly the following:
80% of players lose money.
10-15% of players do not spend but do not earn.
5% have a stable profit from the game.
Personally, I belong to those players who have a profit from the game, but this profit is the money I win in tournaments, in which I take part exclusively thanks to the money I win in our CardsChat freerolls. So I would like to thank the community and the entire CardsChat team for my additional income

 

[Cooking]

For me is way less, like 5%, specially if you consider the long run (like be a consistent winner for at least a couple of years).

 

[louuu19]

The millionaire players are a small percentage like any industry, they're the facade of poker because they're the most successful ones but that doesn't mean other players aren't winners and do not make any benefit from it, I think consistency and discipline are key and most players lack these two!

 

[NootNoot]

Other than looking at it from a semi logical point of view with added numbers pulled from my backside I wouldn't really know. 5-10% could be about right.

A zero sum game that was completely random would have around 50% winners, 50% losers. Poker is none of these things.

There's rake, so that cuts down winners, let's say it's now at 40%.

It's not random and some players are more competent than others, let's make it 30%.

The distrubtion of good and bad players isn't equal. There are many more casual or recreational players than there are good ones. The rare shark feeds off many fish. Dropping it to 20% now.

Good players can still make bad choices when it comes to game selection. No point in being better than 80% of players if you sit down at at a table with those who are better than 90% of others due to overestimating your ability. Moving it down to 10% winners now.

Science! lol

 

[Zecatumulto]

I believe so, it is very likely that 5 to 10% of players will be able to make good returns playing poker. However, this is still a dream for me!

 

[hilary antonik filho]

We all have a real chance of winning, which means I believe in a higher percentage

 

[manzanillo53]

Who can pinpoint it and can track every player.maybe there are no winning players at all and in the long run we are all losers playing poker just paying 10% fees to online bosses and casino owners Those big famous people with their millions in poker winnings are not telling us the whole truth who may know how much everyone is losing in illegal gambling casinos

We all have a real chance of winning, which means I believe in a higher percentage

With there lifestyles ya they are winning, if click yes, these poker tracking site can track you on every legal gaming site. A better question to ponder is Trump a real person.

 

[Pityesz1974]

I think there are hardly any winning players on Earth who are already positive. Perhaps they are just the winners of big competitions, or the first couple placed.

 

[Leandro6803]

I believe that this percentage is between 5% and 15% of players who are profitable in the long term, but this is just my guess, without supporting data.