Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Sneaky Feet]

Well this session sucked. I really have to learn to read the post-it note that's on my computer.... Actually I do have a question about this one. Villain is a major fish and had called me through with a pair of 2s earlier. I figured that he had a pair but I didn't put him on a Jack. Maybe I'm just being blind to my own leaks but my read on this guy was no matter what I did he wasn't getting off the hand so I tried to build. I felt that if he had a Jack he would have called the turn instead of raising it as I've got notes on this guy from earlier play that he calls with any pair.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 16, 09:21:25 ET 2014
Table Aura III (real money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5.15 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, hands: 82
Seat 2: Hero ( $6.10 USD ) -
Seat 3: Player3 ( $3.78 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 59
Seat 4: Player4 ( $7.37 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 159
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.22 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 109
Seat 6: Player6 ( $4.43 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 80
Seat 7: Player7 ( $5.45 USD ) - VPIP: 55, PFR: 45, 3B: 8, AF: 10.0, Hands: 42
Player3 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Ah ]
Player5 folds
Player6 calls [$0.05 USD]
Player7 raises [$0.15 USD]
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.45 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 calls [$0.30 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Jc, 5h ]
Player7 bets [$0.45 USD]
Hero raises [$1.20 USD]
Player7 calls [$0.75 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
Player7 bets [$1.10 USD]
Hero raises [$2.70 USD]
Player7 raises [$2.70 USD]
Hero calls [$1.10 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
Player7 shows [8h, 8c ]
Hero shows [Ks, Ah ]
Player7 wins $10.56 USD from main pot

 

[Sneaky Feet]

I stopped after this hand. A few rounds earlier I had used the c/call, lead the turn on this guy and it had worked quite well so with the hand I had and the flop texture the only way I felt I had a chance to win the pot was to do the same again. Turn card was a little too nice I guess.

I quit a couple hands after this one, I wasn't getting anywhere and felt like I was chasing. Would this be considered a cooler? Now that I see this again the way this hand went I don't know if I should have played through.

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$5.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 16, 09:35:25 ET 2014
Table Aura III (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $6.09 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 82
Seat 2: Hero ( $5.33 USD ) -
Seat 3: Player3 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 35
Seat 4: Player4 ( $7.34 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 159
Seat 5: Player5 ( $5.00 USD ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 109
Seat 6: Player6 ( $4.80 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 58
Seat 7: Player7 ( $9.08 USD ) - VPIP: 55, PFR: 45, 3B: 8, AF: 10.0, Hands: 42
Seat 9: Player9 ( $3.77 USD ) - VPIP: 80, PFR: 33, 3B: 29, AF: 2.0, Hands: 15
Player1 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.05 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 2c 2h ]
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.20 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
Player9 calls [$0.20 USD]
Player1 folds
Hero calls [$0.15 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Ah, Qd ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$0.29 USD]
Player9 folds
Hero calls [$0.29 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
Hero bets [$0.50 USD]
Player4 raises [$1.00 USD]
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [$1.53 USD]
Hero raises [$3.84 USD]
Player4 calls [$2.31 USD]
Hero shows [2c, 2h ]
Player4 shows [Ac, As ]
Player4 wins $10.43 USD from main pot

 

[Figaroo2]

AK. After he calls your flop raise you should be giving him credit for something better than your ace high. Fold to his turn lead even fish can have a hand! Get your money in against this one with tpgk and he should be easy meat.
22 fold on the flop, he is a tight player 13/12 you set mined and missed, the flop hits his range he isnt going away often enough here. You can try to push him off flops like k83 Q95 J72 but not AQx.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

AK. After he calls your flop raise you should be giving him credit for something better than your ace high. Fold to his turn lead even fish can have a hand! Get your money in against this one with tpgk and he should be easy meat.
22 fold on the flop, he is a tight player 13/12 you set mined and missed, the flop hits his range he isnt going away often enough here. You can try to push him off flops like k83 Q95 J72 but not AQx.

Thanks Fig. I was up half the night thinking about how poorly I played those hands. I woke up at 3:30 chiding myself. Good advice on both hands thanks again and I've got notes all over the fish for the next time. I couldn't believe he still stayed in the hand with only a pair of 8's.... Then again, I didn't do any better...

On the hand with 22 I completely see what you mean. He's way too tight to try to set mine with that flop.

 

[Figaroo2]

On the hand with 22 I completely see what you mean. He's way too tight to try to set mine with that flop.[/QUOTE] Re your last sentence;
Its perfectly ok to set mine against this player he is tight and may pay you off if he hits a good hand. But once you miss that particular flop id be giving up to his cbet.

 

[fishinthesea]

Hi guys! I'm having a little trouble with the configuration of bovada hand catcher and PT4. It's not saving my hand histories. I followed the instructions on the tutorial. I have all my saved hands re-directed here: Configuration---> Site and Import options ---> pokerstars---> C:\Program Files (x86)\Ace Poker Solutions\Bovada Card Catcher\Handhistories. Please help! thanks

 

[Fisi]

AK. After he calls your flop raise you should be giving him credit for something better than your ace high. Fold to his turn lead even fish can have a hand! Get your money in against this one with tpgk and he should be easy meat.
22 fold on the flop, he is a tight player 13/12 you set mined and missed, the flop hits his range he isnt going away often enough here. You can try to push him off flops like k83 Q95 J72 but not AQx.

Well put

 

[Fisi]

Are you guys playing on regular tables on iPoker? I play speed and all the guys there are pretty much nits and regulars. Maybe 1 one in 70 players has an vpip over 50

 

[magicius]

Are you guys playing on regular tables on iPoker? I play speed and all the guys there are pretty much nits and regulars. Maybe 1 one in 70 players has an vpip over 50

yes ofc they wont have high vpip... how hard is to quick fold till you get nice hand.... on reg tables on other hand ppl will call with weaker hands and hope to hit flop... also hm2/pt only counts hand you saw them playing... so that stats are kinda tricky for speed poker....
basicly if you sit on table every hand till end you will have better stats on vilians

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[fishinthesea]

Hi guys! I'm having a little trouble with the configuration of bovada hand catcher and PT4. It's not saving my hand histories. I followed the instructions on the tutorial. I have all my saved hands re-directed here: Configuration---> Site and Import options ---> Pokerstars---> C:\Program Files (x86)\Ace Poker Solutions\Bovada Card Catcher\Handhistories. Please help! thanks

Nevermind I figured it out! Will be posting some hands in the near future.

 

[fishinthesea]

Did I do the right move here by folding at the end? He called my re-raise twice, and I bet very large every single time. Not much info..

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 135.2 BB (VPIP: 35.82, PFR: 10.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
BB: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 102.76 BB (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
MP: 103.08 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 63)
Hero (CO): 114.96 BB
BTN: 101.36 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 94)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ A♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) J♥ 6♠ 9♠
BB bets 2 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, BB calls 9 BB

Turn: (28.4 BB, 2 players) Q♣
BB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 23.84 BB, BB calls 18.84 BB

River: (76.08 BB, 2 players) 8♠
BB bets 89.76 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 72.28 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Looks like a good fold, the stat that would help would be post flop aggression, if that is low its a clear fold. His pfr is low so he doesnt seem to be too agg and for someone like that to shove the river smacks of the nuts, KT spades or similar fits the small donk lead hoping to draw cheaply.
Personally I would have just called it down from the turn rather than reraised a 2nd time.

 

[fishinthesea]

Ok, this one seemed pretty basic.. but when i 4-bet him and he flat called does it narrow his range down to a calling range like KJ KQ AQ AJ, or how do I know he's not on some low pocket pair, which I definitely would have lost too. Obvious fish though.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 409.48 BB
BB: 24.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 53.44 BB (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 42.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 90.16 BB (VPIP: 58.49, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
CO: 27.28 BB (VPIP: 39.68, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ K♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16.68 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 12.68 BB

Flop: (36.36 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 2♥ 5♦
Hero bets 18.16 BB, MP calls 18.16 BB

Turn: (72.68 BB, 2 players) T♣
Hero bets 40.44 BB, MP calls 40.44 BB

River: (153.56 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 15.04 BB, MP calls 14.88 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A♠ K♥ (One Pair, Fives)
Hero wins 175.32 BB

 

[Sneaky Feet]

This hand felt pretty nice but I wonder if I should have tried to extract a little more on the river. I'm at work right now (shhh!) so I can't post stats but I didn't have many hands on villain, maybe 30 and I seem to recall his VPIP was around 18.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($8.76)
CO ($4.93)
Button ($5.14)
SB ($7.67)
BB ($1.47)
Hero (UTG) ($5.22)
UTG+1 ($4.57)
MP1 ($2.09)
MP2 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, 9

Hero raises to $0.15, 6 folds, SB raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.35) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $1.50

Total pot: $8.35 | Rake: $0.35

Results below:

Spoiler

SB didn't show
Hero had 9

, 9

(full house, nines over threes).
Outcome: Hero won $8

Villain ended up with KK

 

[Fisi]

yes ofc they wont have high vpip... how hard is to quick fold till you get nice hand.... on reg tables on other hand ppl will call with weaker hands and hope to hit flop... also hm2/pt only counts hand you saw them playing... so that stats are kinda tricky for speed poker....
basicly if you sit on table every hand till end you will have better stats on vilians

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Obviously But a little more fish wouldn't hurt..
HM2 saves whole hands, no need to wait to the end though

 

[Fisi]

Ok, this one seemed pretty basic.. but when i 4-bet him and he flat called does it narrow his range down to a calling range like KJ KQ AQ AJ, or how do I know he's not on some low pocket pair, which I definitely would have lost too. Obvious fish though.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 409.48 BB
BB: 24.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: 53.44 BB (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 42.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 90.16 BB (VPIP: 58.49, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
CO: 27.28 BB (VPIP: 39.68, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ K♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16.68 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 12.68 BB

Flop: (36.36 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 2♥ 5♦
Hero bets 18.16 BB, MP calls 18.16 BB

Turn: (72.68 BB, 2 players) T♣
Hero bets 40.44 BB, MP calls 40.44 BB

River: (153.56 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 15.04 BB, MP calls 14.88 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A♠ K♥ (One Pair, Fives)
Hero wins 175.32 BB

I'm not too sure if I like the second barrel. I think our fold equity is low. He isn't folding any of his pocket pairs, and I think that he folds most of his KQ/KJ type hands on the flop. He might have Ax in his range, which we might get value from though. It's a tough spot. If he is a fish, the way you played it might just be the best way to do it.

Agree with the fold on the first one though, pretty much everything got there. I like the turn raise, we're still getting value from a lot of TP, pairs + draws and draws.

 

[Fisi]

This hand felt pretty nice but I wonder if I should have tried to extract a little more on the river. I'm at work right now (shhh!) so I can't post stats but I didn't have many hands on villain, maybe 30 and I seem to recall his VPIP was around 18.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP3 ($8.76)
CO ($4.93)
Button ($5.14)
SB ($7.67)
BB ($1.47)
Hero (UTG) ($5.22)
UTG+1 ($4.57)
MP1 ($2.09)
MP2 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, 9

Hero raises to $0.15, 6 folds, SB raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 3

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.35) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $1.50

Total pot: $8.35 | Rake: $0.35

Results below:

Spoiler

SB didn't show
Hero had 9

, 9

(full house, nines over threes).
Outcome: Hero won $8

Villain ended up with KK

I like raising wet flops like this, because we have a wider percieved range, and villan will call lighter and reraise lighter. Also turn cards that complete draws will kill your action, just like it did in your example, so getting the most money in early is a priority here. The way it was played is ok, I probably would have bet half pot on turn, and half pot on river, if he checks to you.

 

[magicius]

Obviously But a little more fish wouldn't hurt..
HM2 saves whole hands, no need to wait to the end though

i still belive hm2 doesnt save a hand when you leave table and see what happened....

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[Fisi]

i still belive hm2 doesnt save a hand when you leave table and see what happened....

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Nah man, you can go in the session review window and play through the whole hands, even though you fast folded.

 

[fishinthesea]

Ok, so I've played over 3k hands, pretty small sample size. But I looked at my stats and it says I'm losing the majority of my money in the BB. I see myself 3-betting a lot of speculative hands versus people with high VPIP. Should I tighten my range in the BB and stop 3-betting speculative hands like A5o+ or cold call more often? I'm so lost. Overall, i'm up like 4 buy ins at 25nl but I feel like if I plug my big blind losses I'd be up like 10 buy ins atm...

 

[magicius]

Ok, so I've played over 3k hands, pretty small sample size. But I looked at my stats and it says I'm losing the majority of my money in the BB. I see myself 3-betting a lot of speculative hands versus people with high VPIP. Should I tighten my range in the BB and stop 3-betting speculative hands like A5o+ or cold call more often? I'm so lost. Overall, i'm up like 4 buy ins at 25nl but I feel like if I plug my big blind losses I'd be up like 10 buy ins atm...

thats a big leak... stop defending bb with crap hands like A5o... it is normal to have biggest - from bb due to folding but you really should tighten up,maybe pocket pairs,Axs,and broadway cards,also when you tighten up and 3bet from bb u will cut loses a bit

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[Sneaky Feet]

Right call? I had to think about this one a bit...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

MP1 ($2.41)
MP2 ($3.46)
CO ($0.80)
Button ($1.84)
SB ($0.89)
Hero (BB) ($2.56)
UTG ($2.24)
UTG+1 ($1.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, Q

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, CO (poster) calls $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.33) A

, 10

, K

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.33) 9

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.14, UTG+1 calls $0.14, 2 folds

River: ($0.61) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.53, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.61 | Rake: $0.02

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG+1 didn't show

 

[rhombus]

When the river is a brick and they bet nearly pot an easy fold with just Kings they prob have min 2 pairs, may have even hit set of 6s on river

 

[Figaroo2]

Ok, so I've played over 3k hands, pretty small sample size. But I looked at my stats and it says I'm losing the majority of my money in the BB. I see myself 3-betting a lot of speculative hands versus people with high VPIP. Should I tighten my range in the BB and stop 3-betting speculative hands like A5o+ or cold call more often? I'm so lost. Overall, i'm up like 4 buy ins at 25nl but I feel like if I plug my big blind losses I'd be up like 10 buy ins atm...

Leakbuster recommends playing between 13-30% of hands from the bb. Nearly everyone loses from the bb as you are out of position to all except the sb. 3 betting A5 off is ok as long as the button is opening pretty wide.

 

[Figaroo2]

Re the AK hand

I'm not too sure if I like the second barrel. I think our fold equity is low. He isn't folding any of his pocket pairs, and I think that he folds most of his KQ/KJ type hands on the flop. He might have Ax in his range, which we might get value from though. It's a tough spot. If he is a fish, the way you played it might just be the best way to do it.

Agree with the fold on the first one though, pretty much everything got there. I like the turn raise, we're still getting value from a lot of TP, pairs + draws and draws.

I have to agree here you were lucky on this hand that he had nothing at all.
The second barrell against a player with this profile is usually just a good way to spew off your chips. Just wait for a hand and value bet them dont try to bluff a calling station like this player. I have a few nice examples i will post latet when I get home.