John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Similar hand but got tempted against the aggro reg.
Think I need to go back to nursery and play with charts
What to call raises with OOP
3bets as Caller
3bets as PFR
etc
etc
etc
S
steatorrhoea
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hi John,
Thanks for replying.
Unfortunately that doesnt work anymore.
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I cant send PM's as I do not have enough posts.
I will work on posts and send Ian a PM.
gr,
Thanks for replying.
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
How can we play against this?
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players ZOOM
SB: $19.63 (196.3 bb)
BB: $12.44 (124.4 bb)
UTG+1: $4.98 (49.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
MP1: $17.28 (172.8 bb)
MP2: $10.80 (108 bb) VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, hands: 3
MP3: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
CO: $18.42 (184.2 bb) VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 22, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
BTN: $7 (70 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q:club: A:heart:
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.25, CO calls $1.60
Flop: ($7.65) 2:diamond: 2:heart: K:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero folds, MP2 calls $3.10
Turn: ($13.85) J:club: (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $6.61, MP2 calls $5.20 and is all-in
River: ($24.25) 2:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $24.25 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: 2:diamond: 2:heart: K:heart: J:club: 2:spade:
MP2 showed Q:diamond: Q:heart: and won $23.16 ($12.36 net) Calls down in a 4bet pot with this??
CO showed 7:club: A:club: and lost (-$10.80 net) CALLS A 4 bet with this??
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players ZOOM
SB: $19.63 (196.3 bb)
BB: $12.44 (124.4 bb)
UTG+1: $4.98 (49.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
MP1: $17.28 (172.8 bb)
MP2: $10.80 (108 bb) VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, hands: 3
MP3: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
CO: $18.42 (184.2 bb) VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 22, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
BTN: $7 (70 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q:club: A:heart:
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.25, CO calls $1.60
Flop: ($7.65) 2:diamond: 2:heart: K:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero folds, MP2 calls $3.10
Turn: ($13.85) J:club: (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $6.61, MP2 calls $5.20 and is all-in
River: ($24.25) 2:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $24.25 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: 2:diamond: 2:heart: K:heart: J:club: 2:spade:
MP2 showed Q:diamond: Q:heart: and won $23.16 ($12.36 net) Calls down in a 4bet pot with this??
CO showed 7:club: A:club: and lost (-$10.80 net) CALLS A 4 bet with this??
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
dont think 4 betting was a good idea preflop with AQo Full Ring, even though CO looks pretty aggro although only 15 hands
Although you was proved right as the CO is a $%^& idiot an MP2 is abit stubborn
PS wheres UTG ?? it goes UTG+1 UTG+2
Although you was proved right as the CO is a $%^& idiot an MP2 is abit stubborn
PS wheres UTG ?? it goes UTG+1 UTG+2
Aces2w1n
Legend
Silver Level
3x or 4x open... oop at micros people arent 3betting you wide enough to justify 4bet oop i think top heavy is best rather than bluff
Aces2w1n
Legend
Silver Level
after looking at his hand... the only diff if it was me in leading out k and ace and dead flops
if you have iniatitive use it... use our perceived range and make them pay
its amazing how many people play fit and fold on flop and all day everyday ill call down wide with any two if i know people give up simple.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Yeah, we had to change servers last week, so something must not have been moved. I'll have to talk w/ the developers tomorrow and see what the issue is and have them fix it.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Similar hand but got tempted against the aggro reg.
Think I need to go back to nursery and play with charts
What to call raises with OOP
3bets as Caller
3bets as PFR
etc
etc
etc
Or just simply stop playing this suited crap.
It's definitely a blind spot for you, and maybe because you play Omaha a lot? I'm not sure, but we've seen a ton of these similar types of hands and they are going to be -EV hands every time you're tempted to play them.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Usually I'd agree with this but not 3 way and not when my 4 bet has been called twice. Any further bet is pot committing and there is too much chance I'm up against AK or better here . To say keep betting here is foolish.
Normally this 4 bet works here especially as the cut off is clearly just a monkey. They do normally give up when their hand is caught in the cookie jar like this. So what are you going to do? Folding is too weak against the CO stats. Flatting a 3bet here. Well maybe but I'd rather 4 bet this hand and try to take it down from oop especially as I'd been playing tight.
John??
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
You are experiencing the same problem as I did, so let me be nice to you, as someone here was nice to me (credit to Fig). PM me your e-mail, so I could send the PDF to you.
Thank you.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
I'm coming in late. Which hand are you talking about?
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
How to play this hand once we get 3bet? Fold, call or 4bet, all have their merits to some extent due to the stats of the villains.
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players ZOOM
SB: $19.63 (196.3 bb)
BB: $12.44 (124.4 bb)
UTG+1: $4.98 (49.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
MP1: $17.28 (172.8 bb)
MP2: $10.80 (108 bb) VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
MP3: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
CO: $18.42 (184.2 bb) VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 22, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
BTN: $7 (70 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q♣ A♥
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.25, CO calls $1.60
Flop: ($7.65) 2♦ 2♥ K♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero folds, MP2 calls $3.10
Turn: ($13.85) J♣ (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $6.61, MP2 calls $5.20 and is all-in
River: ($24.25) 2♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $24.25 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: 2♦ 2♥ K♥ J♣ 2♠
MP2 showed Q♦ Q♥ and won $23.16 ($12.36 net) Calls down in a 4bet pot with this??
CO showed 7♣ A♣ and lost (-$10.80 net) CALLS A 4 bet with this??
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acemenow
Legend
Bronze Level
Hi John, I went to your site to download the book "polished poker".. and got the following error:
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or3o1990
Legend
Silver Level
I like 4betting vs this light squeeze pre. If it was going to be heads up I'd think more about flatting.
Aces2w1n
Legend
Silver Level
The more I look at that hand it's a fold.
Mp2 calling us and CO who is a decent reg 3betting us wider(maybe? micros people aren't wide enough overall)... So once we 4bet we should be 4betting as a bluff and hoping to finish the hand. And giveup if we havn't advanced.... So as played you did it perfectly if you were looking to get easy money pre.
The only thing about cbetting we do hold the Ahearts... it does take away a lot of flush draws and calling hands when we cbet... so higher chances of folds if we look at it this way. So either they have a K or it's a fold due to we could be repping such a strong range. And if we don't get the folds on the flop we may have a heart on the turn... and then shove the turn as a total bluff but that's pretty optimistic and I'm not saying I do this but saying it could be a creative line to take especially if we get a ton of folds when no one makes the hand.
Mp2 calling us and CO who is a decent reg 3betting us wider(maybe? micros people aren't wide enough overall)... So once we 4bet we should be 4betting as a bluff and hoping to finish the hand. And giveup if we havn't advanced.... So as played you did it perfectly if you were looking to get easy money pre.
The only thing about cbetting we do hold the Ahearts... it does take away a lot of flush draws and calling hands when we cbet... so higher chances of folds if we look at it this way. So either they have a K or it's a fold due to we could be repping such a strong range. And if we don't get the folds on the flop we may have a heart on the turn... and then shove the turn as a total bluff but that's pretty optimistic and I'm not saying I do this but saying it could be a creative line to take especially if we get a ton of folds when no one makes the hand.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Nh, well played. You don't have a ton of info, but CO is likely squeezing light. Perhaps MP2 has some info on CO so he was trapping you both. Hard to say, but he made a good play and CO played every street he had a decision on wrong (except the first squeeze pre).
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Mmmm.. I don't think we need to worry as much about flushes in a 4-bet pot. The Ah is really inconsequential here.
Fold pre isn't horrible, but I like the 4-bet versus someone who is probably going to have a light squeezing range pre... and it's zoom where I think the preflop play can get a little kooky can it not?
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Yes, ty. I'm aware. You probably missed my posts a few posts about about this. It's because we moved servers and apparently that resource hasn't been updated. I'll have it fixed here soon.
Aces2w1n
Legend
Silver Level
It wasnt about worrying about flushes but our cbet being more effective due to removing a lot of calling hands out of their range
so we block a lot of Ak KQ type hands and then Ax suited type hands
someone wouldve jammed jj qq kk aa pre... and we block all those combos... so really what can withstand a cbet.... a king that is all. so usually here would be medium pp as our biggest threat
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
That's what I meant though. There won't be as many flush draw calling hands in their range in a 4-bet pot in this spot, Ah or no Ah.
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Helpppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my bankroll is like the UK Pound in freefall
3 typical hand from tonight. 1st hand should've folded 2nd maybe called or is that result orientated and 3rd DO you Bluff river once you have CR the turn???
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $17.55 (175.5 bb)
BB: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
UTG: $18.38 (183.8 bb)20/20 AG 67% 5 hands
MP: $8.74 (87.4 bb)
CO: $31.67 (316.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with T
T
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.15) T
2
Q
(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10, UTG calls $1.10
Turn: ($4.35) 9
(2 players)
UTG bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40
River: ($9.15) 7
(2 players)
UTG bets $13.88
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10.52 (105.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)only1 hand on villain
UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $13.97 (139.7 bb)
CO: $6.60 (66 bb)
Hero (BTN): $11.82 (118.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5
A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65
Flop: ($1.95) 7
Q
9
(2 players)
BB bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15
Turn: ($4.25) T
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($4.25) T
(2 players)
BB bets $2.03,
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.14 (111.4 bb)
UTG: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
MP: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
CO: $13.04 (130.4 bb)
BTN: $15.69 (156.9 bb) only 1 hand
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
4
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) K
9
Q
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.25) T
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.70, BTN calls $1.40
River: ($4.65) Q
(2 players)
3 typical hand from tonight. 1st hand should've folded 2nd maybe called or is that result orientated and 3rd DO you Bluff river once you have CR the turn???
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $17.55 (175.5 bb)
BB: $12.27 (122.7 bb)
UTG: $18.38 (183.8 bb)20/20 AG 67% 5 hands
MP: $8.74 (87.4 bb)
CO: $31.67 (316.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with T
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.15) T
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10, UTG calls $1.10
Turn: ($4.35) 9
UTG bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40
River: ($9.15) 7
UTG bets $13.88
, Hero calls $5.50 and is all-in
Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: T
2
Q
9
7
UTG showed Q
Q
and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)
Hero showed T
T
and lost (-$10 net)
Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: T
UTG showed Q
Hero showed T
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10.52 (105.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)only1 hand on villain
UTG: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $13.97 (139.7 bb)
CO: $6.60 (66 bb)
Hero (BTN): $11.82 (118.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65
Flop: ($1.95) 7
BB bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15
Turn: ($4.25) T
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($4.25) T
BB bets $2.03,
Hero raises to $7.55,
BB raises to $7.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.35
Results: $20.05 pot ($0.90 rake)
Final Board: 7
Q
9
T
T
BB showed 7
7
and won $19.15 ($9.15 net)
Hero showed 5
A
and lost (-$10.00 net)
BB raises to $7.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.35
Results: $20.05 pot ($0.90 rake)
Final Board: 7
BB showed 7
Hero showed 5
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.14 (111.4 bb)
UTG: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
MP: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
CO: $13.04 (130.4 bb)
BTN: $15.69 (156.9 bb) only 1 hand
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) K
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.25) T
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.70, BTN calls $1.40
River: ($4.65) Q
Hero bets $2.40, BTN calls $2.40
Results: $9.45 pot ($0.43 rake)
Final Board: K
9
Q
T
Q
Hero showed 4
4
and lost (-$4.70 net)
BTN showed K
8
and won $9.02 ($4.32 net)
Results: $9.45 pot ($0.43 rake)
Final Board: K
Hero showed 4
BTN showed K
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Aces2w1n
Legend
Silver Level
Hand 1: Raise or fold turn.
Hand 2: Always bet the turn because if a 4th spade comes out, it's an action killer. Probably saved money due to playing it wrong.
Hand 3: Fold we missed the 4. We can't really 3bet here since we don't know the villain i feel. Once we know if he's folding a lot or calling a lot we can plan the hand a bit better. I guess after that last sentence we should fold pre? against an unknown.
Hand 2: Always bet the turn because if a 4th spade comes out, it's an action killer. Probably saved money due to playing it wrong.
Hand 3: Fold we missed the 4. We can't really 3bet here since we don't know the villain i feel. Once we know if he's folding a lot or calling a lot we can plan the hand a bit better. I guess after that last sentence we should fold pre? against an unknown.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Hand 1, set over set is usually just a cooler. I'd probably call it off there but wouldn't be happy about it on the monotone board. He can do this with the ace of hearts on its own as a bluff if he has that card knowing you can't have the nut flush, he is very polarised on the end with the overshove. We could check raise all in on the turn I suppose and hope he calls it off with AQ with the ace of hearts or similar.
Hand 2...I 4 bet or fold preflop, why go into this hand against an unknown with A5s... that makes very little sense equity wise.
Yes you MUST bet the turn, for value if nothing else...big hand big pot....once the board pairs I just call after he leads into it.
Hand 3. 3bet or call pre I don't mind.....NOT folding preflop....
Fold on the flop, the whole point of playing small pairs are that they are an easy let go once you miss your set.
If you want to fight for it then leading out is probably better than calling, as a lot of players will fold on a monotone board without a spade, especially in a steal situation when he could be really wide.
Hand 2...I 4 bet or fold preflop, why go into this hand against an unknown with A5s... that makes very little sense equity wise.
Yes you MUST bet the turn, for value if nothing else...big hand big pot....once the board pairs I just call after he leads into it.
Hand 3. 3bet or call pre I don't mind.....NOT folding preflop....
Fold on the flop, the whole point of playing small pairs are that they are an easy let go once you miss your set.
If you want to fight for it then leading out is probably better than calling, as a lot of players will fold on a monotone board without a spade, especially in a steal situation when he could be really wide.
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
JJ River decision v aggro
Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
SB: $23.29 (116.5 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.46 (167.3 bb) VPIP 44, PFR 24, 3B 14, AF 3.9, Hands 248
MP1: $35.28 (176.4 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $33.52 (167.6 bb)
CO: $21.80 (109 bb)
BTN: $40.46 (202.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:heart: J:diamond:
UTG+2 raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.05
Flop: ($3.80) 9:spade: 6:heart: 8:heart: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80
Turn: ($11.40) K:spade: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks
River: ($11.40) 5:diamond: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $5.70
Hero ?
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a king as he would have bet the turn. It is difficult ranging these players, he's wide enough to have a 7 here and to have led out on the flop with the oesd, or am I just seeing monsters. I am also wondering what I would have done if he had fired the turn as well.
Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
SB: $23.29 (116.5 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.46 (167.3 bb) VPIP 44, PFR 24, 3B 14, AF 3.9, Hands 248
MP1: $35.28 (176.4 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $33.52 (167.6 bb)
CO: $21.80 (109 bb)
BTN: $40.46 (202.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:heart: J:diamond:
UTG+2 raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.05
Flop: ($3.80) 9:spade: 6:heart: 8:heart: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.80
Turn: ($11.40) K:spade: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks
River: ($11.40) 5:diamond: (2 players)
UTG+2 bets $5.70
Hero ?
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a king as he would have bet the turn. It is difficult ranging these players, he's wide enough to have a 7 here and to have led out on the flop with the oesd, or am I just seeing monsters. I am also wondering what I would have done if he had fired the turn as well.