Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Talden]

Hey Bro, I know this is a standard cooler situation, but let me ask a couple of questions. I don't know your 3-bet call range, and after 250 hands the button probably don't either. But he can't know you didn't call with 55 or 66(ok I would almost always discount 66 there) so If that is the case. On the flop when you C/R all in, you put the decisions on him. This time he decided right, but he could have hit the fold button. At the stakes I play , that hand would have most likely been all in pre. Besides folding(way to nitty IMO), how could you have played that better? I can't see a better way yet(but I am a fishy Newb). 2 months ago I would have said "Damn , Cooler". Now I am thinking differently. Thank you guys for that..Keep on keeping on! BTW if that tight a@@ didn't think about folding on that flop, I predict you stack him a few times in the future..lol

 

[Aces2w1n]

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $50.43 (100.9 bb)
BB: $7.35 (14.7 bb)
MP1: $42.78 (85.6 bb) VPIP: 45, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 6.3, Hands: 248 (aggro fish)
MP2: $99.34 (198.7 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 4.5, Hands: 728 (very good Reg)
MP3: $53.50 (107 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $146.64 (293.3 bb)VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 250
Half decent reg.

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

K

MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN raises to $7.75,
This is a tricky spot; the good reg MP2 isolates the limping fish in MP1 and has been doing so often, however the button is good enough to recognise this and raise knowing MP2 could be quite wide. However the button isn't particularly aggressive and he's going to have some sort of decent hand here.
If I cold raise again I'm pretty much turning my hand face up and pot committing myself. If I call its going to look like JJ QQ AK nearly always.
I decide to flat and shove all none ace flops.

Hero calls $7.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($18.50) 6

5

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.25, Hero raises to $42.68 and is all-in, BTN calls $31.43

Turn: ($103.86) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($103.86) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $103.86 pot ($4.00 rake)
Final Board: 6

5

6

J

A

Hero showed K

K

and lost (-$50.43 net)
BTN showed A

A

and won $99.86 ($49.43 net)

Apart from folding preflop, which I did actually consider for a moment because the button wasn't that aggrressive, can we ever get away from this?

I'm flatting flop, Theres not a ton out there with this board. So when we shove we want him to do mistakes such as QQ JJ etc

But looking at the size of his preflop raise against MP2 ... it's very strong so alarm bells will be starting which means í won't be getting carried away.

 

[rhombus]

Bad CBET ??

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.41 (134.1 bb)
BB: $11.51 (115.1 bb)
UTG: $6.14 (61.4 bb) 23/18 AG8.0 37 hands
MP: $11.91 (119.1 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, UTG calls $1, MP folds

Flop: ($3.05) J

K

8

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $2.70, Hero ???

On a side NOTE if MP $11.91 17/13 2.4AG 251 hands Shoves do you fold

 

[Aces2w1n]

personall if bet $2 and if a spade or we pick up more rquity we barrell 2nd time and really apply pressure to opponent. if he has a weak king he will drop off but if he doesnt and we improve we will make him wish he folded


AP u look so weak... if u bet $1 your better off not betting at all. Just fold you messed up better off not making things worse.

But these days soon as you check or cbet so small people pounce on the weakness

 

[rhombus]

personall if bet $2 and if a spade or we pick up more rquity we barrell 2nd time and really apply pressure to opponent. if he has a weak king he will drop off but if he doesnt and we improve we will make him wish he folded


AP u look so weak... if u bet $1 your better off not betting at all. Just fold you messed up better off not making things worse.

But these days soon as you check or cbet so small people pounce on the weakness

Seen alot of streamers seem to bet 1/3 pot especially in 3 BET pots, both MTT and Cash players.

Hindsight check especially with the Queen spades

 

[rhombus]

Maximise value on River OOP.
Case below only just seen 0.3 AG so best to bet but in general ??

If the River card can hit villains range is it best to C/R and if it doesnt hit them, give them a chance to bluff as showing weakness???
or just Value bet. Which is better +EV


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
MP: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
CO: $9.55 (95.5 bb)
BTN: $14.39 (143.9 bb) 14/12 13.5 3Bet 0.3 AG

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

8

2 folds, BTN raises to $0.21, Hero raises to $0.80, BB folds, BTN calls $0.59

Flop: ($1.70) 3

8

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.30) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.39, BTN calls $1.39

River: ($6.08) K

(2 players)
Hero ???

 

[Aces2w1n]

Seen alot of streamers seem to bet 1/3 pot especially in 3 BET pots, both MTT and Cash players.

Hindsight check especially with the Queen spades

i think ur better going aggro with spades because theres a ton of fun cards to come... if turn comes a spade we can fire again and drop off a lot of hands we beat and if he calls we can hit that spade or straight and then its a question of how much we get paid

check without spades is the path id go

 

[Aces2w1n]

Maximise value on River OOP.
Case below only just seen 0.3 AG so best to bet but in general ??

If the River card can hit villains range is it best to C/R and if it doesnt hit them, give them a chance to bluff as showing weakness???
or just Value bet. Which is better +EV


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
MP: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
CO: $9.55 (95.5 bb)
BTN: $14.39 (143.9 bb) 14/12 13.5 3Bet 0.3 AG

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

8

2 folds, BTN raises to $0.21, Hero raises to $0.80, BB folds, BTN calls $0.59

Flop: ($1.70) 3

8

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.30) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.39, BTN calls $1.39

River: ($6.08) K

(2 players)
Hero ???

im betting as close to pot as i feel he would call... id be up near the $5

 

[John A]

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[Aces2w1n]

any content in dealing with light 4bets??? since im a crazy 3better... i get occassionally light 4bet... would like a response to it

 

[Ian the Fish]

Just a sidenote...

Well, I am posting this here, since my post-flop game would not be anywhere NEAR what it is now, if it hadn't been for Polished Poker. I understand that tourneys are vastly different from cash games, but the majority of thinking still applies.

Thank you John! And, of course, you Figaroo2 for the constant guidance you have provided throughout. :icon_sant

 

[Talden]

Grats on this one Ian, Nice one! Have a good un!!

 

[rhombus]

Nice Result Ian

 

[John A]

Well, I am posting this here, since my post-flop game would not be anywhere NEAR what it is now, if it hadn't been for Polished Poker. I understand that tourneys are vastly different from cash games, but the majority of thinking still applies.

Thank you John! And, of course, you Figaroo2 for the constant guidance you have provided throughout. :icon_sant

Congrats Ian! Nice score. I only take 33%. hehe.... enjoy it, well done!!

 

[rhombus]

Congrats Ian! Nice score. I only take 33%. hehe.... enjoy it, well done!!

You can have 33% of my winnings for the last 6 months on Stars.

You owe me $200

 

[John A]

any content in dealing with light 4bets??? since im a crazy 3better... i get occassionally light 4bet... would like a response to it

I honestly think at your stakes you shouldn't be worrying about this too much. You will occasionally get light 4-bet since you're aggro and happy to be. So the best hands to 5-bet shove are Axs, Kxs, since you have blockers to some of their legit 4-bet range. It's really primarily read based, knowing when you think your opponents will over react based on how you've been playing. This takes a lot of time and practice, but you want to look for players who play a similar style to you. Those will be the main peeps 4-betting you light. It's obviously not going to be the straight forward TAG guy often enough to implement a counter.

In position you can consider flatting some people if your stacks get a little over 125bbs and they aren't overly aggressive postflop. If you flat a 4-bet, and call a flop bet, there's a lot of steal potentials because people will give up if they've whiffed. But you need to be across that threshold in size because you'll be jamming the turn.

But again, I wouldn't worry about this too much until you get to 100nl+. For now, find a better balance and focus on making good reads.

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $50.43 (100.9 bb)
BB: $7.35 (14.7 bb)
MP1: $42.78 (85.6 bb) VPIP: 45, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 6.3, Hands: 248 (aggro fish)
MP2: $99.34 (198.7 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 4.5, Hands: 728 (very good Reg)
MP3: $53.50 (107 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $146.64 (293.3 bb)VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 250
Half decent reg.

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

K

MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN raises to $7.75,
This is a tricky spot; the good reg MP2 isolates the limping fish in MP1 and has been doing so often, however the button is good enough to recognise this and raise knowing MP2 could be quite wide. However the button isn't particularly aggressive and he's going to have some sort of decent hand here.
If I cold raise again I'm pretty much turning my hand face up and pot committing myself. If I call its going to look like JJ QQ AK nearly always.
I decide to flat and shove all none ace flops.

Hero calls $7.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($18.50) 6

5

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.25, Hero raises to $42.68 and is all-in, BTN calls $31.43

Turn: ($103.86) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($103.86) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $103.86 pot ($4.00 rake)
Final Board: 6

5

6

J

A

Hero showed K

K

and lost (-$50.43 net)
BTN showed A

A

and won $99.86 ($49.43 net)

Apart from folding preflop, which I did actually consider for a moment because the button wasn't that aggrressive, can we ever get away from this?

No, and I don't mind your plan. If he was a little more aggressive, I like shoving pre since it's unlikely even if you call the fish is coming in, and this gives you some opportunity to get a thinking player in pre with AK/JJ+.

Next time, hit a K on the flop.

 

[John A]

This hand is kind of funny. I was trying to test something for Drivehud, didn't mean to post but apparently did, so I played the round intending on sitting out when the blind came back. I just flat called one hand in the SB before this w/ 77 and c/f'd the flop. What are his mistakes?

Guy opens 2.5, so I know he's a reg of course.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $1(BB)
HERO ($97.5)
SB ($102)
BB ($210.13)
CO ($101.11)

Dealt to Hero J♦ Q♦

CO Raises To $2.5 (Rem. Stack: 98.61), HERO Raises To $9 (Rem. Stack: 88.5), SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $6.5 (Rem. Stack: 92.11)

Flop ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠
CO Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥
CO Checks, HERO Bets $10.99 (Rem. Stack: 77.51), CO Raises To $33.05 (Rem. Stack: 59.06), HERO Calls $22.06 (Rem. Stack: 55.45)

River ($85.60) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥ 6♣
CO $59.06 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO $55.45 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

CO shows 9♦ A♦

HERO wins $193.5
CO wins $3.61

 

[Ian the Fish]

This hand is kind of funny. I was trying to test something for Drivehud, didn't mean to post but apparently did, so I played the round intending on sitting out when the blind came back. I just flat called one hand in the SB before this w/ 77 and c/f'd the flop. What are his mistakes?

Guy opens 2.5, so I know he's a reg of course.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $1(BB)
HERO ($97.5)
SB ($102)
BB ($210.13)
CO ($101.11)

Dealt to Hero J♦ Q♦

CO Raises To $2.5 (Rem. Stack: 98.61), HERO Raises To $9 (Rem. Stack: 88.5), SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $6.5 (Rem. Stack: 92.11)

Flop ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠
CO Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥
CO Checks, HERO Bets $10.99 (Rem. Stack: 77.51), CO Raises To $33.05 (Rem. Stack: 59.06), HERO Calls $22.06 (Rem. Stack: 55.45)

River ($85.60) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥ 6♣
CO $59.06 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO $55.45 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

CO shows 9♦ A♦

HERO wins $193.5
CO wins $3.61

B/C flop (to protect the pair). If raised on the flop, X turn; if just called on the flop - B turn. This way the pot is a lot more controlled, and since all sets up to 77 (at least for me) are a fold to 3-bet pre, it is a C/X back on the river. AQ and KQ (doubtful) are very unfortunate, but nothing you can do.

How did I do, John?

 

[Aces2w1n]

I honestly think at your stakes you shouldn't be worrying about this too much. You will occasionally get light 4-bet since you're aggro and happy to be. So the best hands to 5-bet shove are Axs, Kxs, since you have blockers to some of their legit 4-bet range. It's really primarily read based, knowing when you think your opponents will over react based on how you've been playing. This takes a lot of time and practice, but you want to look for players who play a similar style to you. Those will be the main peeps 4-betting you light. It's obviously not going to be the straight forward TAG guy often enough to implement a counter.

In position you can consider flatting some people if your stacks get a little over 125bbs and they aren't overly aggressive postflop. If you flat a 4-bet, and call a flop bet, there's a lot of steal potentials because people will give up if they've whiffed. But you need to be across that threshold in size because you'll be jamming the turn.

But again, I wouldn't worry about this too much until you get to 100nl+. For now, find a better balance and focus on making good reads.

Thanks man... yeah I have been practicing a lot of trying to read and stealing hands when I don't have a hand and been mainly using position as power. I guess though when you move up levels people don't have the same errors, or they do but cover their holes a little bit better which means you just have to dig a little deeper but they are there.

But yeah as a main thing i'll focus on just ABC and trying to play more when I win and play less when I lose. Also it means when i'm winning i'll move up stakes and take more shots, And do the opposite when I'm finding things hard. I think this is the best way for me for now and taking days off if I have a long winning session. Or my hardwork can be undone even faster.


People at these levels can't play well I see this more than ever now. Just need to remember this and not do anything too tricky or at least listen to what they are buying and not get too crazy when I pick up some extra equity lol.... Last thing i'll check out your material on your sites.

 

[Alexey]

Interested. Is this for full ring guys or is the focus gonna be on 6 max

Thanks so much for doing this John. I'm really looking forward to this!

 

[rhombus]

Interested. Is this for full ring guys or is the focus gonna be on 6 max

Thanks so much for doing this John. I'm really looking forward to this!

It's for both 6Max and Full Ring. It's actually pretty balanced with both 6Max and Full Ring players posting in this thread

 

[rhombus]

This hand is kind of funny. I was trying to test something for Drivehud, didn't mean to post but apparently did, so I played the round intending on sitting out when the blind came back. I just flat called one hand in the SB before this w/ 77 and c/f'd the flop. What are his mistakes?

Mistake Number 1 - Playing a Pot with a Poker GURU
#2 - What's he repping on Turn Set or nothing and if he had set isnt the raise too big

 

[Figaroo2]

This hand is kind of funny. What are his mistakes?
Guy opens 2.5, so I know he's a reg of course.
NL Holdem $1(BB)
HERO ($97.5)
CO ($101.11)
Dealt to Hero J♦ Q♦
CO Raises To $2.5 (Rem. Stack: 98.61), HERO Raises To $9 (Rem. Stack: 88.5), SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $6.5 (Rem. Stack: 92.11)
Flop ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠
CO Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($19.5) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥
CO Checks, HERO Bets $10.99 (Rem. Stack: 77.51), CO Raises To $33.05 (Rem. Stack: 59.06), HERO Calls $22.06 (Rem. Stack: 55.45)
River ($85.60) 5♥ 7♣ Q♠ 4♥ 6♣
CO $59.06 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), HERO $55.45 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)
CO shows 9♦ A♦
HERO wins $193.5
CO wins $3.61

1st mistake. Calling a 3bet oop with A9s, this hand doesn't flop well, is easily dominated and well behind John's value range and would be better served as a 4bet bluffing hand here. So fold or 4bet, calling here with a mediocre hand and no initiative is rubbish actually.

2nd mistake. Check raising with no draws whatsoever.

3rd mistake, trying to rep this board in a 3bet pot.
His only legit hands are 77 AQ, QQ (1 combo) as we have a Q blocker. He hardly ever has 55, 86 or 54 or slow played KK AA here, other two pairs are very unlikely here imo.
Why would 77 AQ or QQ check raise anyway?

4th mistake betting trying to rep a straight on the end when a hand with an 8 or a 3 which would never have check raised on this board.

 

[John A]

B/C flop (to protect the pair). If raised on the flop, X turn; if just called on the flop - B turn. This way the pot is a lot more controlled, and since all sets up to 77 (at least for me) are a fold to 3-bet pre, it is a C/X back on the river. AQ and KQ (doubtful) are very unfortunate, but nothing you can do.

How did I do, John?

You mean if they XR the flop? Not sure I'm totally following. My question was about what mistakes you think the other player made.