Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Figaroo2]

I'll be around for the sweat Tuesday evening

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $45.42 (151.4 bb)
BB: $45.35 (151.2 bb)
MP1: $29.70 (99 bb)
MP2: $15 (50 bb)
MP3: $13.37 (44.6 bb)
CO: $31.97 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb) VPIP: 31, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, hands: 77

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

A

MP2 posts BB OOP, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 checks, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.50, 3 folds, BTN calls $3.30

Flop: ($9.90) K

5

7

(2 players)
Hero bets $7.42, BTN calls $7.42

Turn: ($24.74) 9

(2 players)

Hero?
Villain was fishy, gets into a hand preflop and just bets, so I'm tempted to check call here but I don't want to give a free card to the diamond draw. Thoughts?
He only has $18.08 left behind

 

[Aces2w1n]

less likely he has flush given the preflop... sure it happens and ppl are bad enough but yeh less likely.

its one of those bet fold situations i believe.

given the fishiness he will pay us off with kx so we have to think stacks

 

[John A]

I'll be around for the sweat Tuesday evening

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $45.42 (151.4 bb)
BB: $45.35 (151.2 bb)
MP1: $29.70 (99 bb)
MP2: $15 (50 bb)
MP3: $13.37 (44.6 bb)
CO: $31.97 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb) VPIP: 31, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, Hands: 77

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

A

MP2 posts BB OOP, MP1 calls $0.30, MP2 checks, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.50, 3 folds, BTN calls $3.30

Flop: ($9.90) K

5

7

(2 players)
Hero bets $7.42, BTN calls $7.42

Turn: ($24.74) 9

(2 players)

Hero?
Villain was fishy, gets into a hand preflop and just bets, so I'm tempted to check call here but I don't want to give a free card to the diamond draw. Thoughts?
He only has $18.08 left behind

Just bet/call. I wouldn't shove though, even though you typically should. I'd just bet $11 and call a shove. It's stupid, but you end up getting weaker players to commit by doing this.

 

[or3o1990]

What time is the sweat today?

 

[MidMoMan]

Just bet/call. I wouldn't shove though, even though you typically should. I'd just bet $11 and call a shove. It's stupid, but you end up getting weaker players to commit by doing this.

I don't know... seems like he is betting pocket KK?

 

[Figaroo2]

River sizing?

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $17.70 (70.8 bb)
BB: $54.32 (217.3 bb)
UTG+2: $11.47 (45.9 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $25.90 (103.6 bb) VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 3.8, Hands: 135
MP3: $36.27 (145.1 bb)
CO: $34.56 (138.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25.25 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

T

2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 9

5

9

(2 players)
MP2 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.65) 5

(2 players)
MP2 bets $2.70, Hero raises to $5.40, MP2 calls $2.70

River: ($14.45) T

(2 players)
MP2 checks,
Hero bets??
Pretty sure I'm up against an overpair here JJ QQ KK, but the pairs on the board don't do me any favours, I'm sort of hoping he can put me on a busted heart draw.
He is quite wide from EP (23%) and MP (15%) and only 17% wtsd.
I considered a bluffy looking shove, a value bet, or 25-30% and hope be spaz shoves.

Spoiler

$10.35

Spoiler

, MP2 folds
Results: $14.45 pot ($0.65 rake)
Final Board: 9

5

9

5

T

MP2 mucked and lost (-$7.05 net)
Hero mucked T

T

and won $13.80 ($6.75 net)

 

[Aces2w1n]

without looking at the hand... if it was a fishy weaker type player i believe the spaz shove is great.

this guy loves his hand given the call on the turn. id be betting around the 11-12 mark higher up since he loves his hand.

havnt looked at spoiler yet but what could be calling.

sticky 9s and 5s .. the board either helps u get stacks or foolds .......actually after saying that just shove. hes going to either fold easy or call max.. if he has 5 or a 9 he is calling and sticky aa or kk perhaps if hes tilting



could we min bet to entice a shove

 

[jashiggs]

How to play this hand once we get 3bet? Fold, call or 4bet, all have their merits to some extent due to the stats of the villains.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players ZOOM

SB: $19.63 (196.3 bb)
BB: $12.44 (124.4 bb)
UTG+1: $4.98 (49.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
MP1: $17.28 (172.8 bb)
MP2: $10.80 (108 bb) VPIP: 33, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
MP3: $15.28 (152.8 bb)
CO: $18.42 (184.2 bb) VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 22, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
BTN: $7 (70 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q♣ A♥
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP2 calls $2.25, CO calls $1.60

Flop: ($7.65) 2♦ 2♥ K♥ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero folds, MP2 calls $3.10

Turn: ($13.85) J♣ (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $6.61, MP2 calls $5.20 and is all-in

River: ($24.25) 2♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $24.25 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: 2♦ 2♥ K♥ J♣ 2♠
MP2 showed Q♦ Q♥ and won $23.16 ($12.36 net) Calls down in a 4bet pot with this??
CO showed 7♣ A♣ and lost (-$10.80 net) CALLS A 4 bet with this??

Against this villain with small sample size im either calling or tbh leaning towards fold, would more likely consider the 4bet if Mp2 Wasnt involved?

 

[Figaroo2]

Against this villain with small sample size im either calling or tbh leaning towards fold, would more likely consider the 4bet if Mp2 Wasnt involved?

Look at the board again....We are only losing to quads.....at no time in this hand is folding an option against someone opening as wide as this player.

 

[jashiggs]

Look at the board again....We are only losing to quads.....at no time in this hand is folding an option against someone opening as wide as this player.

Sorry, i thought the question on how to play once 3bet was related to PF?

 

[Figaroo2]

Sorry, i thought the question on how to play once 3bet was related to PF?

sorry I thought you were commenting on the last hand posted

 

[steatorrhoea]

Hi John,
I was on vacation the past two weeks. I just tried to download the polished poker book again but the link is still not working.

Can you have a look? I really want to read it and be part of the community.
I am unable to send PM messages at this point. I nearly got banned two weeks ago when I was boosting to 15 posts abling met to send PM's.
thanks,
Steat.

 

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $17.70 (70.8 bb)
BB: $54.32 (217.3 bb)
UTG+2: $11.47 (45.9 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $25.90 (103.6 bb) VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 3.8, Hands: 135
MP3: $36.27 (145.1 bb)
CO: $34.56 (138.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25.25 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

T

2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 9

5

9

(2 players)
MP2 bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.65) 5

(2 players)
MP2 bets $2.70, Hero raises to $5.40, MP2 calls $2.70

River: ($14.45) T

(2 players)
MP2 checks,
Hero bets??
Pretty sure I'm up against an overpair here JJ QQ KK, but the pairs on the board don't do me any favours, I'm sort of hoping he can put me on a busted heart draw.
He is quite wide from EP (23%) and MP (15%) and only 17% wtsd.
I considered a bluffy looking shove, a value bet, or 25-30% and hope be spaz shoves.

Spoiler

$10.35

Spoiler

, MP2 folds
Results: $14.45 pot ($0.65 rake)
Final Board: 9

5

9

5

T

MP2 mucked and lost (-$7.05 net)
Hero mucked T

T

and won $13.80 ($6.75 net)

I'd lean towards a value bet. If you hadn't raised the turn, I'd consider an over bet shove, but given how the hand played out I think a decent value bet around $9-10 would be ideal. I think you're going to get some over pairs to fold no matter what though, and 9's are shipping to anything you bet so it doesn't matter.

 

[John A]

Hi John,
I was on vacation the past two weeks. I just tried to download the polished poker book again but the link is still not working.

Can you have a look? I really want to read it and be part of the community.
I am unable to send PM messages at this point. I nearly got banned two weeks ago when I was boosting to 15 posts abling met to send PM's.
thanks,
Steat.

Yeah, I know I'm aware. ty. It's just not a simple straight forward fix because we lost that server last month, so we have to setup a whole new system for it. It's in the works.

 

[Figaroo2]

I'd lean towards a value bet. If you hadn't raised the turn, I'd consider an over bet shove, but given how the hand played out I think a decent value bet around $9-10 would be ideal. I think you're going to get some over pairs to fold no matter what though, and 9's are shipping to anything you bet so it doesn't matter.

John what do you think of the turn min raise here?
I'm thinking possibly the hand is a little too strong for that play here? I know we talked about using it for weaker 2nd pair type hands but I also tend to use the play in spots like this where I have called preflop with hands like 88 99 TT and there are four under cards and especially If I think they might have flush draws to get that extra value from the draws.
I'm still trying to get to a cheap showdown with a one pair hand when I could be facing a higher over pair.
Sure enough here he checked the river as expected, but this time we hit our gin card which obviously isn't happening very often.
I can see how the shove would look better without the turn raise, much more like a float / busted draw then and be more likely to get calls from his AA KK and maybe QQ. I think JJ probably folds

 

[Aces2w1n]

given opponent only flat our raise on turn... would that cap his range to overpairs??? minimize 5s and 9s?

like if guys call 9 they will call a shove in this spot cuz

 

[Figaroo2]

Good fold or not? aggro opponent.

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $23.67 (118.4 bb) VPIP: 30, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 4.2, Hands: 182
BB: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $32.91 (164.6 bb)
MP1: $31.86 (159.3 bb)
MP2: $21.10 (105.5 bb)
MP3: $21.80 (109 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K

A

Hero raises to $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60, 4 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

Flop: ($2) J

K

2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1, SB raises to $3.20, Hero calls $2.20, MP1 folds

Turn: ($9.40) A

(2 players)
SB bets $4.70, Hero calls $4.70

River: ($18.80) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $15.17 and is all-in, Hero folds, too much chance of a set or flush here for my liking, could we raise the turn? or just call and pick him off on non club rivers...what do you guys think?

Results: $18.80 pot ($0.94 rake)
Final Board: J

K

2

A

3

SB mucked and won $17.86 ($9.36 net)
Hero mucked K

A

and lost (-$8.50 net)

 

[Ian the Fish]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $23.67 (118.4 bb) VPIP: 30, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 4.2, Hands: 182
BB: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $32.91 (164.6 bb)
MP1: $31.86 (159.3 bb)
MP2: $21.10 (105.5 bb)
MP3: $21.80 (109 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K

A

Hero raises to $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60, 4 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

Flop: ($2) J

K

2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1, SB raises to $3.20, Hero calls $2.20, MP1 folds

Turn: ($9.40) A

(2 players)
SB bets $4.70, Hero calls $4.70

River: ($18.80) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $15.17 and is all-in, Hero folds, too much chance of a set or flush here for my liking, could we raise the turn? or just call and pick him off on non club rivers...what do you guys think?

Results: $18.80 pot ($0.94 rake)
Final Board: J

K

2

A

3

SB mucked and won $17.86 ($9.36 net)
Hero mucked K

A

and lost (-$8.50 net)

Judging by the XR on the flop, I'd have to go with QTc, since a set would be more prone in check-calling you all the way through...

I think the fold is good. I think he either got there on the turn or on the river. Wouldn't put him on a set though.

 

[jashiggs]

Judging by the XR on the flop, I'd have to go with QTc, since a set would be more prone in check-calling you all the way through...

I think the fold is good. I think he either got there on the turn or on the river. Wouldn't put him on a set though.

I tend to agree here, well played

 

[steatorrhoea]

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[Ian the Fish]

Hi Ian the fish,
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[Aces2w1n]

i actually think ur sizing on the flop is too small... on a wet board and oop we want to bet much much more at least 3/4 pot size near pot.

i think a dry board in position we can bet half tho.

our villain doesnt have a flush here we block a lot of flushes out... he wishes he had qtc i dont see it... he has a set imo.. we block all his flushes out unless hes getting out of hand.

figs tight player utg we aint calling qtc oop against him no way. ... guy has a set of jacks

the guy raises flop doesnt want flush. and if another broadway comes it hurts. so villain wants value on flop. shoves river so we cant bluff him off

also figs hands face up utg with 2 pair aj ak... maybe aqs is only hand hes afraid of

 

[Aces2w1n]

if fig had aa he wouldnt flat flop

so includinf everything i said he knows we know he dont have a flush and wants us to think hes bluffing but hes demi bluffing with his set and hopes we are sticky with 2p anyways ill shh now

last thing if he bad enough to have qt hes bad enough to have kj

given the jj scenerio and board its hard for someone to bluff cuz he knows we have skmething so given that... flop shouldve been a tight fold

 

[Figaroo2]

Some interesting points guys.
I think he is bad enough to call wide in the SB with QcJc QcTc JcTc and probably smaller suited connectors as well I'm definitely not discounting these hands 3 way and when it's only a single raise. (We know, don't we RHOM....that people like playing suited garbage out of the blinds multiway and I posted a hand last night where I called 3way on the button with JTs and stacked a AK 2pair hand)....so could he also have KJos, maybe but a little less likely Imo.
He is also AF +4 so we are never folding on the flop especially as we have the bd nut draws. He will be raising all his draws here.
Ricky don't assume that he won't be raising here with a set. If you look at the combos of sets there are 6 combos of JJ and 22 and only about the same number of suited combos. The point of playing aggressive is you keep them guessing by raising everything including your good hands.
Also Aces2 don't assume I would play AA any different to AK here, it's still just a 1 pair hand. If I had AA he would have heard about it on the turn.
The fact that he is willing to raise this flop into 2 players including an EP raiser still shows a good degree of strength. He either has a flush draw, a set or KJ here nearly always. Kx is pushing it a bit but even AK cannot be totally excluded although he probably raises this hand pre flop.
So once he shoves the river if he's bluffing he has the heart of a lion and good luck to the bloke.... the way the hand went down more often than not this is a hand stronger than top 2 pair, even aggros usually have it when this amount of bb gets shovelled in there at these stakes.

 

[Figaroo2]

AK hand

This is the range of hands I'm putting him on for him to raise the flop, obviously all the suited hands are clubs. He is a 60/40 fav with two cards to come. Once the A hits on the turn the equity switches to 60/40 in our favour which is why was considering a click back raise on the turn to charge his draws and define his hand.