Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

So if he would have been in the cut off or button this would have been a better place to bet 5x (so $.50!) villain's bet to try and steal? That just seems like so much!

I definitely see how if I would have bet bigger on the flop it may have pushed villain off a reraise to either a call or fold. And like you have said if he shoves then it's an easy fold.

Thanks for your insight. There's so much to learn.

No, I was saying that your opponent is opening 5x, and to 3-bet that small OOP isn't ideal. I wouldn't mind 3-betting that size of open IF it had come from later position. Maybe I didn't say that clearly. Hope that makes more sense.

 

[John A]

Definately will check it out and give some feedback. The one I use is set up like this:

Name/Total hands
VPIP/PFR/AF/WTSD
3-bet/Fold to 3-bet/Cbet/ Fold to Cbet
RFI CO/RFI BTN/RFI SB
Fold to steal from SB/ 3-bet steal from SB/Fold to steal from BB/3-bet steal from BB

I feel like it gives a pretty good idea about one's game when defending blinds and stealing. I guess you're playing back with light ranges here most often, so it helps me to get a better idea of my opponent's game in these spots.

Thanks for sharing. My only comment is that the stats like RFI CO, BTN etc... are just kind of clutter. You can pretty much know about what this is going to be based on other stats. It's more important to know the EP and MP that I have in the hitman HUD and if those happen to be tight, then you can estimate what the later position ones will be pretty easily.

You have to remember, the stats you're looking at aren't exact any ways, unless you have like 150k hands on your opponent. So use the ones that will be most relevant. I want to know how much someone is opening in EP and MP so I know when to 3-bet them more, and then based on vpip/pfr and those, it's super easy to put someone on a stealing range.

Same with folding to a steal. I will know what kind of player is going to over defend and float me more based on the other stats I have in there. I don't need to know that exact number, because it's very well going to be misleading.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[John A]

John
Just a small thing but in the PDF you have used nutball header twice... nits grandma a nutball!
I have now watched these two videos in full. More terrific free training, John you are a diamond. I have posted a link in my twitter and facebook accounts.
I managed to wipe all my hud settings last week so another big help that I can just download your hitman hud, thank you.
I haven't done any volume in the last week due to work. http://www.highstakesdb.com/4611-poker-player-mehmet-hassan-beaten-to-death-in-london-flat.aspx
I will feedback on the hud when i've had a decent usage.

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. I'll look at the PDF again and fix that. And I appreciate the sharing too, that's how I know you do really like it an are benefiting from it.

Is that article related to your work?

 

[Sneaky Feet]

No, I was saying that your opponent is opening 5x, and to 3-bet that small OOP isn't ideal. I wouldn't mind 3-betting that size of open IF it had come from later position. Maybe I didn't say that clearly. Hope that makes more sense.

Thanks John that makes much more sense. This it part if the reason I've taken a bit of a step back from this discussion. Although I do follow it I'm still (obviously) struggling with the lingo and I don't want to waste yours or anyone else's time. Thanks again for you clearing that up for me.

 

[Figaroo2]

sticky fish nutball cross

This guy was tricky to play against, once in the hand he usually played it reasonably agg to the river and bet about 3/4 of the pot whether he had it or not. I had about 100 hands against him and only picked up one pair of queens and one AK, so it was tough to 3 bet him for value in fact I didn't want to 3 bet my value hands for deception.
Other players raised his limp and he often called up to about 15bb.. but he usually just folded if I raised x3.

How are we best to exploit these stats on the hit man hud? see below.
There are lots of players like this on ipoker (bet365) generally I just play low risk weak tight until I pick up a hand... any other suggestions for handling him?

I did eventually get a good piece of him with a hand from the bb but raised too big on the river. I ended up picking him off bit by bit by calling him down which was tricky and he took me a few times for 30 bb or so.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $4.78 (47.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $14.26 (142.6 bb)
UTG: $3.65 (36.5 bb)
MP: $8 (80 bb)
CO: $11.37 (113.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4c 6s
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) 3c 4h 2h (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.40) 4d (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, (Villian in CO will stab here) CO bets $1.40, SB folds, Hero calls $1.40 (he is shrewd enough to fold to a re-raise on the turn)
River: ($4.20) Kc (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.30, Hero raises to $9.87, CO folds
CO mucked and lost (-$5.10 net)

This hand below is somewhat typical and why you had to call him down
he picked up a lot of 30-40bb hands on the river.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
MP: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
CO: $7.18 (71.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.91 (149.1 bb)
SB: $10.06 (100.6 bb)
BB: $7.44 (74.4 bb) our nutball fish

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7h 8h
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) Ac 9c Jc (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.60) Js (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero folds, SB calls $0.50

River: ($1.60) 8c (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, BB raises to $1.70, SB calls $1.40

Results: $5 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: Ac 9c Jc Js 8c
SB showed Td Th and won $4.67 ($2.27 net)
BB showed 3s 2s and lost (-$2.40 net)


IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
CO: $12.35 (123.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $18.69 (186.9 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $6.20 (62 bb)
MP: $9.76 (97.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah 8s
MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.35) 9h Ac 5d (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.17, BB calls $0.17, MP calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.86) Kd (3 players)
BB bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, BB folds

River: ($2.56) 5h (2 players)
MP bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Results: $5.96 pot ($0.39 rake)
Final Board: 9h Ac 5d Kd 5h
Hero mucked Ah 8s and lost (-$2.77 net)
MP showed 5s 7d and won $5.57 ($2.80 net)

an interesting session

 

[John A]

Yeah, you're welcome. No question is a waste of time. It's my pleasure to answer. As they say, there's no dumb questions. Only dumb people who stay silent.

Thanks John that makes much more sense. This it part if the reason I've taken a bit of a step back from this discussion. Although I do follow it I'm still (obviously) struggling with the lingo and I don't want to waste yours or anyone else's time. Thanks again for you clearing that up for me.

 

[John A]

This hand below is somewhat typical and why you had to call him down
he picked up a lot of 30-40bb hands on the river.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
MP: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
CO: $7.18 (71.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.91 (149.1 bb)
SB: $10.06 (100.6 bb)
BB: $7.44 (74.4 bb) our nutball fish

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7h 8h
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) Ac 9c Jc (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.60) Js (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero folds, SB calls $0.50

River: ($1.60) 8c (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, BB raises to $1.70, SB calls $1.40

Results: $5 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: Ac 9c Jc Js 8c
SB showed Td Th and won $4.67 ($2.27 net)
BB showed 3s 2s and lost (-$2.40 net)

Not completely sure why you posted this one, but I'd open on the button a little more at these stakes to ensure you play the hand HU's versus the fish in the BB.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
CO: $12.35 (123.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $18.69 (186.9 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $6.20 (62 bb)
MP: $9.76 (97.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah 8s
MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.35) 9h Ac 5d (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.17, BB calls $0.17, MP calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.86) Kd (3 players)
BB bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, BB folds

River: ($2.56) 5h (2 players)
MP bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Results: $5.96 pot ($0.39 rake)
Final Board: 9h Ac 5d Kd 5h
Hero mucked Ah 8s and lost (-$2.77 net)
MP showed 5s 7d and won $5.57 ($2.80 net)

an interesting session

ISO raise pre-flop. Bet a little more on the flop. You're in a weird spot on the river but based on your read a call is fine. Smaller 2 pairs got counter fitted (K9). No too much else he's going to have there.

I think I'm missing the question maybe though. I'm pretty tired so try again.

 

[Figaroo2]

The question was really to look at the hud stats and suggest the best generic ways to deal with a player who is 90/17/46
The A8 hand was very soon after his 32 suited bluff which is why I called him down with top pair, it was just a shame I got rivered.
Your suggestion to "open on the button a little more at these stakes to ensure you play the hand HU's versus the fish in the BB" is sensible as is a little more "iso re-raising preflop". At one point there were actually 3 fish at this table in fact i'm heading back there right now...

 

[John A]

The question was really to look at the hud stats and suggest the best generic ways to deal with a player who is 90/17/46
The A8 hand was very soon after his 32 suited bluff which is why I called him down with top pair, it was just a shame I got rivered.
Your suggestion to "open on the button a little more at these stakes to ensure you play the hand HU's versus the fish in the BB" is sensible as is a little more "iso re-raising preflop". At one point there were actually 3 fish at this table in fact i'm heading back there right now...

He's the nutball, so you deal with him as I had mentioned in the video. You trap, you over bet, you 3-bet ISO him small. Make very definitive decisions OOP.

 

[John A]

Thought I'd ask some opinions and feedback on here since you guys tend to be pretty helpful:
http://youtu.be/RomuvtjRtQM

I gave a shout out to cardschat towards the end of the video. This is going to be on first run of Leak Buster 4.

 

[John A]

Ignore the fact that my developer can't spell Triple Barrel. Ugh...

 

[Fisi]

Thought I'd ask some opinions and feedback on here since you guys tend to be pretty helpful:
http://youtu.be/RomuvtjRtQM

I gave a shout out to cardschat towards the end of the video. This is going to be on first run of Leak Buster 4.

Well my first impression is that the presentation's montage feels kind of 80's. I'm not really sure how to do the video differently, but this presentation for example feels kind of more modern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT25L8xILdQ

Otherwise everything looks fine, a nice walkthrough of the options, only perhaps you could add a short example and analyse a database for a specific filter to show the funcionality of the product, I think that would be nice. Can't wait to get me one anyways .

By the way, been implementing your comments on the HUD setup and testing a hybrid one, thanks for the help!

 

[Figaroo2]

leakbuster video

I agree with the last comments, and I think you need some help with visual presentation, it doesn't come across as very 'polished'. I'd take it to a professional advertising agency for a make over.
The leakbuster logo for example comes across like something knocked up on a powerpoint a long time ago and it sort of sets the 'dated' tone.
The first 1 and a half minutes with the music is short and snappy I liked that.
You put up your winning stats but I couldn't really make them out needs to be bigger and clearer, when you go full screen you can only just about make them out.
I'd lose the last poker gods sentence it just sounds sort of goofy. The whole point of having LB is that you shouldn't have to rely on the poker gods.

 

[John A]

Ok, thanks. That was brutally honest. I didn't think it was that bad.

I'm not sure what you mean by looking 80's? Or the leak buster logo being knocked up. It would be helpful if you could both clarify those points. Thanks.

 

[Figaroo2]

Ok, thanks. That was brutally honest. I didn't think it was that bad.

I'm not sure what you mean by looking 80's? Or the leak buster logo being knocked up. It would be helpful if you could both clarify those points. Thanks.

Don't take it too hard!!! Its not that bad, imo its just 'cosmetics,' a bit more polish needed.
Its a great product, knowing how to market it is clearly important.
It would help if others posted as well.

 

[Fisi]

Ok, thanks. That was brutally honest. I didn't think it was that bad.

I'm not sure what you mean by looking 80's? Or the leak buster logo being knocked up. It would be helpful if you could both clarify those points. Thanks.

Obviously, I'm just a college student without any knowledge of design or similar so it's solely my opininon, which ofcourse may be wrong. Again, like Figaroo said it's just cosmetics. For instance, I would chose a different style of music, as this one kind of reminds me of VHS tapes. The transits, like the one at 0:17 seem outdated. I find it nice that you present yourself, however I think you don't need to go into details about leakbuster and it's development. I think it would be more useful and effective if you would do a quick presentation of a feature, like filtering a database for naked flop floats for example. Overall it's a pretty good presentation, however I feel that it could have been better. I like the logo though.

I do have two friends that study design, so I can ask them and maybe they can come up with more concrete suggestions.

Hope this helps.

 

[John A]

Ok, thanks for the feedback guys. I'll keep some of it in mind.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

John I've just started playing live tournaments (2 so far). Should I be able to use the same strategies you teach here for these games as well? The 3betting seems to work about the same from how the table reacted last Saturday.

 

[John A]

Well, everything can apply to tournaments that you learn in cash games. You just have to make sure you have a high SPR for a lot of situations and that you're not over committing yourself. That's the only primary issue with any tournament. Typically your SPR gets so low, you can't really play much poker.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Well, everything can apply to tournaments that you learn in cash games. You just have to make sure you have a high SPR for a lot of situations and that you're not over committing yourself. That's the only primary issue with any tournament. Typically your SPR gets so low, you can't really play much poker.

SPR? The rest makes sense. My poker language is still very broken.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Oh! Stack Pot Ratio! Right? Maybe?

 

[John A]

Correcto... sorry, I make bad assumptions sometimes.

 

[John A]

My stat update.

 

[Fisi]

Damn! Nice stats. Those are 50NL to 200NL? Do you play any zoom as well?

 

[John A]

Correct, that's pretty much all I'm playing for right now. I'll make a decision at some point if I'm going to play higher again. I've just lost one bankroll because of black friday and I almost lost a second post black friday. I'm consistently pulling off winnings every month right now so I don't have a bloated bankroll online. If I lose a 5-6k bankroll, that sucks, but losing 30k+ really blows.