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THIS MANS SOUL WAS CRUSHED INDEFINITELY!

PLAYED THIS HAND TODAY AND I BELIEVE IT IS IDENTICAL TO THE HAND BETWEEN GUS HANSEN AND DANIEL NEGARANU WITH THE 600K POT ,REMEMBER?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($0.96)
Button ($5)
SB ($5)
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($6.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5
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, 5
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Hero bets $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 5
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, 4
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, 3
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.35) 5
spade.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

River: ($3.95) 4
spade.gif
(2 players)
BB bets $3.29 (All-In), Hero calls $3.29

Total pot: $10.53 | Rake: $0.44

Results below:
BB had 3
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, 3
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(full house, threes over fives).
Hero had 5
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, 5
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(four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $10.09


PRETTY SIMILAR HANDS. KINDA FUNNY REALLY,THEY ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL.:):)(have no clue how i remembered this hand):p:p


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hZlPsLXRnM
 
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Skimmed through a bit. Some really rough beats :(. Keep it up though Vinyl and hammer those big hands into em! Eventually you'll run +ev through it all :) Subbed and will check in from time to time
 
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Again. The **** are you talking about? Since when is $5 at 5NL 240BB deep?

Aleksei, button's preflop call was awful. Hero isn't deep, he has 100bb

Button had 12.48$ and it is 250bb.

Oh dear... lol

ESS is 100bbs dudes.
Oh, uh... oops. :D

I thought we were SB for some retarded reason. If we're super deep flatting almost any 3bet IP is standard with any spec hand so we have to 3bet super big, defensively.

With 100BB though, we can just do a standard 3.5x. And yes, flatting a resteal with J6s is probably bad unless we're 3betting super wide and spazzing out postflop (which we're not).

I'd consider flatting with J8s though. Button-BB ranges are always FOS and we're in position.
 
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nowhere near the same dynamics as the Hansen-Negraneu hand there vinyl. On a double paired board like yours, it's kind of a retarded hand for the BB on the river. Negraneu was only beat by 3 combos. 88, 99, and 55. So way different really. On the turn it was certainly identical though
 
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Skimmed through a bit. Some really rough beats :(. Keep it up though Vinyl and hammer those big hands into em! Eventually you'll run +ev through it all :) Subbed and will check in from time to time


thanks bob to good to see you posting here. :) yea its been a tough struggle but with a little help from my friends here I'm sure ,i can make it.:D
 
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VILLAIN IS HYPER AGGRO DONK RUNNING 75/55/10 OVER 90 HANDS.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($8.90)
MP ($5.17)
CO ($13.98)
Button ($3.37)
Hero (SB) ($5.41)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
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, K
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1 fold, MP bets $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.50) 3
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, A
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, A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.80) A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.80, Hero raises to $3.61 (All-In), MP calls $1.57 (All-In)

River: ($10.54) 9
spade.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.54 | Rake: $0.44

Results below:
Hero had K
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, K
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(full house, Aces over Kings).
MP had A
diamond.gif
, 9
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(four of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: MP won $10.10

OH YEA. IM MAD! U GOT THAT RIGHT. FLAT 65 CENT SQUEEZE WITH A9. ILL CATCH YOU LATER BOY.;)

 
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65 cent is pretty low, I never do less than 0.75 and nowdays even 1.00 with good hands (QQ+, AK).
 
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65 cent is pretty low, I never do less than 0.75 and nowdays even 1.00 with good hands (QQ+, AK).



.65 CENTS IS LOW VERSUS ONE RAISER? I dont know what kind of poker you are playing but the only thing that 3 betting 1$ into a (15cents) standard 3X raise is gonna get you is to make worst hands fold. you get my drift ? even with 1 flatter.
 
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Yes it is low. Do you ever get folds at all? We are talking about 5NL right?

You are aware you are usually OOP vs 2 players if MP calls (BTN has nice odds then)?

I increased 3bet size with premiums to charge people who love calling (I know who they are obviously).

I don't bluff squeeze and I play FR, if that is relevant.
 
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He doesn't need to go anywhere near $0.75-$1.00. His sizing is fine; personally I'd of gone like a little less. We only need to add an extra blind or two because we're out of position meaning $0.55-$0.60 would of done but $0.65 is actually fine even with the caller, maybe even better.

Don't be making daft raises to $1.00, there's no need too. The thing is, we WANT callers; we don't want people folding all you're doing by raising to $1 is encouraging them to fold. If they catch a piece of the board, they aren't folding anyway; there's certainly no need in trying to get them to fold pre when we have the second best hand pre flop.
 
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He doesn't need to go anywhere near $0.75-$1.00. His sizing is fine; personally I'd of gone like a little less. We only need to add an extra blind or two because we're out of position meaning $0.55-$0.60 would of done but $0.65 is actually fine even with the caller, maybe even better.

Don't be making daft raises to $1.00, there's no need too. The thing is, we WANT callers; we don't want people folding all you're doing by raising to $1 is encouraging them to fold. If they catch a piece of the board, they aren't folding anyway; there's certainly no need in trying to get them to fold pre when we have the second best hand pre flop.

+1

Sizing is perfect, no need to alter it in this situation.
 
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He doesn't need to go anywhere near $0.75-$1.00. His sizing is fine; personally I'd of gone like a little less. We only need to add an extra blind or two because we're out of position meaning $0.55-$0.60 would of done but $0.65 is actually fine even with the caller, maybe even better.

Don't be making daft raises to $1.00, there's no need too. The thing is, we WANT callers; we don't want people folding all you're doing by raising to $1 is encouraging them to fold. If they catch a piece of the board, they aren't folding anyway; there's certainly no need in trying to get them to fold pre when we have the second best hand pre flop.


this basically wraps it up. LD if you dont agree with this ,then i doubt you will ever understand the essence of the game , which is ,extract value from worse hands, and dont scare them off.

It seems as though the bad beats u have taken in the past might be the reason that you are not making the right decisions.
 
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Today started off like this:


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5.02)
SB ($4.31)
BB ($5.20)
UTG ($5.20)
Hero (MP) ($10.18)
CO ($7.02)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 10
club.gif
, J
club.gif

1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.08, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.30) Q
diamond.gif
, K
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, A
spade.gif
(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.74, 1 fold, BB raises to $5.10 (All-In), Hero calls $4.36

Turn: ($10.50) K
club.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10.50) 2
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.50 | Rake: $0.44

Results below:
BB had Q
spade.gif
, K
spade.gif
(full house, Kings over Queens).
Hero had 10
club.gif
, J
club.gif
(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: BB won $10.06


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($1.42)
Hero (SB) ($5.44)
BB ($11.57)
UTG ($18.11)
MP ($4.95)
CO ($2.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
heart.gif
, A
spade.gif

2 folds, CO bets $0.14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) Q
diamond.gif
, 6
heart.gif
, 10
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.55 (All-In), Hero calls $1.55

Turn: ($5.05) 5
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.05) J
spade.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.05 | Rake: $0.21

Results below:
Hero had Q
heart.gif
, A
spade.gif
(one pair, Queens).
CO had A
club.gif
, K
heart.gif
(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: CO won $4.84


Ended up like this:


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($4.69)
SB ($14.15)
BB ($5.37)
UTG ($7.88)
Hero (MP) ($6.57)
CO ($16.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
heart.gif
, A
club.gif

UTG bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.48, 1 fold, Button calls $0.48, SB calls $0.46, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.97) A
spade.gif
, 9
club.gif
, 10
diamond.gif
(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.08, 1 fold, SB calls $1.08, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.13) J
diamond.gif
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.13) 10
club.gif
(2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $2.70, SB calls $1.70

Total pot: $9.53 | Rake: $0.40

Results below:
SB didn't show
Hero had A
heart.gif
, A
club.gif
(full house, Aces over tens).
Outcome: Hero won $9.13

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
Hero (SB) ($6.03)
BB ($3.32)
UTG ($9.12)
MP ($7.29)
CO ($5.07)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5
diamond.gif
, 5
club.gif

UTG bets $0.15, MP raises to $0.57, 1 fold, Button calls $0.57, Hero calls $0.55, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.42

Flop: ($2.33) 5
spade.gif
, 7
heart.gif
, 10
diamond.gif
(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $1.77, Button calls $1.77, Hero raises to $5.46 (All-In), 1 fold, MP raises to $6.72 (All-In), 1 fold

Turn: ($15.02) 6
club.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($15.02) Q
diamond.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $15.02 | Rake: $0.62

Results below:
Hero had 5
diamond.gif
, 5
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(three of a kind, fives).
MP had A
diamond.gif
, A
heart.gif
(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $14.40


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($3.95)
BB ($3.86)
UTG ($2.93)
MP ($3.98)
CO ($4.74)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, J
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1 fold, MP bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.52) 4
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, 10
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, A
diamond.gif
(3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.22) A
club.gif
(2 players)
CO bets $4.24 (All-In), Hero calls $4.24

River: ($9.70) J
diamond.gif
(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.70 | Rake: $0.40

Results below:
Hero had A
heart.gif
, J
club.gif
(full house, Aces over Jacks).
CO had 10
club.gif
, 10
heart.gif
(full house, tens over Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $9.30


In other words, i managed to get the curse off of me after losing 4 buy ins in a row within the first 200 hands. I cant say the end result is as good as i would want it to be taking into consideration the time and effort i put into it but at least its a small profit.


this is how it looks:


ScreenHunter 03 Jul 12 2003

im prolly gonne get a vid up tomorrow. let you see how the big boys roll.:p:p:p:p LOL
 
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In all honesty, i really feel sorry for some of these guys. this guy here fell right into the trap like the biggest donk ever. :p:p:p I'm too good really.:p:p


How well was this played?

villain is running: 37/33/4
66 3bet have him marked as "bad aggro"


This HUD has literally changed my life pokerwise. Its a new dimension. when you have the nuts all you have to do is try to find the best way to play it like you dont have shit,especially when ur up against a "bad aggro". when someone 3bets pre and you show signs of weakness,all they are doing is looking for any reason to shove.(especially if they dont have it). In other words,the turn play here is great VS this type of villain.

Notice how i 4bet pre with 99. i am ready to play for stacks even before the flop comes out only cause i know this villain is VERY AGGROBAD.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
SB ($5)
BB ($5.78)
Hero (UTG) ($5.07)
MP ($5.76)
CO ($5.08)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9
spade.gif
, 9
club.gif

Hero bets $0.15, MP raises to $0.52, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.63, MP calls $1.11

Flop: ($3.33) 4
club.gif
, 9
diamond.gif
, 7
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($3.33) 7
diamond.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP raises to $4.13 (All-In), Hero calls $2.44 (All-In)

River: ($10.21) 2
diamond.gif
(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.21 | Rake: $0.42

Results below:
Hero had 9
spade.gif
, 9
club.gif
(full house, nines over sevens).
MP had J
club.gif
, A
heart.gif
(one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $9.79




 
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Well played vinyl , although i woulda bet like 0.70 OTT but its just myself.
 
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AQ hand, ship pre. Dude has like $1.55 behind and the pot is $1.30 already; basically nothing good can come from risking a flop whiff. Also he's short so he's probably bad and can readily call worse (that I'll let you be the judge of -- you didn't post stats).

Everything else was perfect imo
 
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Great example of extracting max value from fishy players.

Raise/raise and then check when board runs dry and its highly possible that villain misses draws.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($2.73)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($8.49)
UTG ($3.11)
MP ($5.36)
Hero (CO) ($6.48)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.17, Button calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 10
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, 6
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, K
spade.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.81) 2
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.38, Button calls $0.38

River: ($1.57) 8
club.gif
(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Total pot: $3.17 | Rake: $0.13

Results below:
Button had J
spade.gif
, Q
club.gif
(high card, King).
Hero had K
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, Q
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(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $3.04

 
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Tricky spot. Versus reg. 28/22/2.4 287 hands

on the turn when he checks. 1/3 of the pot will usually get you the info you need and looks like your trying to build up the pot for a river shove.(assuming villain is a thinking player)

(6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($4.41)
SB ($13.29)
BB ($7.79)
Hero (UTG) ($5.42)
MP ($5.71)
CO ($4.82)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10
heart.gif
, 10
club.gif

Hero bets $0.17, MP calls $0.17, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.73, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.56, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.68) 7
spade.gif
, 5
diamond.gif
, A
heart.gif
(2 players)
SB bets $0.83, Hero calls $0.83

Turn: ($3.34) 3
heart.gif
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.04, 1 fold

Total pot: $3.34 | Rake: $0.14

Results below:
Hero didn't show 10
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, 10
club.gif
.

 
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Not sure why your betting the turn? Is it for value or a bluff because you're only getting value from worse pairs which likely wont call anyway. Also the problem is, he has a lot of Ax in his range so you're turning your hand into a bluff and even if he has a weak Ax he's certainly calling and might even call JJ/QQ/KK and the river will usually go check/check. I don't like the betting for infomation when you certainly have enough show down value. He can have worse pairs and lots of broadway cards.

Id' just call the turn and evaluate the river, most likely bluff catch depending on which card runs of because our hand isn't vulnerable at all at this point, the board is really dry.
 
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Not sure why your betting the turn? Is it for value or a bluff because you're only getting value from worse pairs which likely wont call anyway. Also the problem is, he has a lot of Ax in his range so you're turning your hand into a bluff and even if he has a weak Ax he's certainly calling and might even call JJ/QQ/KK and the river will usually go check/check. I don't like the betting for infomation when you certainly have enough show down value. He can have worse pairs and lots of broadway cards.

Id' just call the turn and evaluate the river, most likely bluff catch depending on which card runs of because our hand isn't vulnerable at all at this point, the board is really dry.


See, the thing is, im betting turn because he opened the door by checking. I feel he has KK,QQ,JJ or some random garbage and just thought the spot was great for a squeeze. I dont want to check behind here because ,if i do he can easily turn his hand into a bluff on the river and steal the pot.

So yea, i think (THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR HAND WITH THE PREFLOP SQUEEZES AND ALL) that bet/folding to any shove or reraise is the best way to go. Also this bet makes it look like im trying to lure worst hands into calling. KK,QQ,JJ,or any random junk.

10-10 is not good for showdown. so i have to turn it into a bluff on the turn the way the hand play out. make any sense to you or is it bad?
 
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See, the thing is, im betting turn because he opened the door by checking. I feel he has KK,QQ,JJ or some random garbage and just thought the spot was great for a squeeze. I dont want to check behind here because ,if i do he can easily turn his hand into a bluff on the river and steal the pot.

So yea, i think (THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR HAND WITH THE PREFLOP SQUEEZES AND ALL) that bet/folding to any shove or reraise is the best way to go. Also this bet makes it look like im trying to lure worst hands into calling. KK,QQ,JJ,or any random junk.

10-10 is not good for showdown. so i have to turn it into a bluff on the turn the way the hand play out. make any sense to you or is it bad?

He could be pot controlling a weak Ace out of position and if he has KK/QQ/JJ he likely will at least call the turn bet but he didn't bet the turn, because all he is doing with JJ/QQ/KK is turning those hands into bluffs if he bets the turn. The idea of checking behind the turn; is to induce a bluff on the river or more likely case; he just show downs like 66,88,99 etc.

TT is great for show down; the board is ace high and there are no draws. Quite often; we're going to be good at show down imo. I just think turning TT into a bluff isnt a great spot because the board isn't wet and our hand likely is best. If you said you was betting for value from hands like worse pairs; then it's thin but it's fine however like I say; if he has a better hand, he's calling - this will likely also include the JJ-KK hands for at least the turn bet. River will then likely go check/check and you basically will of just give him free money on the turn for no reason. The only hands that will likely fold the turn bet are worse pairs, that is it.


All that said; if you really think he has KK/QQ/JJ and think he is capable for folding these hands (Not a bluff I advise though as most wont fold hands like that anyway) then you would have to be prepared to turn yet again TT into a bluff on the river by betting but like I say, there is no real reason to be turning your hand into a bluff given we likely have the best hand anyway.
 
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He could be pot controlling a weak Ace out of position and if he has KK/QQ/JJ he likely will at least call the turn bet but he didn't bet the turn, because all he is doing with JJ/QQ/KK is turning those hands into bluffs if he bets the turn. The idea of checking behind the turn; is to induce a bluff on the river or more likely case; he just show downs like 66,88,99 etc.

TT is great for show down; the board is ace high and there are no draws. Quite often; we're going to be good at show down imo. I just think turning TT into a bluff isnt a great spot because the board isn't wet and our hand likely is best. If you said you was betting for value from hands like worse pairs; then it's thin but it's fine however like I say; if he has a better hand, he's calling - this will likely also include the JJ-KK hands for at least the turn bet. River will then likely go check/check and you basically will of just give him free money on the turn for no reason. The only hands that will likely fold the turn bet are worse pairs, that is it.


All that said; if you really think he has KK/QQ/JJ and think he is capable for folding these hands (Not a bluff I advise though as most wont fold hands like that anyway) then you would have to be prepared to turn yet again TT into a bluff on the river by betting but like I say, there is no real reason to be turning your hand into a bluff given we likely have the best hand anyway.


I realise what your saying makes 100% sense and it IS the best way to play the hand in general. ijust felt that because hes a reg and he prolly thinks im a reg cause we play against each other alot and he hasnt really seen me getting way out of line that he will find a fold to KK and QQ and JJ because i called the 75 cent squeeze pre. He isnt the spewy type so its just how i read the hand. perhaps u are right and im burning money but in this case it works.

In general though the line you are describing is absolutely the best way to play it. But if i ididnt bet turn here and he bets river for like 1.50$ what do i do then? You get my point? i want to name the price on the turn and get info also by how he reacts to the 1$ bet. i aint putting a cent more into the pot if he calls or reraises or leads out on river. Another thing is he might improve his hand by river like hit a set of KK,QQ,JJ or whatever.

Also his squeeze seemed to be extremely high which i felt was designed to get folds instead of calls.


then again ram. thanks for tips. ur advice is always solid man. i might have made a mistake here. It really is not about the result but the way to gain max value. so i guess u may be right.
 
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Great example of extracting max value from fishy players.

Raise/raise and then check when board runs dry and its highly possible that villain misses draws.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($2.73)
SB ($4.95)
BB ($8.49)
UTG ($3.11)
MP ($5.36)
Hero (CO) ($6.48)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.17, Button calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 10
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, 6
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, K
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.81) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.38, Button calls $0.38

River: ($1.57) 8
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Total pot: $3.17 | Rake: $0.13

Results below:
Button had J
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, Q
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(high card, King).
Hero had K
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, Q
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(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $3.04

Meh, I probably go bet/bet/bet. He's a fish so I presume he won't bluff that often, and 3flush boards don't contain flushes that often either. If he raises a busted draw and I fold hat's off to him, but unless there's something I'm missing it seems really unlikely.
 
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I realise what your saying makes 100% sense and it IS the best way to play the hand in general. ijust felt that because hes a reg and he prolly thinks im a reg cause we play against each other alot and he hasnt really seen me getting way out of line that he will find a fold to KK and QQ and JJ because i called the 75 cent squeeze pre. He isnt the spewy type so its just how i read the hand. perhaps u are right and im burning money but in this case it works.

In general though the line you are describing is absolutely the best way to play it. But if i ididnt bet turn here and he bets river for like 1.50$ what do i do then? You get my point? i want to name the price on the turn and get info also by how he reacts to the 1$ bet. i aint putting a cent more into the pot if he calls or reraises or leads out on river. Another thing is he might improve his hand by river like hit a set of KK,QQ,JJ or whatever.
Damn man that's some level 4 shit right there.

Although being scared of a set is stupid. Sets land nearly never otr.
 
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villain running 17/17/9 with 14 %3bet.



pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($4.83)
MP ($5)
Hero (Button) ($5.04)
SB ($4.87)
BB ($3.52)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4
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, 4
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1 fold, MP bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 8
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, 3
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, 8
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.34 (ok so which 2 cards in the deck is he 3betting me here with??) =NONE! dead giveaway,

Turn: ($1.37) 9
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.37) 10
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(2 players)
MP bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80 (i probably would have folded to like .80 cents)

Total pot: $4.97 | Rake: $0.21

Results below:
Hero had 4
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, 4
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(two pair, eights and fours).
MP had J
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, K
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(one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $4.76
 
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