Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Fisi]

Hey guys, had a lot of stuff to finish for college and a couple of festivals to visit so sorry for not participating as much.


Anyways, I noticed I often get into a situation I'm not quite sure how to play. Most often it hapens as I 3bet a regular (say 23/20, >40ish AF%) from the blinds vs. a steal. Then the flop comes something like A33 or a dry ace-high flop. I often have small pairs I 3bet with or some Kx here. Is cbetting here profitable?

They will obviously have their fair share of Ax here, however I will also be floated quite often here I suppose, and SPR is getting small as I 3bet large oop, so there isn't much room here either.

 

[Fisi]

Also, does anyone play speed/zoom/rush? As a default I think that most opponents on micros bet for value generally. I was thinking that this might be different on speed/zoom/rush and players might be motivated to bluff more often. I feel like I'm generally putting people on too tight ranges and probably folding too much, especially against flop raises or perhaps double barrels.

 

[rhombus]

Also, does anyone play speed/zoom/rush? As a default I think that most opponents on micros bet for value generally. I was thinking that this might be different on speed/zoom/rush and players might be motivated to bluff more often. I feel like I'm generally putting people on too tight ranges and probably folding too much, especially against flop raises or perhaps double barrels.

I was playing Rush to build up some volume till had problems with Hand Historys /HUD.

I thought alot of the fish players were alot tighter than normal as they can quickly move onto the next hand, although other players noticed that so start to open up more

 

[John A]

Hey guys, had a lot of stuff to finish for college and a couple of festivals to visit so sorry for not participating as much.


Anyways, I noticed I often get into a situation I'm not quite sure how to play. Most often it hapens as I 3bet a regular (say 23/20, >40ish AF%) from the blinds vs. a steal. Then the flop comes something like A33 or a dry ace-high flop. I often have small pairs I 3bet with or some Kx here. Is cbetting here profitable?

They will obviously have their fair share of Ax here, however I will also be floated quite often here I suppose, and SPR is getting small as I 3bet large oop, so there isn't much room here either.

It kind of depends on the sizing. Mostly, if they are opening small (like min raise on the button for example), then their calling range is going to widen and a c-bet is profitable. If SPR is getting tight, Then still betting a little over 1/2 pot and giving up is profitable because they will generally fold 33% of the time or more. It's hard to give a general answer here, but if you feel comfortable with your post flop game, you can also flat these hands sometimes and c/c dry flops and lead the turn.

 

[rhombus]

EEK profits for the month wiped out ended up 43 cents down LOL)

Bad Beat (95% fav) + Tilt + cooler flush over flush + hand below (put him on AK, KQs when they called turn) and decided to give up for the day

Think I might wait for Zoom fix for pokerstars HUD before playing again although not sure if would have made a difference

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 06:21:21 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg 2 (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.21 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 9
Seat 2: Player2 ( $26.49 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 10
Seat 3: Hero ( $14.23 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 39669
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.21 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 31
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.97 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 33, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.78 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc 3c ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$0.30 USD]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Kh, 5c ]
Hero bets [$1.20 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.20 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$1.50 USD]
Hero calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
Hero bets [$3.60 USD]
Player1 raises [$7.51 USD]
Hero calls [$3.91 USD]
Player1 shows [Ks, Kd ]
Hero shows [Kc, 3c ]
Player1 wins $21.46 USD from main pot

 

[Figaroo2]

Rhombus
Dealt to Hero in BB [ Kc 3c ]
Fold pre to a virtual unknown. We dont have any reason to know if he is raising light.
SB and BB 3Betting Range (Versus CO/BTN Raise) our suggested range = 14-15%

 

[Figaroo2]

Problem hand of the evening

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 04:20:23 ET 2014
Table Alleghenia III (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $52.71 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, Ag% 37, Hands: 122
Seat 2: Player2 ( $47.91 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: 5.0, Hands: 129
Seat 4: Player4 ( $14.59 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, Ag% 27, Hands: 238
Seat 6: Player6 ( $24.40 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.2, Hands: 173
Seat 9: Player9 ( $23.39 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 10.5, Hands: 428
Player6 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player9 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ks ]
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player6 folds
Player9 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 2h, 7h ]
Hero bets [$1.32 USD]
Player4 calls [$1.32 USD] had a few problems shaking off this sticky fishy villain all evening
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Hero bets [$3.21 USD]
Player4 calls [$3.21 USD] Is he calling with a draw here or just slowing playing a set.
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero ?? Check call? Up to how much? Thin value bet?

 

[Figaroo2]

What do we think of this line? Just sat down at a 50nl table.

(Poker Stars) $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 05:00:38 ET 2014
Table Probitas III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $80.54 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 4.2, Hands: 413
Seat 2: Player2 ( $0.50 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 8
Seat 4: Player4 ( $50.78 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 24
Seat 5: Hero ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AG% 22, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Player6 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 8: Player8 ( $55.59 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
Seat 9: Player9 ( $58.08 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 117 (I must have played this guy at 25nl)
Player9 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Td Ah ]
Player2 folds
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD] The BB is a rock and all in between are zero 3 bet stats.
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 calls [$1.25 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 5d, Qh ]
Player9 bets [$2.00 USD] Stats show he donk bets 14% so I call with the back door nut flush/str and over card looking to take this away on a later street. When they donk out on the flop I always stop to look at this stat.
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Player9 bets [$2.50 USD]
Hero calls [$2.50 USD] He has to be concerned about the flush after I called the flop. I could have raised here?
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
Player9 bets [$3.00 USD] I'm not really sure what he is repping here with this bet its like 1/4 pot . His stats show one previous triple barrel and 40% agg on the river. It smells of a weak queen or Ax where he hit a pair with his kicker.
Hero raises [$11.50 USD]
Player9 folds
Hero wins $8.50 USD
Hero wins $17.67 USD from main pot

 

[Fisi]

I was playing Rush to build up some volume till had problems with Hand Historys /HUD.

I thought alot of the fish players were alot tighter than normal as they can quickly move onto the next hand, although other players noticed that so start to open up more

Yeah

 

[Fisi]

It kind of depends on the sizing. Mostly, if they are opening small (like min raise on the button for example), then their calling range is going to widen and a c-bet is profitable. If SPR is getting tight, Then still betting a little over 1/2 pot and giving up is profitable because they will generally fold 33% of the time or more. It's hard to give a general answer here, but if you feel comfortable with your post flop game, you can also flat these hands sometimes and c/c dry flops and lead the turn.

Thanks, that's a great answer.

 

[Fisi]

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 04:20:23 ET 2014
Table Alleghenia III (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $52.71 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, Ag% 37, Hands: 122
Seat 2: Player2 ( $47.91 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: 5.0, Hands: 129
Seat 4: Player4 ( $14.59 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, Ag% 27, Hands: 238
Seat 6: Player6 ( $24.40 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 4, AF: 1.2, Hands: 173
Seat 9: Player9 ( $23.39 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 10.5, Hands: 428
Player6 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player9 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ks ]
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player6 folds
Player9 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 2h, 7h ]
Hero bets [$1.32 USD]
Player4 calls [$1.32 USD] had a few problems shaking off this sticky fishy villain all evening
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Hero bets [$3.21 USD]
Player4 calls [$3.21 USD] Is he calling with a draw here or just slowing playing a set.
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero ?? Check call? Up to how much? Thin value bet?

I'm thin value-betting here. He probably calls with his 9x, medium pairs (66,88), hands like T8, T9, so there's a lot of value to get here. He seems passive, so he probably won't bet his missed draws if checked to him here, so there's not much value in that line. If he raises your bet on the river it's an obvious fold.

 

[Fisi]

(Poker Stars) $50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 05:00:38 ET 2014
Table Probitas III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $80.54 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 4.2, Hands: 413
Seat 2: Player2 ( $0.50 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 8
Seat 4: Player4 ( $50.78 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 24
Seat 5: Hero ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AG% 22, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Player6 ( $50.00 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 61
Seat 8: Player8 ( $55.59 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
Seat 9: Player9 ( $58.08 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 117 (I must have played this guy at 25nl)
Player9 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Td Ah ]
Player2 folds
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD] The BB is a rock and all in between are zero 3 bet stats.
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 calls [$1.25 USD]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 5d, Qh ]
Player9 bets [$2.00 USD] Stats show he donk bets 14% so I call with the back door nut flush/str and over card looking to take this away on a later street. When they donk out on the flop I always stop to look at this stat.
Hero calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Player9 bets [$2.50 USD]
Hero calls [$2.50 USD] He has to be concerned about the flush after I called the flop. I could have raised here?
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
Player9 bets [$3.00 USD] I'm not really sure what he is repping here with this bet its like 1/4 pot . His stats show one previous triple barrel and 40% agg on the river. It smells of a weak queen or Ax where he hit a pair with his kicker.
Hero raises [$11.50 USD]
Player9 folds
Hero wins $8.50 USD
Hero wins $17.67 USD from main pot

He doesn't seem to be a big fish, so when he donks I would put him on weak(er) queens, and perhaps some medium paris (88-TT, perhaps JJ), maybe A7s A5s. He seems passive, and I guess he would c/c with his flush draws + he would have probably bet bigger later if he hit his flush. Given that he triple-barreled, I think he has mostly Qx here, I don't think he would fire 3 barrels with a hand like A7s or 99.

 

[rhombus]

Rhombus
Dealt to Hero in BB [ Kc 3c ]
Fold pre to a virtual unknown. We dont have any reason to know if he is raising light.
SB and BB 3Betting Range (Versus CO/BTN Raise) our suggested range = 14-15%

Kind of playing blindfolded without HUD and you guys have turned me into a 3betting machine

New month and just opened HEM and there was an update sp hopefully if i play cash later it will be working ok. Guess i need to target 3 Bets against the right opponent, high fold to 3 bets and the ones that open/steal alot

 

[John A]

EEK profits for the month wiped out ended up 43 cents down LOL)

Bad Beat (95% fav) + Tilt + cooler flush over flush + hand below (put him on AK, KQs when they called turn) and decided to give up for the day

Think I might wait for Zoom fix for Pokerstars HUD before playing again although not sure if would have made a difference

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 31, 06:21:21 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg 2 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.21 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 9
Seat 2: Player2 ( $26.49 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 10
Seat 3: Hero ( $14.23 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 39669
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.21 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 31
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.97 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 33, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
Seat 6: Player6 ( $5.78 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc 3c ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$0.30 USD]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Kh, 5c ]
Hero bets [$1.20 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.20 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$1.50 USD]
Hero calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
Hero bets [$3.60 USD]
Player1 raises [$7.51 USD]
Hero calls [$3.91 USD]
Player1 shows [Ks, Kd ]
Hero shows [Kc, 3c ]
Player1 wins $21.46 USD from main pot

Quick but important note. Avoid 3-betting short stack players OOP with bluff hands. In position, sometimes is fine. The reason being is that they are bad and short stacked for a reason, and with only such a small re-raise, they are going to find reasons to call, which isn't the position you want to be in with these types of hands. Look to the 3-bet the close to full size players or regs, but also, increase your 3-betting size OOP a little. There's some that argue this doesn't matter quite as much as it used to, and I would agree with that, but it does still matter and effect fold equity. And with these hands OOP, you want good FE.

nm... I thought this was 20nl for some reason. Well, my comment applies to other spots, but just increase the sizing in this case.

 

[rhombus]

Quick but important note. Avoid 3-betting short stack players OOP with bluff hands. In position, sometimes is fine. The reason being is that they are bad and short stacked for a reason, and with only such a small re-raise, they are going to find reasons to call, which isn't the position you want to be in with these types of hands. Look to the 3-bet the close to full size players or regs, but also, increase your 3-betting size OOP a little. There's some that argue this doesn't matter quite as much as it used to, and I would agree with that, but it does still matter and effect fold equity. And with these hands OOP, you want good FE.

nm... I thought this was 20nl for some reason. Well, my comment applies to other spots, but just increase the sizing in this case.

Thanks just checkd my position stats for last month and overall 3bet was 16 which is a little on high side but from the blinds probably at ridiculous level 15.6 and 17.4.

 

[John A]

Yeah, you're falling into that category now where you're trying to solve every hand pre-flop instead of post. You want to balance this out much more. And 15 and 17 from the blinds is absurd. At higher stakes you'd get extremely exploited there. It's much more difficult to exploit someone when they have position though. I'd work on getting your overall 3-bet in the 10% range if you want to have an aggressive but more balanced 3-bet game. That's good that your experimenting though, so keep up the good work there.

 

[rhombus]

Thanks

Definitley been experimenting with the 3bets and trying to close gap between PFR and VPIP for last few months since July 1st
10K Hands VPIP30 PFR24.5 3BET 14.9

Pre 1st July
30K Hands VPIP 24.8 PFR 16.6 3BET 5.27

so think keep VPIP/PFR Ratio close and lower 3 bet OOP unless the player is high 3better which will naturall lower it nearer 10%

Also aware not to artificially try and get stats to optimum levels, and let them get there through solid play

 

[John A]

Yeah, it's looking better. Just have to get the 3-bet down and focus on most of your 3-bet bluffs coming from in position. I think my overall 3-bet % is 8.7%, just to give you a general idea.

 

[Figaroo2]

help needed with this villain

(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 05, 03:46:59 ET 2014
Table Kippes III (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.45 USD ) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 3
Seat 2: Player2 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 8, AF: 2.6, Hands: 436
Seat 3: Player3 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 4, PFR: 4, 3B: 9, AF: 0.0, Hands: 28
Seat 4: Player4 ( $18.52 USD ) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 39
Seat 5: Player5 ( $34.63 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 118
Seat 6: Player6 ( $25.25 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.1, Hands: 503
Seat 7: Player7 ( $26.51 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 9, AF: 1.8, Hands: 171
Seat 9: Hero ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 7.1, Ag%67, Hands: 48

Player1 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah Qs ]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$0.25 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 raises [$2.25 USD] OK I had a good look at his stats here and he is raising plenty from the BB so I decide to flat here....What do we think of the flat? I have a note on this guy saying he is tricky but not why. It doesn't feel like a hand I want to 4 bet fold to a shove.
Player4 folds
Hero calls [$1.75 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 6s, Kh ]
Player2 bets [$2.55 USD] he cbets oop 83% I'm calling here to see if he is a one and done merchant
Hero calls [$2.55 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
Player2 checks
Hero bets [$4.99 USD] ( I clicked half pot here....should I bet bigger?)
Player2 calls [$4.99 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
Player2 checks
Hero ?? Do we carry on and ship it in or just give up here? I can't really see him folding a decent K here now the flush draws miss.

 

[rhombus]

does the top line mean im running like $h1T

 

[John A]

The flat is fine, but against someone with reasonable aggression at FR, I'd just raise/fold the flop instead of float. This will put him to a decision quickly and can probably get him to fold out JJ/QQ often enough at these level to be profitable. I don't mind the float either, as it's close between raising or floating hoping he stops on the turn, but it's my opinion that in a 3-bet pot with position, you're probably better off making a stand on the flop.

As played, turn is fine. I don't think you need to bet more than half, but I'd give up on that run out on the river w/o better info. You're going to get called too often if he c/c's that turn.

 

[rhombus]

Few hands from tonight
1) Is it possible to get away from bearing in mind their stats. Had similar hand yesterday QQv AA but they were a NIT so should have folded
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 05, 05:35:56 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.29 USD ) - VPIP: 5, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 40
Seat 2: Player2 ( $10.08 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 26
Seat 3: Player3 ( $11.13 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 4: Hero ( $12.43 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 42393
Seat 5: Player5 ( $6.61 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
Seat 6: Player6 ( $12.62 USD ) - VPIP: 42, PFR: 33, 3B: 11, AF: 0.0, Hands: 24
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Qh ]
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 raises [$1.05 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$0.75 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 5c, Td ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets [$1.30 USD]
Hero calls [$1.30 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets [$3.10 USD]
Hero raises [$8.51 USD]
Player6 raises [$7.17 USD]
Hero calls [$1.57 USD]
Player6 wins $0.19 USD
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero shows [Qd, Qh ]
Player6 shows [Ac, As ]
Player6 wins $23.88 USD from main pot

2) BLuff Went Wrong - was trying to get them to fold JJ or QQ (probably tilted)

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 05, 06:17:46 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg 2 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $34.35 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 13, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
Seat 2: Player2 ( $9.85 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 6
Seat 3: Player3 ( $8.90 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Seat 4: Player4 ( $10.10 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 6.0, Hands: 99
Seat 5: Hero ( $22.89 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 42393
Seat 6: Player6 ( $11.08 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 25
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac 7c ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.30 USD]
Player1 raises [$1.15 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [$1.05 USD]
Hero calls [$0.85 USD]
Player6 calls [$0.85 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 9c, Kc ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks
Player6 checks
Player1 bets [$2.22 USD]
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$2.22 USD]
Player6 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
Hero checks
Player1 checks
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
Hero bets [$5.60 USD]
Player1 raises [$13.95 USD]
Hero folds
Player1 wins $8.35 USD
Player1 wins $19.38 USD from main pot

3) CR FLop???
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 05, 05:51:58 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $22.27 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 30, 3B: 25, AF: 4.0, Hands: 10
Seat 2: Player2 ( $6.80 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 50, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 6
Seat 3: Player3 ( $15.56 USD ) - VPIP: 63, PFR: 38, 3B: 25, AF: 4.0, Hands: 8
Seat 4: Hero ( $19.16 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 42393
Seat 5: Player5 ( $4.75 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 2
Seat 6: Player6 ( $9.20 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Td Th ]
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 raises [$0.80 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 9h, 4h ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$1.00 USD]
Hero calls [$1.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$2.10 USD]
Hero calls [$2.10 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Hero checks
Player1 bets [$4.90 USD]
Hero calls [$4.90 USD]
Player1 shows [Jd, Kd ]
Player1 wins $16.95 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [Td, Th ]

4) How to Maximise Value??
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 05, 05:29:00 ET 2014
Table Klinkenberg 2 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $11.49 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 36, 3B: 40, AF: 0.0, Hands: 11
Seat 2: Hero ( $17.35 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.9, Hands: 42393
Seat 3: Player3 ( $14.90 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
Seat 4: Player4 ( $11.88 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 9
Seat 6: Player6 ( $25.99 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 14, 3B: 33, AF: 1.0, Hands: 7
Hero posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Js Jc ]
Player4 raises [$0.30 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero calls [$0.25 USD]
Player3 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 8c, 4d ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$0.40 USD]
Hero calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$0.70 USD]
Hero calls [$0.70 USD]
Player4 shows [8h, 8s ]
Hero shows [Js, Jc ]
Hero wins $2.77 USD from main pot

 

[Figaroo2]

Hand 1. There really isn't much hope of getting away from that hand with his vpip. The only real clue would be his agg factor of zero. Hes shaping up to be one of these preflop aggro types who don't know how to play post flop..If you raise on the flop which would be perfectly reasonable here imo and then he ships it, thats a big red flag. Even then id struggle to fold here.

Hand 2. Its simply not a good bluffing hand as you wont be able to get anyone with a full house to fold. Again zero agg factor and this guy is raising pre and then betting into two people with less than tptk...I dont think JJ QQ would bet like this here.

H3
Yes absolutely rr the flop and make it big enough to charge the draws. You have the best hand on the flop on a wettish board against a guy who has 3 bet and cbet and could have an overpair and be willing to go with it right here.
Tough to put him on JK here im not getting away from it either as played.

H4
Bit of a tough spot actually.
As he is utg I suppose calling in the SB with JJ is acceptable but at the bottom end of our calling range. Not sure id like to play it oop with overcards on a flop without the initiative, which is what is going to happen more often than not right?
I won’t be calling with many hands from the blinds when facing a raise from EP or MP from a reg, maybe just top 4%. Perhaps some set mining against weaker players who wont recognise you hitting a set.
The alternative is raise pre and take control of the hand.
From the SB here I'm happy just to take it down with a 3 bet, its going to look pretty strong... If he calls your 3 bet and then you hit your set it is much easier to get stacks in as the pot is already inflated. If you end up getting 4 bet though are you going to flat that?
As played you also gave straight draws every chance of making it, asking for trouble, have another good look at this hand and think it through...

 

[John A]

does the top line mean im running like $h1T

Mmm... it means you're not doing great when you're all-in. But all-in EV is not an indicator of whether you're running well or not. People get really confused by this I think. It just means when you did get it in, you're below expectation, which can easily happen in small samples. Running good or bad is much more complex than that though. You can be making a ton of really big second best hands and running into the nuts, or hitting hands and no one is making decent second best hands to pay you off, or not playing against enough fish (opponent variance), etc... etc...

 

[rhombus]

Hand 1. There really isn't much hope of getting away from that hand with his vpip. The only real clue would be his agg factor of zero. Hes shaping up to be one of these preflop aggro types who don't know how to play post flop..If you raise on the flop which would be perfectly reasonable here imo and then he ships it, thats a big red flag. Even then id struggle to fold here.

Hand 2. Its simply not a good bluffing hand as you wont be able to get anyone with a full house to fold. Again zero agg factor and this guy is raising pre and then betting into two people with less than tptk...I dont think JJ QQ would bet like this here.

H3
Yes absolutely rr the flop and make it big enough to charge the draws. You have the best hand on the flop on a wettish board against a guy who has 3 bet and cbet and could have an overpair and be willing to go with it right here.
Tough to put him on JK here im not getting away from it either as played.

H4
Bit of a tough spot actually.
As he is utg I suppose calling in the SB with JJ is acceptable but at the bottom end of our calling range. Not sure id like to play it oop with overcards on a flop without the initiative, which is what is going to happen more often than not right?
I won’t be calling with many hands from the blinds when facing a raise from EP or MP from a reg, maybe just top 4%. Perhaps some set mining against weaker players who wont recognise you hitting a set.
The alternative is raise pre and take control of the hand.
From the SB here I'm happy just to take it down with a 3 bet, its going to look pretty strong... If he calls your 3 bet and then you hit your set it is much easier to get stacks in as the pot is already inflated. If you end up getting 4 bet though are you going to flat that?
As played you also gave straight draws every chance of making it, asking for trouble, have another good look at this hand and think it through...

Thanks Figaroo,

Hand 1 just checked HUD replayer and looks like they havent sorted out Zoom fully as they had Aggression of 12. Although same thing difficult to fold against this type of player
Hand 2 looking back suicidal at this level, prob only going to fold out AQ and even then not likely - Agg not correct again theres was 4.0
Hand 3 Definitely agree

Hand 4 didnt want to 3bet preflop as OOP and didnt fancy being 4bet. Maybe donk lead to make it look like i had mediocre hand or a draw and call their shove.

Although that would only happen if they had 88 or overpair, I always tend to wait for them to bet but board kept getting scarier and scarier for both players