Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Ian the Fish]

What do you think of this? The river bet does seem like he is baiting me into it, but can I get away?

Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Hero (SB): $11.65 (233 bb)
BB: $11.30 (226 bb)
UTG: $7.09 (141.8 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♣ A♦
3 folds, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60) 4♠ Q♠ 5♠ (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.60) 9♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.60) 3♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Spoiler

Results: $9.80 pot ($0.49 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ Q♠ 5♠ 9♥ 3♥
Hero showed A♣ A♦ and lost (-$4.80 net)
BB showed A♠ J♠ and won $9.31 ($4.51 net)

 

[John A]

What do you think of this? The river bet does seem like he is baiting me into it, but can I get away?

Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Hero (SB): $11.65 (233 bb)
BB: $11.30 (226 bb)
UTG: $7.09 (141.8 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♣ A♦
3 folds, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60) 4♠ Q♠ 5♠ (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.60) 9♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.60) 3♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Spoiler

Results: $9.80 pot ($0.49 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ Q♠ 5♠ 9♥ 3♥
Hero showed A♣ A♦ and lost (-$4.80 net)
BB showed A♠ J♠ and won $9.31 ($4.51 net)

W/o stats and being that deep this is fine. River is a standard call for the price. There's still enough Qx value bets in there for it to be a call. You having A discounts some of those combos, but there's still KQ and a couple of bluffs.

 

[John A]

Is anyone interested in having some sweats this coming week? I will log time if people are interested. I didn't see anyone on last Tuesday.

I didn't go to the wsop this year. I decided to "stay home" to coach my son's all-star team and to travel.

 

[Figaroo2]

Is anyone interested in having some sweats this coming week? I will log time if people are interested. I didn't see anyone on last Tuesday.


I didn't go to the WSOP this year. I decided to "stay home" to coach my son's all-star team and to travel.

Yeah John we have an active 10 strong sweat group running in Google hangouts. I did send you an invite a good while back. It is a much more stable software.

 

[Alucard]

Got 2 hands John. Deepstacked play where I was chasing fish money

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 108 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (SB): 397.6 BB
BB: 206.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 198.1 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
CO: 71.7 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 83.33, 3Bet Preflop: 80.00, Hands: 13)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Kh
UTG raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 71.7 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero raises to 397.6 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG calls 195.1 BB and is all-in

Flop : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 7c 6h 8d

Turn : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 5s

River : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 7h

Hero shows As Kh (One Pair, Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 6%, Flop 2%, Turn 6%)
Side Pot [252.8 BB]: (Pre 6%, Flop 3%, Turn 10%)

UTG shows Ac Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 87%, Flop 95%, Turn 87%)
Side Pot [252.8 BB]: (Pre 94%, Flop 97%, Turn 90%)

CO shows Kd 3s (One Pair, Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 7%, Flop 3%, Turn 6%)

UTG wins 453.9 BB

The fish was open shoving almost every hand. Should we just call here pre? And if UTG shoves?

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 153.8 BB (VPIP: 24.85, PFR: 20.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.88, Hands: 498)
UTG: 42.5 BB (VPIP: 68.09, PFR: 46.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (MP): 275.9 BB
CO: 130.8 BB (VPIP: 28.62, PFR: 24.16, 3Bet Preflop: 10.66, Hands: 552)
BTN: 102.9 BB (VPIP: 26.27, PFR: 17.87, 3Bet Preflop: 8.94, Hands: 763)
SB: 137.5 BB (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 11.25, Hands: 354)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Ah
UTG raises to 42.5 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 91 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 153.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62.8 BB

Flop : (350.6 BB, 3 players) 3h 9s 4h

Turn : (350.6 BB, 3 players) Td

River : (350.6 BB, 3 players) 6d

BB shows Kh Kd (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 67%, Flop 83%, Turn 95%)
Side Pot [222.6 BB]: (Pre 76%, Flop 85%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Jc Ah (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot [222.6 BB]: (Pre 24%, Flop 15%, Turn 5%)

UTG shows Ad 7d (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 14%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)

Another similar spot. But a bit less complicated I guess. Again just a call pre? As played I think we have to call his shove?

 

[John A]

Yeah John we have an active 10 strong sweat group running in Google hangouts. I did send you an invite a good while back. It is a much more stable software.

Yes. I got it. I will start poking my head in there.

I've just been swamped honestly.

 

[John A]

Got 2 hands John. Deepstacked play where I was chasing fish money

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 108 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (SB): 397.6 BB
BB: 206.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 198.1 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
CO: 71.7 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 83.33, 3Bet Preflop: 80.00, Hands: 13)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Kh
UTG raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 71.7 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero raises to 397.6 BB and is all-in, fold, UTG calls 195.1 BB and is all-in

Flop : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 7c 6h 8d

Turn : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 5s

River : (468.9 BB, 3 players) 7h

Hero shows As Kh (One Pair, Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 6%, Flop 2%, Turn 6%)
Side Pot [252.8 BB]: (Pre 6%, Flop 3%, Turn 10%)

UTG shows Ac Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 87%, Flop 95%, Turn 87%)
Side Pot [252.8 BB]: (Pre 94%, Flop 97%, Turn 90%)

CO shows Kd 3s (One Pair, Sevens)

Main Pot [216.1 BB]: (Pre 7%, Flop 3%, Turn 6%)

UTG wins 453.9 BB

The fish was open shoving almost every hand. Should we just call here pre? And if UTG shoves?

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 153.8 BB (VPIP: 24.85, PFR: 20.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.88, Hands: 498)
UTG: 42.5 BB (VPIP: 68.09, PFR: 46.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (MP): 275.9 BB
CO: 130.8 BB (VPIP: 28.62, PFR: 24.16, 3Bet Preflop: 10.66, Hands: 552)
BTN: 102.9 BB (VPIP: 26.27, PFR: 17.87, 3Bet Preflop: 8.94, Hands: 763)
SB: 137.5 BB (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 11.25, Hands: 354)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Ah
UTG raises to 42.5 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 91 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 153.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 62.8 BB

Flop : (350.6 BB, 3 players) 3h 9s 4h

Turn : (350.6 BB, 3 players) Td

River : (350.6 BB, 3 players) 6d

BB shows Kh Kd (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 67%, Flop 83%, Turn 95%)
Side Pot [222.6 BB]: (Pre 76%, Flop 85%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Jc Ah (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot [222.6 BB]: (Pre 24%, Flop 15%, Turn 5%)

UTG shows Ad 7d (High Card, Ace)

Main Pot [128 BB]: (Pre 14%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)

Another similar spot. But a bit less complicated I guess. Again just a call pre? As played I think we have to call his shove?

First hand you can't call and then fold. So it's close just because UTG is so tight and so deep. I'd probably lean towards a fold, but I don't think getting it in here is horrible. Just punch up a range UTG is going to fold most of his range to your shove except for only a few combos.


Second hand I think you can call and then fold simply because of the size and you know if someone comes over the top at that point, you're beat badly.

 

[John A]

Hand vs. a total fishcake

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $1(BB)
CO ($100) [VPIP: 21.6% | PFR: 14.9% | AGG: 28% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 74]
BTN ($168.34) [VPIP: 25.9% | PFR: 3.7% | AGG: 30% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 28]
SB ($49) [VPIP: 12.5% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 60% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 24]
BB ($111.21) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 18.2% | 3-Bet: 10% | Hands: 40]
UTG ($95.6) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 36.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 16]
EP ($85.9) [VPIP: 38.9% | PFR: 27.8% | AGG: 63.2% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 18]
MP ($73.08) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 7.1% | AGG: 16.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 28]
HERO ($100) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 33.2% | 3-Bet: 9.6% | Hands: 5018]

Dealt to Hero: Q:heart: A:spade:

UTG Folds, EP Raises To $2, MP Folds, HERO Raises To $8, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, EP Calls $6

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.45 effective]
Flop ($17.5): A:heart: 6:club: 3:diamond:
EP Bets $5.94 (Rem. Stack: 71.96), HERO Raises To $15.88 (Rem. Stack: 76.12), EP Calls $9.94 (Rem. Stack: 62.02)

Turn ($49.26): A:heart: 6:club: 3:diamond: 8:spade:
EP Checks, HERO Bets $25.63 (Rem. Stack: 50.49), EP Raises To $51.26 (Rem. Stack: 10.76), HERO Raises To $76.12 (allin), EP Calls $10.76 (allin)

River ($187.40): A:heart: 6:club: 3:diamond: 8:spade: 7:diamond:

 

[Figaroo2]

His aggression is high but it's only 18 hands. I hope for your sanity he didn't have AK 66, 33 A8 maybe 54 at a push, nothing else makes any sense unless he is simply over valuing AJ AT

 

[Supmargy]

What's that AGG stat?

 

[PaxMundi]

AQo hand i think i prefer just calling on the flop.You can still get stacks in later should you want to but there aren't many obvious draws to get value from/protect against. So i think villains range becomes narrower when donking out.Id much rather keep all the bluffs in and 18 hands isn't anything really to go on.I think it's optimistic to expect them to now call down a hand like JJ once we raise the donkbet not that it can't happen i guess.

 

[pepsilv]

This is very interesting, hope to get every bit of info to better my poker game.

 

[nml]

Hey guys! Been reading through this thread and love the ideas being shared. I’ve started the grind on 5NL myself after playing for a while on 2NL, so I’d love to get involved with this

I tried the link on the first page, but never received an email with any further info on the ebook? Any advice? Would also love to join the hangouts group and sweat you guys sometimes

Big thing I see is that you guys stay super aggressive with overcards. Are you c betting three streets if you are getting called down? What’s your showdown %?

 

[nml]

As a follow up, I played super aggressive post flop tonight and over about 100 hands won around 160 BB haha. It’ll be gospel for the time being!

 

[PaxMundi]

Big thing I see is that you guys stay super aggressive with overcards. Are you c betting three streets if you are getting called down? What’s your showdown %?

Not with over cards , look for backdoor equity and also board texture.You cant just fire away with AJ because it has two over cards.

 

[Figaroo2]

Leading out on the flop.

John
I'd like to incorporate a few flop lead outs from oop and am unclear around the best boards/opponents to do this. At the moment I really only lead out with strong made hands when the board favours the openers range.

Yesterday I opened AJos in MP on a FR table and was called by one of the blinds. Flop 38T rainbow. He donks full pot and I folded pretty quickly where I might have Cbet or certainly delayed cbet. So clearly if he gets me to lay this down when he has worse this is +ev for him.

I presume you could lead out on boards like the above which favour the caller, instead of bluff check raising after the in position player cbets which I do a fair amount on these boards against slightly looser regs.
Players are bound to call less if they haven't invested anything other than the initial raise. Thoughts?

 

[John A]

John
I'd like to incorporate a few flop lead outs from oop and am unclear around the best boards/opponents to do this. At the moment I really only lead out with strong made hands when the board favours the openers range.

Yesterday I opened AJos in MP on a FR table and was called by one of the blinds. Flop 38T rainbow. He donks full pot and I folded pretty quickly where I might have Cbet or certainly delayed cbet. So clearly if he gets me to lay this down when he has worse this is +ev for him.

I presume you could lead out on boards like the above which favour the caller, instead of bluff check raising after the in position player cbets which I do a fair amount on these boards against slightly looser regs.
Players are bound to call less if they haven't invested anything other than the initial raise. Thoughts?

Well, to start w/ your first example, if I'm donked into on boards like that, I'll call with most of my range if I have any good backdoor outs and overs. I'm going to be able to apply the most pressure in that hand depending on the runout.

As far as donking into people though, I look for spots where both missed the board, and I have the same situation, good back door outs / overs. I don't do it a ton, but when it makes since, mostly against steal position opens when I'm in the BB.

 

[John A]

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.50(BB)
BTN ($71.08) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
SB ($50.15) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($49.25) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 21.9% | AGG: 38.3% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | Hands: 6230]
UTG ($97.17) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($78.81) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($49.53) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: K:diamond: Q:club:

UTG Raises To $1, HJ Calls $1, CO Calls $1, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $5.75, UTG Calls $4.75, HJ Calls $4.75, CO Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.35 effective]
Flop ($18.50): 3:club: J:spade: 2:diamond:
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($18.50): 3:club: J:spade: 2:diamond: Q:heart:
HERO Checks, UTG Checks, HJ Bets $10.97 (Rem. Stack: 62.09), HERO Calls $10.97 (Rem. Stack: 32.53), UTG Folds

River ($40.44): 3:club: J:spade: 2:diamond: Q:heart: 6:spade:
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $40.44 (Rem. Stack: 21.65), HERO Calls $32.53 (allin)

Spoiler

HJ shows: 7:spade: 7:club:

HERO wins: $101.5

 

[PaxMundi]

KQo i think you have to call turn and river here.I would be thinking it's either 22-33 or a flopped/turned draw they are now barreling.I cant see a fold though once we check the flop and take this line.I don't understand the hand villain shows up with seen as it has good showdown value.But then villain can likely have quite a bit of 2 pair and a'lot more draws and these type hands than i give them credit for though in reality as they look fishy with the limp pre.But ye i think calling down was good.

 

[Figaroo2]

Hmm. I think I just bet the turn for value and to try and keep things simple. The Q will bring some extra draws along that will probably call a half pot bet. As played you put yourself in a tough spot.
Id be concerned about 54s as well as 66 its exactly the way id have played those hands in that spot.
I dont think he has sets he should have bet flop with those.

 

[PaxMundi]

I dont think he has sets he should have bet flop with those.

That's quite a good point so you should likely reduce villains combos of sets if that's the case.

 

[John A]

Hmm. I think I just bet the turn for value and to try and keep things simple. The Q will bring some extra draws along that will probably call a half pot bet. As played you put yourself in a tough spot.
Id be concerned about 54s as well as 66 its exactly the way id have played those hands in that spot.
I dont think he has sets he should have bet flop with those.

What draws? KT? Not really a lot out there. I'd be more concerned about 54 than anything.

 

[PaxMundi]

I thought the turn picked up a flush draw when it never,so i think that makes it a much tougher call than i first thought on the river.Villain doesn't have those turned draws i first thought they had to bluff the river with.Also with villain being in the hijack and last to call i think their range is weighted far more to set mines and a 54s type hand calling with the extra implied odds.My first review completely misread the hh and i'm now hovering between fold and call i do think it's very marginal.And in game i likely fold the river here which is possibly a mistake.

 

[John A]

I thought the turn picked up a flush draw when it never,so i think that makes it a much tougher call than i first thought on the river.Villain doesn't have those turned draws i first thought they had to bluff the river with.Also with villain being in the hijack and last to call i think their range is weighted far more to set mines and a 54s type hand calling with the extra implied odds.My first review completely misread the hh and i'm now hovering between fold and call i do think it's very marginal.And in game i likely fold the river here which is possibly a mistake.

He's going to bet sets and TP most of the time when it's checked to him in position MW. It's a dry board, but still, you're going to be betting a building a pot most of the time there. 54s is the only other hand that makes sense in this spot. Qx, Jx don't make any sense. So you have several missed draws 9T/KT, air, and 54s and for giggles lets say 33. Way more combos of air a missed draws than value hands correct?

 

[PaxMundi]

He's going to bet sets and TP most of the time when it's checked to him in position MW. It's a dry board, but still, you're going to be betting a building a pot most of the time there. 54s is the only other hand that makes sense in this spot. Qx, Jx don't make any sense. So you have several missed draws 9T/KT, air, and 54s and for giggles lets say 33. Way more combos of air a missed draws than value hands correct?

If you apply a range of say
JJ,33-22,KTs,QJs,T9s,54s
You have 33% equity you can likely remove some cmbos of JJ that 3bet pre so your probably closer to 35% equity.If you add AQ though your equity drops off to 24% .So i'm kind of unsure about the hand in all honesty.Do you not assign villain AQ here ?.