Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[or3o1990]

As you state I think it correct to play it more passively here on the flop. Yesterday I had QQ on a QJT flop in a 4 bet pot against a passive player who shipped the flop, I'm thinking like it must be AK, its obvious but I simply cant fold in a spot like that.

Yeah, I've been looking for spots to take different, more aggressive lines than I normally would. Had I just called like I normally would and missed I would have had no qualms about letting this one go.

When that much goes in pre and you flop top set there's not much you can do about that! Hopefully he had AA and not AK.

Awesome, I'm glad you're enjoying leak buster. We have some cool new features coming to it here soon. We've had a minor development setback that I'm hoping will be resolved soon, but there's some cool new stuff around the bend for it.

As far as the hand, in a single raised pot on this type of texture I'd typically check the flop in a sandwiched position. This flop will hit a ton of people's ranges, and you'll have direct odds to call on pretty much any bet if the CO does bet. If I was in position, I'd be inclined to bet much more often. But if the flop action goes check check... no biggie. If CO bets 2/3rds, you give the limper a chance to come into the pot and give you great odds to just call. Even if they don't, you still have great odds with no chance of being blown off your hand.

After he raises, I'd still just call. It's ok to take a passive line here. If the pot is MW and he's raises two people, then you're fold equity begins to really shrink. Also, this is one of the few justified times where if you do hit your hand, you have some great implied odds because your opponent almost always has two pair + and will pay off if you hit.

Nice, keep us posted on those updates!

I don't think I'm checking here ever but I don't often check my draws, especially OOP.. Do you suggest this because it's a three way pot or to string the limper along? The only reasoning behind what I did was being OOP. I should have instead considered all of the factors, like my implied odds and lack of fold equity here.. I didn't expect him to fold so besides simplifying my decisions I'm not sure what I was thinking this would accomplish.

 

[John A]

Nice, keep us posted on those updates!

I don't think I'm checking here ever but I don't often check my draws, especially OOP.. Do you suggest this because it's a three way pot or to string the limper along? The only reasoning behind what I did was being OOP. I should have instead considered all of the factors, like my implied odds and lack of fold equity here.. I didn't expect him to fold so besides simplifying my decisions I'm not sure what I was thinking this would accomplish.

Correct. Because the limper is likely a fish AND that flop texture is going to hit him in some way, he's much more likely to come along if the CO bets. Depending on how bad he is he may come along with 4 way straight draws, and bottom middle pairs, etc... So it just increases your direct odd chances. But if the action is bet/raise, that's much less likely.

And yes, like I said, even MW if you were in position I'd be more inclined to bet. But sandwiched, I think it's better to c/c with a lot of your range assuming your opponent isn't some stud that can always push you off this range. But honestly it doesn't matter much in this spot. And yes, if you were HU's OOP, I think betting here is fine as well.

 

[John A]

Almost done with my move (so much fun moving, I'm sad it's almost over - not). I plan on picking another person in this thread to do some free coaching with when I'm done. Who will it be?

 

[or3o1990]

I plan on picking another person in this thread to do some free coaching with when I'm done. Who will it be?

Put me in the game coach!

 

[mottotom27]

Add me to the raffle too

 

[Figaroo2]

Almost done with my move (so much fun moving, I'm sad it's almost over - not). I plan on picking another person in this thread to do some free coaching with when I'm done. Who will it be?

My Scottish half can't resist the offer of free coaching, despite the English half being too proud and reserved to ask, so I'd like to be considered please.
Id like to look at a few specific things like being more aggressive on the flop and turn, considering things like flop texture, playing draws and bluff raising.

 

[or3o1990]

Anyone ever find a fold here? I felt like I was beat here often but often enough I'm not. I tried to keep the pot smaller by checking the turn and I would have bet and folded to a reraise if he checked the river..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 173.1 BB (VPIP: 45.83, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, hands: 24)
MP+1: 100.63 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+2: 69.15 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
Hero (CO): 93.85 BB
BTN: 107.65 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 117.95 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG: 192.93 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG+1: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 3<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

Turn: (45.5 BB, 2 players) 9<font color='red'>♦</font>
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (45.5 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB bets 45.5 BB, Hero calls 45.5 BB

BB shows Q<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='red'>♥</font> (Three of a Kind, Queens)

BB wins 133.5 BB

 

[or3o1990]

Sorry, I'm not sure why my hh's are posting like this. it doesn't look this way in the preview..

I'm having a bad day with Aces today! I've been getting plenty of them but it's been going 50/50 so far. I have a hard time sniffing out these small sets. Not knowing who you are playing ever makes it nearly impossible to know if this player will ever do this with an overpair or a flush draw.. It's Saturday and there are a lot more agro/bluffy players so I leaned toward him having a flush draw a 9 or an overpair. WRONG!! Had I just called though I think I could have folded the river..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 88.45 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 99.3 BB (VPIP: 30.16, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (MP): 300.74 BB
MP+1: 127.3 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
MP+2: 169.81 BB (VPIP: 34.72, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 72)
CO: 116.5 BB (VPIP: 13.16, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
BTN: 74.15 BB (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 1.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
SB: 113.61 BB (VPIP: 12.73, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 55)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 2<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font> 5<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, fold, SB raises to 21 BB, fold, Hero calls 14 BB

Turn: (54 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB bets 28 BB, Hero raises to 182.91 BB, SB calls 61.61 BB and is all-in

River: (233.22 BB, 2 players) T<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero shows A<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
SB shows 2<font color='red'>♦</font> 2<font color='black'>♣</font> (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
SB wins 230.22 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Hand 1 I think you played it fine, there is more AK than KK QQ here,, The BB flatting a three bet oop stinks of JJ+. KK probably raises pre so it looks like AK to me after he checks turn.

Hand 2, its 4 handed and a much greater chance than usual that someone hits a set. I'm just calling this turn.

 

[Figaroo2]

Not a dissimilar hand, I just call down, if they have a set so be it.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $45.74 (183 bb) very aggressive reg. 21/17 with 51% post flop aggression and 100% river cbet,
UTG+2: $31.32 (125.3 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $20.54 (82.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): $30.82 (123.3 bb)
CO: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
BTN: $30.54 (122.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:spade: K:heart:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35) 9:spade: 3:heart: 7:heart: (3 players)
BB bets $1.68, Hero calls $1.68, CO folds

Turn: ($5.71) T:diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $4.08, Hero calls $4.08

River: ($13.87) J:club: (2 players)
BB bets $7.90, Hero calls $7.90
didn't take too long over this with his aggression levels, he will have an 8 from time to time but also lots of busted flush pair combos
Results: $29.67 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 9:spade: 3:heart: 7:heart: T:diamond: J:club:
BB showed Q:club: Q:spade: and lost (-$14.41 net)
Hero showed K:spade: K:heart: and won $28.33 ($13.92 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

can we 4 bet shove here against these stats?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $26.68 (106.7 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $36.11 (144.4 bb)
MP1: $24.60 (98.4 bb)
Hero (MP2): $37.41 (149.6 bb)
MP3: $25.72 (102.9 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb) marked as a decent reg and a squeezer see associated stats

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K♥ A♣
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN raises to $4.85, 3 folds,
Hero? I just wanted to shove here it 'feels' +ev
Can anyone work it out or take me through it against his button 3 bet and squeeze rate?
Also can anyone clarify the squeeze stat, its 13% right? what does the (68) represent?

 

[or3o1990]

Yeah just calling would have made more sense. Sometimes i accidentally put people on a hand or draw rather than a respective range of hands and draws. I knew that only a set, overpair of flush draw made sense there. 100 hands later i realized the guy was a complete nit and his vpip was 13%. The anon feature makes things a bit tricky at times.

 

[ghOst]

hi John A,

I tried sending you a PM about the book promotion but it seems that your inbox is full lol do you just want me to post the PM here?

 

[or3o1990]

I'm a novice when it comes to making any sense out of stats.. I'm glad to have the Card Catcher now but I have to remind myself not to weight too much of my decision on the stats I have. Because the samples are always so small it can be deceiving at times.

I thought this was interesting. Here I was able to benefit by just calling with my overpair because my being passive persuaded the villain to bluff. I honestly wasn't so sure I was ahead here. Had I taken an aggressive line at any point in this one he surely would have folded.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 260.75 BB (VPIP: 38.71, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
CO: 44.83 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 32)
BTN: 102.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: 78.52 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (BB): 89.5 BB
UTG: 114.35 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 32)
UTG+1: 41.35 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 58.56 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 32)
MP+1: 99 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 3 players) 4<font color='black'>♣</font> 7<font color='black'>♣</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, MP bets 4.06 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.06 BB

Turn: (22.12 BB, 2 players) Q<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, MP bets 10.06 BB, Hero calls 10.06 BB

River: (42.24 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero checks, MP bets 15.12 BB, Hero calls 15.12 BB

MP shows 9<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 32%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows K<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font> (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 68%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 69.48 BB

Can anyone give me some tips on how to properly paste my HH's? It shows the colors when I click go advanced but if I go to preview or post it it shows as above?

 

[luizmarinho]

can someone help me out with this hand
the villan was a very LAG player
I started with 40 bb ($ 2)
me = Fulleiemti

pokerstars Hand #138187524747: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2015/07/18 1:29:37 ET
Table 'Endeavour' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ranyang ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: Fulleiemti ($2.62 in chips)
Seat 4: erniehaz ($6.44 in chips)
Seat 5: mr.aces.1031 ($3.61 in chips)
mr.aces.1031: posts small blind $0.02
ranyang: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fulleiemti [As Qs]
Fulleiemti: raises $0.10 to $0.15
erniehaz: folds
mr.aces.1031: raises $0.35 to $0.50
ranyang: folds
Fulleiemti: calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [Ts 3h Th]
mr.aces.1031: bets $3.11 and is all-in
Fulleiemti: folds
Uncalled bet ($3.11) returned to mr.aces.1031
mr.aces.1031 collected $1.01 from pot
mr.aces.1031: doesn't show hand


I know he probably could had a pair but dont know which...

 

[hutzpaf]

Can anyone give me some tips on how to properly paste my HH's? It shows the colors when I click go advanced but if I go to preview or post it it shows as above?

-- Double-click the hand you want to display and this will come up(image). After that --> Copy the clipboard and paste

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 62.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): 111.8 BB
SB: 64.8 BB (VPIP: 51.72, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 33)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9s 9d
Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, fold

Flop : (5 BB, 2 players) 4c 8s 4d
SB checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.2 BB

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) 5h
SB bets 20.2 BB, Hero calls 20.2 BB

River : (61.4 BB, 2 players) 6c
SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows Qh Ts (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 45%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)

Hero shows 9s 9d (Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
(Pre 55%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)

Hero wins 58.8 BB

 

[John A]

Anyone ever find a fold here? I felt like I was beat here often but often enough I'm not. I tried to keep the pot smaller by checking the turn and I would have bet and folded to a reraise if he checked the river..

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 173.1 BB (VPIP: 45.83, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 100.63 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+2: 69.15 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
Hero (CO): 93.85 BB
BTN: 107.65 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 117.95 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG: 192.93 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
UTG+1: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 3<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

Turn: (45.5 BB, 2 players) 9<font color='red'>♦</font>
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (45.5 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB bets 45.5 BB, Hero calls 45.5 BB

BB shows Q<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='red'>♥</font> (Three of a Kind, Queens)

BB wins 133.5 BB

Not a lot of hands so I assume no aggression reads. I think you could find a fold if you had some more info / stats. I mean his only real bluff that would make sense is TJ, even AJ as a bad OOP float has to be discounted because of your AA. AK for value is also thin for a few reasons so his hand heavily weights towards 33/QQ/KK/KQ. It's hard to fold AA there with such little info, but even though you check the turn and open up his bluffing range a bit on the river, there's not a lot of bluffing hands that make sense unless he's turning a small pair into a bluff, but he has no reason to think he needs to.

So yes, you can find a fold. But those are spots with AA that you just think you're obligated to pay off in real time, then you go back and look and go, dohh.

 

[John A]

can someone help me out with this hand
the villan was a very LAG player
I started with 40 bb ($ 2)
me = Fulleiemti

PokerStars Hand #138187524747: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2015/07/18 1:29:37 ET
Table 'Endeavour' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ranyang ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: Fulleiemti ($2.62 in chips)
Seat 4: erniehaz ($6.44 in chips)
Seat 5: mr.aces.1031 ($3.61 in chips)
mr.aces.1031: posts small blind $0.02
ranyang: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fulleiemti [As Qs]
Fulleiemti: raises $0.10 to $0.15
erniehaz: folds
mr.aces.1031: raises $0.35 to $0.50
ranyang: folds
Fulleiemti: calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [Ts 3h Th]
mr.aces.1031: bets $3.11 and is all-in
Fulleiemti: folds
Uncalled bet ($3.11) returned to mr.aces.1031
mr.aces.1031 collected $1.01 from pot
mr.aces.1031: doesn't show hand


I know he probably could had a pair but dont know which...

By very lag, was he 3-betting a lot? Or was he just very aggro post flop? I'd need more info to give better advice really.

 

[John A]

Can anyone give me some tips on how to properly paste my HH's? It shows the colors when I click go advanced but if I go to preview or post it it shows as above?

-- Double-click the hand you want to display and this will come up(image). After that --> Copy the clipboard and paste

On that screen image you pasted, if you just click that blue looking icon that says post to 2+2, pokerstrategy, it will be in your clipboard bluffer. Then you can just paste it onto any forum post and you'll be good.

 

[or3o1990]

On that screen image you pasted, if you just click that blue looking icon that says post to 2+2, pokerstrategy, it will be in your clipboard bluffer. Then you can just paste it onto any forum post and you'll be good.

Thats what ive been doing but it comes out all wonky. It has the color code written when i see it posted on my pc. It looks normal on mobile tho? Im confused.

 

[hutzpaf]

On that screen image you pasted, if you just click that blue looking icon that says post to 2+2, pokerstrategy, it will be in your clipboard bluffer. Then you can just paste it onto any forum post and you'll be good.

I have used only the left side icon --> Copy the clipboard

I used this blue icon (something wrong going on inside the Forum)

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 62.4 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): 111.8 BB
SB: 64.8 BB (VPIP: 51.72, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 33)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9<font color='black'>♠</font> 9<font color='red'>♦</font>

Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, fold

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='black'>♠</font> 4<font color='red'>♦</font>
SB checks, Hero bets 2.8 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.2 BB

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 5<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB bets 20.2 BB, Hero calls 20.2 BB

River: (61.4 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows Q<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='black'>♠</font> (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 45%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows 9<font color='black'>♠</font> 9<font color='red'>♦</font> (Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
(Pre 55%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 58.8 BB

 

[rhombus]

Thats what ive been doing but it comes out all wonky. It has the color code written when i see it posted on my pc. It looks normal on mobile tho? Im confused.

try here http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

 

[or3o1990]

Not a lot of hands so I assume no aggression reads. I think you could find a fold if you had some more info / stats. I mean his only real bluff that would make sense is TJ, even AJ as a bad OOP float has to be discounted because of your AA. AK for value is also thin for a few reasons so his hand heavily weights towards 33/QQ/KK/KQ. It's hard to fold AA there with such little info, but even though you check the turn and open up his bluffing range a bit on the river, there's not a lot of bluffing hands that make sense unless he's turning a small pair into a bluff, but he has no reason to think he needs to.

So yes, you can find a fold. But those are spots with AA that you just think you're obligated to pay off in real time, then you go back and look and go, dohh.

The anonymous feature is killing my ability to believe anyone in n spots like this. Also on low flops with jj/qq against what smells like a more premium pair I'm usually just trying to get to showdown for cheap rather than fold. Most of the players I'm seeing appear so terrible it's hard for me to expect their bluff lines to make any sense.. Because I can rarely learn anyone's tendencies I'm sometimes failing to give credit where credit is due I guess.. The card catcher helps but most people stick around for like 150 hands max..

 

[John A]

I have used only the left side icon --> Copy the clipboard

I used this blue icon (something wrong going on inside the Forum)

Yeah, it's strange. It seems to work in preview mode, but full post it doesn't work. Maybe cardschat can address it since a lot of people use PT.

 

[John A]

The anonymous feature is killing my ability to believe anyone in n spots like this. Also on low flops with jj/qq against what smells like a more premium pair I'm usually just trying to get to showdown for cheap rather than fold. Most of the players I'm seeing appear so terrible it's hard for me to expect their bluff lines to make any sense.. Because I can rarely learn anyone's tendencies I'm sometimes failing to give credit where credit is due I guess.. The card catcher helps but most people stick around for like 150 hands max..

Well, that's why I created the hitman HUD also. So you can make quick reads and apply them. I think in general, at 100nl, people will fall into 2 pretty polarizing categories on there. Those that are there to gamble it up, and those that play solid TAG and don't bluff very often. You need to separate those first and then make the other nuanced reads. It's doable, I've played on there for awhile now.