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Its ok, I just drag PDFs onto kindle. It just measn i have to read them my self instead of full kindle version where you can get it to read it for you lol

Gotcha.... how is the formatting when you do that usually? Is it still pretty decent?
 
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Ok, thanks. I'll have to check this out.
 
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Cool, thanks I'll give it a look.

I got basically no work done today because we were evacuated from my office because of a gas leak. I think I lost some hearing today from the all of the alarms in every room and office. It was crazy loud.

We should get moving on the next section this week for Vol. II.
 
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party poker have these 'fun' cash tables where you are only allowed to have one cash table open at a time, they are rammed with fish. I usually only play here on a Sat during the CC 250k entry freeroll.

I'm not sure about the way I played this hand, it can't have been all bad as I stacked him. Its almost as if I irritated him into a shove in the end....Thoughts?
I'd already stacked a couple and have the respect of the table.The BB is the only other reg who likes to 3 bet and squeeze.

Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
SB: $10.22 (102.2 bb)
BB: $18.58 (185.8 bb)
UTG+2: $9.52 (95.2 bb) 17/8/44 %agg in 115 hands (tagfish). 11% from EP 85% fold to 3bet
MP1: $19.03 (190.3 bb)
Hero (MP2): $27.18 (271.8 bb)
MP3: $8.84 (88.4 bb)
CO: $9.27 (92.7 bb)
BTN: $8.51 (85.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K K
UTG+2 raises to $0.40, MP1 folds,
OK I think if I 3 bet here it just looks too strong, he's likely to fold and the BB might get interested.
Hero calls $0.40, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.95) J J 5 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.85) K (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.88, UTG+2 raises to $1.76, weird sizing, Hero calls $0.88

River: ($5.37) 9 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Is he looking for another CR, or has he given up? A smaller bet looks best to me here Hero bets $2.55, UTG+2 raises to $6.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.36

Results: $19.19 pot ($0.95 rake)
Final Board: J J 5 K 9
UTG+2 mucked 8 8 and lost (-$9.52 net)
Hero showed K K and won $18.24 ($8.72 net)
 
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I'd bet a little stronger on the turn so you can get more river value. As played, I'd still bet more on the river or go for an even smaller bet to induce a bluff.
 
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Handling QQ in 4 bet pots

I'm struggling with how to play QQ here.

Here we are slighter deeper than normal, villain is a decent slightly loose reg
Full hitman hud
19/15/38 in 115 hands
3.8/33/80/67
16/17/53 I have 4 bet added 33% (he's 4 bet three times in eight opportunities)

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $37.97 (151.9 bb)
MP1: $17.64 (70.6 bb)
MP2: $34.54 (138.2 bb)
MP3: $19.75 (79 bb)
Hero (CO): $35.94 (143.8 bb)
BTN: $28.75 (115 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:spade: Q:diamond:
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.90
( I remember pressing call here before I looked at how wide he was from MP and how often he a has 4 bet,,,,I'm thinking we should just 5 bet shove here?)

Flop: ($11.35) 6:diamond: 4:club: 3:club: (2 players)
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24.35) 3:heart: (2 players)
MP2 checks, (sigh of relief) Hero checks (should we bet here, or does that just fold out worse?)

River: ($24.35) J:club: (2 players)
MP2 bets $13.95, Hero calls $13.95

Results: $52.25 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 6:diamond: 4:club: 3:club: 3:heart: J:club:
MP2 showed A:heart: K:heart: and lost (-$25.95 net)
Hero showed Q:spade: Q:diamond: and won $50.25 ($24.30 net)
 
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Here the villain in the SB was much looser.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB HUD
24/19/56 in 37
13.3/0/50/0 (3bet from SB position is 50%)
20/13/65 50% 4 bet

SB: $63.35 (253.4 bb)
BB: $24.54 (98.2 bb)
MP1: $53.53 (214.1 bb)
MP2: $10.40 (41.6 bb)
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $29.75 (119 bb)
BTN: $26.80 (107.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:club: Q:spade:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB raises to $3, BB folds, Hero calls $2.25, BTN calls $2.25
Again I take it should we just be 4/5 betting against this villain

Flop: ($9.25) 3:diamond: 9:spade: 2:spade: (3 players)
SB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($20.25) 5:heart: (2 players)
SB bets $10.50, Hero raises to $21.25 and is all-in, SB calls $10.75
May as well just call down here, don't understand my shove here, just lets him fold worse,,,,I can't see I'm ever giving in to this agg/loose an opponent.
Can we ever get away from this hand?

River: ($62.75) 9:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $62.75 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 3:diamond: 9:spade: 2:spade: 5:heart: 9:club:
SB showed A:heart: A:diamond: and won $60.75 ($31 net)
Hero showed Q:club: Q:spade: and lost (-$29.75 net)

I'm not sure it makes any difference but this hand was on the same table as the previous QQ hand about 30 mins before, So I played the 1st hand above after already having been stacked in this hand
 
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I'm struggling with how to play QQ here.

Here we are slighter deeper than normal, villain is a decent slightly loose reg
Full hitman hud
19/15/38 in 115 hands
3.8/33/80/67
16/17/53 I have 4 bet added 33% (he's 4 bet three times in eight opportunities)

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $37.97 (151.9 bb)
MP1: $17.64 (70.6 bb)
MP2: $34.54 (138.2 bb)
MP3: $19.75 (79 bb)
Hero (CO): $35.94 (143.8 bb)
BTN: $28.75 (115 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.90
( I remember pressing call here before I looked at how wide he was from MP and how often he a has 4 bet,,,,I'm thinking we should just 5 bet shove here?)

Flop: ($11.35) 6 4 3 (2 players)
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24.35) 3 (2 players)
MP2 checks, (sigh of relief) Hero checks (should we bet here, or does that just fold out worse?)

River: ($24.35) J (2 players)
MP2 bets $13.95, Hero calls $13.95

Results: $52.25 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 6 4 3 3 J
MP2 showed A K and lost (-$25.95 net)
Hero showed Q Q and won $50.25 ($24.30 net)
I struggle alot with overpairs to maximise value or minimise losses

If you bet turn and he shoves then you are already committed.

You both have around $22 so Id bet $14 and if he has Pairs of 789TJKA hes shoving.

If River was A or K are you still calling the $13.95 and what if he shoved $22 do you still Call.

I struggle with these hands when deeper do you just get to showdown ot take it down on turn and deprive him of his equity if he has AK about 13%
 
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I'm struggling with how to play QQ here.

Here we are slighter deeper than normal, villain is a decent slightly loose reg
Full hitman hud
19/15/38 in 115 hands
3.8/33/80/67
16/17/53 I have 4 bet added 33% (he's 4 bet three times in eight opportunities)

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $37.97 (151.9 bb)
MP1: $17.64 (70.6 bb)
MP2: $34.54 (138.2 bb)
MP3: $19.75 (79 bb)
Hero (CO): $35.94 (143.8 bb)
BTN: $28.75 (115 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.90
( I remember pressing call here before I looked at how wide he was from MP and how often he a has 4 bet,,,,I'm thinking we should just 5 bet shove here?)

No... I like a 4-bet call with position. If he is 4-betting a lot light, then just keep that range in and let him hang himself.

Flop: ($11.35) 6 4 3 (2 players)
MP2 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($24.35) 3 (2 players)
MP2 checks, (sigh of relief) Hero checks (should we bet here, or does that just fold out worse?)

It depends of course. If this was a 3-bet pot, then you're betting all day on these low board because there's still lots of mid pairs that will look good to your opponent and come along, but might fold the river. So you want to get value now. In a 4-bet pot at these stakes, I don't mind a check when the opponent is aggressive. You're checking planning to induce a river bet and control the pot.

River: ($24.35) J (2 players)
MP2 bets $13.95, Hero calls $13.95

Results: $52.25 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 6 4 3 3 J
MP2 showed A K and lost (-$25.95 net)
Hero showed Q Q and won $50.25 ($24.30 net)

The rest is standard. I think you played it well. There are some standard betting tells at these stakes that he doesn't have much. He 4-bets and then bets pretty weak on that flop and checks the turn. He'll be almost always super weak.
 
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No... I like a 4-bet call with position. If he is 4-betting a lot light, then just keep that range in and let him hang himself.
Flop 11.35 Eff. STack about $29
If A or K hits flop do you call one bet then fold if they bet the turn as well.
Say they Bet $8 on 34K board then $18 into $27 on Turn. Do you fold unless Q hits.

Just wondering what fraction of your stack are happy about calling preflop and then happy to give up when Bad board on flop
 
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Took a break for a while just to come back to this....

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 18, 12:00:14 ET 2015
Table Endast (real money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $76.98 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 32
Seat 2: Player2 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 34, PFR: 31, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 32
Seat 3: Player3 ( $11.29 USD ) - VPIP: 41, PFR: 3, 3B: 7, AF: 7.0, Hands: 32
Seat 4: Player4 ( $37.26 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 32
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.54 USD ) - VPIP: 100, PFR: 100, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 1
Seat 6: Hero ( $34.84 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.1, Hands: 9012
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Kc ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.25 USD]
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player5 raises [$10.29 USD]
Hero calls [$9.54 USD]
Player1 calls [$9.54 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 7d, 5c ]
Hero bets [$15.00 USD]
Player1 raises [$30.00 USD]
Hero calls [$9.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
Player1 shows [Qd, Qs ]
Player5 shows [Ks, Ah ]
Player1 wins $78.42 USD from main pot
Player1 wins $5.60 USD
 
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Flop 11.35 Eff. STack about $29
If A or K hits flop do you call one bet then fold if they bet the turn as well.
Say they Bet $8 on 34K board then $18 into $27 on Turn. Do you fold unless Q hits.

Just wondering what fraction of your stack are happy about calling preflop and then happy to give up when Bad board on flop

It depends of course based on flop, opponent, etc... in terms of what I'd invest and then fold. As a general rule, if I've pot 55% or more in, then I consider myself committed, but that's a general rule. In your specific example, I wouldn't call 2 streets in a 4-bet pot on that flop. I think your opponents are going to be playing much more straight forward, and if he did 4-bet with JJ, then he'd slow down on the turn. So it's pretty easy to play those spots. I think at those stakes you have to minimize leveling yourself and tip your hat if someone is making some elaborate multi-street bluff in a 4-bet pot. Later on... this is going to change a bit. :)
 
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Took a break for a while just to come back to this....

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, February 18, 12:00:14 ET 2015
Table Endast (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $76.98 USD ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 32
Seat 2: Player2 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 34, PFR: 31, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 32
Seat 3: Player3 ( $11.29 USD ) - VPIP: 41, PFR: 3, 3B: 7, AF: 7.0, Hands: 32
Seat 4: Player4 ( $37.26 USD ) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 32
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.54 USD ) - VPIP: 100, PFR: 100, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 1
Seat 6: Hero ( $34.84 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.1, Hands: 9012
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Kc ]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.25 USD]
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player5 raises [$10.29 USD]
Hero calls [$9.54 USD]
Player1 calls [$9.54 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 7d, 5c ]
Hero bets [$15.00 USD]
Player1 raises [$30.00 USD]
Hero calls [$9.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
Player1 shows [Qd, Qs ]
Player5 shows [Ks, Ah ]
Player1 wins $78.42 USD from main pot
Player1 wins $5.60 USD

That's always fun! Don't you love poker? It looks almost exactly like I had yesterday except the guy had 99 on a J high flop and got it to hit the river 9 vs my KK. All you can do it get it in good... :pepsi:
 
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It depends of course based on flop, opponent, etc... in terms of what I'd invest and then fold. As a general rule, if I've pot 55% or more in, then I consider myself committed, but that's a general rule. In your specific example, I wouldn't call 2 streets in a 4-bet pot on that flop. I think your opponents are going to be playing much more straight forward, and if he did 4-bet with JJ, then he'd slow down on the turn. So it's pretty easy to play those spots. I think at those stakes you have to minimize leveling yourself and tip your hat if someone is making some elaborate multi-street bluff in a 4-bet pot. Later on... this is going to change a bit. :)

When you said 55% or more do you mean preflop so 100BB Deep if you had invested 55BB in preflop with say JJ and flop was AK2 youd call the other 45BB when they shoved the flop.

Or do you mean including the flop bet so u might invest 35% PF and 20% on the flop so thats 55%
 
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When you said 55% or more do you mean preflop so 100BB Deep if you had invested 55BB in preflop with say JJ and flop was AK2 youd call the other 45BB when they shoved the flop.

Or do you mean including the flop bet so u might invest 35% PF and 20% on the flop so thats 55%

I meant total starting effective stacks. It's a general rule that can be broken of course.
 
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I meant total starting effective stacks. It's a general rule that can be broken of course.

OK so on the AK2 you are calling the 45
Because A or K will hit flop over 40% isnt it best to just get it in preflop
 
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awk spot facing passive fish river bet

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, February 19, 11:52:16 ET 2015
Table Castle Pines (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $92.71 USD ) - VPIP: 56, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 36
Seat 2: Hero ( $77.43 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.1, Hands: 9179
Seat 3: Player3 ( $24.35 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 27, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 30
Seat 4: Player4 ( $29.32 USD ) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 28, 3B: 10, AF: 0.0, Hands: 18
Seat 5: Player5 ( $16.02 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 8, 3B: 9, AF: 6.0, Hands: 24
Seat 6: Player6 ( $21.78 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 38
Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc 9c ]
Player4 raises [$0.78 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 calls [$0.78 USD]
Hero calls [$0.68 USD]
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 7c, Th ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$1.82 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.82 USD]
Hero calls [$1.82 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
Player1 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
Player1 bets [$8.05 USD]
Hero ???
 
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low connected flop 3bet pot

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 20, 12:08:14 ET 2015
Table Joliat (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $25.17 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 37
Seat 2: Player2 ( $30.08 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 3: Player3 ( $25.70 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 26, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 61
Seat 4: Player4 ( $34.92 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 12, 3B: 9, AF: 6.0, Hands: 49
Seat 5: Hero ( $24.65 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.1, Hands: 9211
Seat 6: Player6 ( $26.93 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 61
Player6 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Js ]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$0.75 USD]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$2.25 USD]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Player3 calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 5d, 2d ]
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$3.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$3.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$9.00 USD]

What do you guys think about the large turn bet? I bet large because he checked the low paired board. Folding to a jam.
 
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Hi John,

I just thought i'd post this here because my email account has been playing up recently. I have downloaded your leak buster software and attempted to register for the free trial. However it is asking me for my serial number, do you mean my computer's serial number? Because i looked this up and my serial number had a different number of digits to as shown on the register screen. Was wondering what exactly you mean by serial number?
 
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Hi John,

I just thought i'd post this here because my email account has been playing up recently. I have downloaded your leak buster software and attempted to register for the free trial. However it is asking me for my serial number, do you mean my computer's serial number? Because i looked this up and my serial number had a different number of digits to as shown on the register screen. Was wondering what exactly you mean by serial number?

You don't need to register Leak buster to use the trial. You just use it. Which version is this for, HM or PT?
 
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Dealt to Hero [ Tc 9c ]
The fact that player 1 called 1.82 on the flop indicates to me that he has hit part of it at this point. We have a ten blocker so hitting the 7 looks more likely. In any case if he has a ten we are going to be outkicked. Then he bets big on the river.
He probably has a 7 or ten and are beat by both..... I fold.
I did consider whether or not we could check raise this flop with top pair and two backdoor draws, there will be plenty of cards that should allow us to fire again on the turn.

Dealt to Hero [ Kd Js ]
Re the double barrel. I just compared KJ to a 26% opening range and KJo is a 44% to 56% underdog so you are likely to be behind at the start of the hand. If you are going to play may as well 3bet and try to get the initiative.
Once he has called here you are almost certainly behind, I suspect 99 TT JJ are in his 3bet calling range so you better hope he buys the 'bluff package'. It's more believable in a 3 bet pot i suppose. If I had AK/AQ in his shoes I'd give it up on the turn.
If I was in his shoes with TT/JJ it might need a third barrel from you, and hope an overcard to his hand falls.
In my eyes, with the combo count it, would be to me more likely that you are barreling AK/AQ as have JJ beat. It depends on how he sees you, how often have you 3bet the btn and what what you have shown down on the btn and how agg you have been recently. If you have been aggressive and capable of 3 barreling air I might call you down with an overpair to the board.
 
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