Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[rhombus]

Would you guys mind if we took a few minutes to talk about table selection? I had a short session last night so I only played for about an hour but I switched to 5 different tables in that time. Every table I sat at was full of passive nits with a couple calling stations for flavour. It was exasperating! It was a positive session but mentally painful.

At least you was aware of it. Until recently I didn't really table select at all when I played regular tables.
Bruce and John posted some good advice in this thread, not sure where
although I did filter the games based on the advice.

Also just found this link might have a look later
The Ultimate Guide to Table Selection for Today's Online Micro Stakes Cash Games



http://www.blackrain79.com/2014/08/the-ultimate-guide-to-table-selection.html

 

[fletchdad]

I wish I could get in on a sweat, but it is a bit late for me. School holidays should be coming up in 2-3 weeks and then I can get involved.

I have been playing a bit, but I have totally revamped my play. I play max 4 tables (was 12-18, and probably the biggest reason I was running so bad). I try to give lots of thought to all the basics, position and players to follow, villains range, how he sees my range or does he see my range at all, a lot of stuff...this type of basic thinking. It is helping a lot. It is easy with 4 tables as well. I actually have time to think, and I need to do this.

I have been playing FR which I have not played in a long time. I posted some hands here and at PZ.

Good luck whoever is in the sweat tonite.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

At least you was aware of it. Until recently I didn't really table select at all when I played regular tables.
Bruce and John posted some good advice in this thread, not sure where
although I did filter the games based on the advice.

Also just found this link might have a look later
The Ultimate Guide to Table Selection for Today's Online Micro Stakes Cash Games



http://www.blackrain79.com/2014/08/the-ultimate-guide-to-table-selection.html

Thanks Rhombus!

 

[rhombus]

sounds good I'd be interested in talking/looking over something like that. Just have to have a good idea of your equity from their ranges.

Wasn't sure what to add in the 1st Matrix when you are the shover to include fold equity.

Breakeven for calling a shove is 40% Equity in a 2 SPR pot

 

[TimovieMan]

That's fine, but fold pre-flop. I don't understand the - it's ok to call with here. Either squeeze or fold. You're in a sandwiched position post flop, and you either flop bottom pair or a weak top pair most of the time as your best flop. How do you win with this hand long term multi-way?

I fully agree, and had a similar discussion about 62s here.

But what if UTG had min-raised and everyone had called, and you were getting 11-to-1 to call in the BB?
I would argue that you could probably play ATC profitably in a spot like that (or at least any 2 suited), but the thing is: I know this is true in limit, but I'm not so sure if this is also the case in NL where your position is less easily overcome.
Thoughts, John?

And would K2s have been acceptable here instead of J2s?

 

[rhombus]

I fully agree, and had a similar discussion about 62s here.

But what if UTG had min-raised and everyone had called, and you were getting 11-to-1 to call in the BB?
I would argue that you could probably play ATC profitably in a spot like that (or at least any 2 suited), but the thing is: I know this is true in limit, but I'm not so sure if this is also the case in NL where your position is less easily overcome.
Thoughts, John?

And would K2s have been acceptable here instead of J2s?

Junk hand OOP but sometimes there must be occasions when ok to just call.

I know in general long term its -EV to call these kind of hands OOP. Ive posted a few here myself then got stacked flush over flush but always exceptions to rules.

i.e. In the hand you linked, I know the UTG players isnt a maniac, but if you knew he was, or a NIT who cant fold AA and would barrel all 3 streets, then is it ok to call.

 

[John A]

I fully agree, and had a similar discussion about 62s here.

But what if UTG had min-raised and everyone had called, and you were getting 11-to-1 to call in the BB?
I would argue that you could probably play ATC profitably in a spot like that (or at least any 2 suited), but the thing is: I know this is true in limit, but I'm not so sure if this is also the case in NL where your position is less easily overcome.
Thoughts, John?

And would K2s have been acceptable here instead of J2s?

I mean of course, if you're getting really good odds and there's bad players in the pot, then join in. But something I've been saying for over 10+ years now... you're not playing limit poker. Pre-flop odds don't really matter that much when you have so much more behind.

 

[John A]

So why doesn't someone start with a semi-recent hand where an opponent opened UTG/MP and you 3-bet from the blinds without a big pair (not balls... but a poker hand). Or it was AK and you whiffed kind of spot.

 

[Figaroo2]

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $14.77 (147.7 bb)
BB: $11.56 (115.6 bb)
MP1: $10.72 (107.2 bb)
MP2: $2.95 (29.5 bb)
MP3: $11.38 (113.8 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 1.9, Hands: 174 (unopened range from CO 33% and button 50%)
BTN: $6.45 (64.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

3 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) Q

J

3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.86, CO calls $0.86

Turn: ($3.52) 6

(2 players)
Hero??
Maybe bigger preflop to 1$, and what should our flop sizing be if we decide to fire the flop?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.38 (103.8 bb)
MP1: $0.54 (5.4 bb) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 31, 3B: 8, AF: 0.0, Hands: 39
MP2: $7.90 (79 bb) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 3.8, Hands: 112
MP3: $15.34 (153.4 bb)
CO: $7.85 (78.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

K

MP1 raises to $0.54 and is all-in, MP2 calls $0.54, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.46

Flop: ($4.64) T

2

3

(3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero?

 

[rhombus]

Hand 1 - I'm prob checking the flop. Hands where TJ or JQ are on the flop, as much as it can hit our range it hits theirs as well. Maybe If I had a bd flush Id bet about $1 Hand 2 - Not sure how to deal with side pots, but as the caller with $$$ left seems passive Id just check and bet turn or river If you hit your A or K

 

[rhombus]

What kind of flops are you looking for below if you call?? some you will fold and others 4BET

Raise OOP and get 3Bet
22-55
66-99
TT- JJ
QQ
KK - AA
ATo/AJo
AQs/AQo
AKs/AKo
78s/89s/9Ts/TJs
A2-A5s


Raise OOP and get 3Bet
22-55
66-99
TT- JJ
QQ
KK - AA
ATo/AJo
AQs/AQo
AKs/AKo
78s/89s/9Ts/TJs
A2-A5s

3Bet and get Called when IP
22-55
66-99
TT- JJ
QQ
KK - AA
ATo/AJo
AQs/AQo
AKs/AKo
78s/89s/9Ts/TJs
A2-A5s

3Bet and get Called when OOP
22-55
66-99
TT- JJ
QQ
KK - AA
ATo/AJo
AQs/AQo
AKs/AKo
78s/89s/9Ts/TJs
A2-A5s

 

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $14.77 (147.7 bb)
BB: $11.56 (115.6 bb)
MP1: $10.72 (107.2 bb)
MP2: $2.95 (29.5 bb)
MP3: $11.38 (113.8 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 1.9, Hands: 174 (unopened range from CO 33% and button 50%)
BTN: $6.45 (64.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

3 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BB folds, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) Q

J

3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.86, CO calls $0.86

Turn: ($3.52) 6

(2 players)
Hero??
Maybe bigger preflop to 1$, and what should our flop sizing be if we decide to fire the flop?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.38 (103.8 bb)
MP1: $0.54 (5.4 bb) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 31, 3B: 8, AF: 0.0, Hands: 39
MP2: $7.90 (79 bb) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 3.8, Hands: 112
MP3: $15.34 (153.4 bb)
CO: $7.85 (78.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

K

MP1 raises to $0.54 and is all-in, MP2 calls $0.54, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.46

Flop: ($4.64) T

2

3

(3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero?

Hand 1- Raise a little more pre... c/f the flop. Only thing you can push off is a stubborn mid pair or a split. (this is a steal spot).

Hand 2, Raise to 2.5$ pre and shove any flop.

Thanks for posting those. I'll try and look for some recent hands when I get back in. Some that are at least 100bbs+ OOP.

 

[TimovieMan]

Hand 2, Raise to 2.5$ pre and shove any flop.

Thanks for the suggestion!


partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 61.76, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
MP: 73 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 32.56, PFR: 11.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 44)
BTN: 123 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 76 BB (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: A:spade:

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 17 BB, fold

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 5:club: 7:heart: T:heart:
Hero bets 79 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 125 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

flop donk overbet from aggro fish

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $19.38 (193.8 bb) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 6, 3B: 14, AF: 4.5, Hands: 18
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $8.87 (88.7 bb)
MP3: $10.15 (101.5 bb) VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.8, Hands: 163
CO: $11.05 (110.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

T

Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
I might not ordinarily open this hand here but the fish in the SB will be oop to me if he plays

Flop: ($1.20) 4

T

5

(4 players)
SB bets $2, BB folds,
Hero?
Not been at this table long but this guy is a nutball, seen a few over bets from him already
hero calls $2, MP3 folds

Turn: ($5.20) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $2.48,
Hero? I'm just thinking fold or shove at this point, was it better to just repop the flop?

Spoiler

Hero raises to $7.70 and is all-in, SB folds

Results: $10.16 pot ($0.46 rake)
Final Board: 4

T

5

Q

SB mucked and lost (-$4.78 net)
Hero mucked A

T

and won $9.70 ($4.92 net)
full of sh1t, I'm opening utg and putting him to the test

 

[John A]

Thanks for the suggestion!


partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 87.5 BB (VPIP: 61.76, PFR: 2.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
MP: 73 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 32.56, PFR: 11.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 44)
BTN: 123 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 76 BB (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ A♠

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 17 BB, fold

Flop: (48 BB, 2 players) 5♣ 7♥ T♥
Hero bets 79 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 125 BB

Yeah, PSB there... very similar hand. You have ~20-25% equity on the flop if you're called, so you don't need a ton of fold equity for it to be profitable. Add to the fact that you'll pick up the hand a good amount of the time pre-flop w/o a flop. Just make sure your flop shove is around 3/4 to slightly over PSB on the flop (like this hand).

Nh.

 

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $19.38 (193.8 bb) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 6, 3B: 14, AF: 4.5, Hands: 18
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $8.87 (88.7 bb)
MP3: $10.15 (101.5 bb) VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.8, Hands: 163
CO: $11.05 (110.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

T

Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
I might not ordinarily open this hand here but the fish in the SB will be oop to me if he plays

Flop: ($1.20) 4

T

5

(4 players)
SB bets $2, BB folds,
Hero?
Not been at this table long but this guy is a nutball, seen a few over bets from him already
hero calls $2, MP3 folds

Turn: ($5.20) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $2.48,
Hero? I'm just thinking fold or shove at this point, was it better to just repop the flop?

Spoiler

Hero raises to $7.70 and is all-in, SB folds

Results: $10.16 pot ($0.46 rake)
Final Board: 4

T

5

Q

SB mucked and lost (-$4.78 net)
Hero mucked A

T

and won $9.70 ($4.92 net)
full of sh1t, I'm opening utg and putting him to the test

On the flop I min raise and stack off. These kinds of guys will get it in with worse so often, you'd be surprised. As played because of stacks, ya, turn if kind of shove or fold. It's a small sample, but I'm sure you've been observing other things that lead you to the nutball classification.

 

[Figaroo2]

On the flop I min raise and stack off. These kinds of guys will get it in with worse so often, you'd be surprised. As played because of stacks, ya, turn if kind of shove or fold. It's a small sample, but I'm sure you've been observing other things that lead you to the nutball classification.

Yeah thanks John.

What about this hand?
Shoving like this feels a little weird for me but I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone. It doesn't feel that different to the other AK shoving hands we looked at the other day.
The initial 3bettor was pretty wide, its only 5 nl I'm comfortable messing around shoving and seeing what works at these stakes. I wouldn't be comfortable doing this at 20 -25nl.
I'm playing on 888 at varied stakes, only at 5nl when I can't find a decent 10 or 20nl table


Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $4.22 (84.4 bb) VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 4.3, Hands: 173
UTG+2: $9.93 (198.6 bb)
MP1: $5.65 (113 bb)
Hero (MP2): $5.07 (101.4 bb) I was showing 14/10 in this session, pretty snug.
MP3: $6.91 (138.2 bb) VPIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 340
CO: $4.90 (98 bb)
BTN: $7.08 (141.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

A

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.11, MP3 raises to $0.33, 3 folds, BB calls $0.28, Hero raises to $1.08, MP3 calls $0.75, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.26) 5

3

8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.99 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results: $3.26 pot ($0.19 rake)
Final Board: 5

3

8

BB mucked and lost (-$1.08 net)
Hero mucked K

A

and won $3.07 ($1.99 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$1.08 net)

 

[rhombus]

Hand 1- Raise a little more pre... c/f the flop. Only thing you can push off is a stubborn mid pair or a split. (this is a steal spot).

Hand 2, Raise to 2.5$ pre and shove any flop.

Thanks for posting those. I'll try and look for some recent hands when I get back in. Some that are at least 100bbs+ OOP.

Hand 2, I remember watching a video before, (might have been jonathan little in a tournament but same principle) raised the villains stack about 1/3 with a hand like AK and said ok to shove any flop.

Think its same principle re pocket AA in PLO when OOP , dont 3bet unless you can get about 1/3 of your stack in. i.e.
starting stacks 100.

get 1/3 in 33.33 + villians 33.33 = 66.66 and you have 66.66 left so SPR only 1.

 

[John A]

Yeah thanks John.

What about this hand?
Shoving like this feels a little weird for me but I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone. It doesn't feel that different to the other AK shoving hands we looked at the other day.
The initial 3bettor was pretty wide, its only 5 nl I'm comfortable messing around shoving and seeing what works at these stakes. I wouldn't be comfortable doing this at 20 -25nl.
I'm playing on 888 at varied stakes, only at 5nl when I can't find a decent 10 or 20nl table


Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $4.22 (84.4 bb) VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 4.3, Hands: 173
UTG+2: $9.93 (198.6 bb)
MP1: $5.65 (113 bb)
Hero (MP2): $5.07 (101.4 bb) I was showing 14/10 in this session, pretty snug.
MP3: $6.91 (138.2 bb) VPIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 340
CO: $4.90 (98 bb)
BTN: $7.08 (141.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

A

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.11, MP3 raises to $0.33, 3 folds, BB calls $0.28, Hero raises to $1.08, MP3 calls $0.75, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.26) 5

3

8

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.99 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results: $3.26 pot ($0.19 rake)
Final Board: 5

3

8

BB mucked and lost (-$1.08 net)
Hero mucked K

A

and won $3.07 ($1.99 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$1.08 net)

Against 2 regulars in a 4 bet pot... no I would probably never shove here. I'm pretty surprised that both folded honestly. Someone must have folded 99-JJ here, because 3 people having Ax is pretty unlikely w/o someone having shoved pre.

 

[John A]

Fyi... I had to wipe my database on my new system, so I don't have any more DB hands right now. I'd like to go over some 3-bet spots OOP vs UTG and MP openers when we whiff. I can come up with some hypotheticals if you guys want, but also looking at specific hands can be more meaningful.

If someone has some more hands maybe with AK, or bluff we can look at those.

 

[TimovieMan]

These are from my last week at WPN:


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 187 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 1,993)
CO: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 17.63, 3Bet Preflop: 4.96, Hands: 1,290)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.60, PFR: 24.17, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 461)
Hero (SB): 261 BB
BB: 104 BB (VPIP: 15.75, PFR: 8.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 156)
UTG: 172.5 BB (VPIP: 24.66, PFR: 20.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 898)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: K:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 3:heart: 2:spade: T:diamond:
Hero bets 12 BB, UTG calls 12 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) Q:club:
Hero bets 21 BB, fold

Hero wins 41 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (SB): 234 BB
BB: 161.5 BB (VPIP: 25.47, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 1,749)
UTG: 59.5 BB (VPIP: 40.70, PFR: 27.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 176)
CO: 193.5 BB (VPIP: 17.74, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 62)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) K:diamond: 8:heart: 5:diamond:
Hero bets 12 BB, UTG raises to 47.5 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 47 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 40 BB
UTG: 127 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 32.14, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 89)
CO: 118.5 BB (VPIP: 22.34, PFR: 10.70, 3Bet Preflop: 1.35, Hands: 190)
BTN: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 17.92, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 107)
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: T:spade:

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 9:club: 7:heart: 8:diamond:
Hero bets 16 BB, CO calls 16 BB

Turn: (57 BB, 2 players) 4:club:
Hero checks, CO bets 27 BB, Hero raises to 72.5 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 105.5 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 515.5 BB (VPIP: 27.01, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 9.22, Hands: 879)
CO: 202 BB (VPIP: 21.04, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 562)
BTN: 45.5 BB (VPIP: 32.53, PFR: 4.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (SB): 172 BB
BB: 379 BB (VPIP: 36.73, PFR: 25.51, 3Bet Preflop: 14.05, Hands: 305)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 4:heart: 9:club: 2:club:
Hero bets 12 BB, fold

Hero wins 24 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 110.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.94, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 65)
CO: 284.5 BB (VPIP: 25.70, PFR: 20.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.97, Hands: 1,122)
BTN: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 21.81, PFR: 19.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 664)
SB: 197 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 635)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:spade: A:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: 8:diamond: J:diamond:
Hero bets 16 BB, fold

Hero wins 23.5 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 32.20, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.80, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.40, Hands: 2,703)
CO: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 19.46, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 306)
BTN: 144 BB (VPIP: 21.01, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 279)
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 29.07, PFR: 24.30, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 1,748)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: Q:spade:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 7:spade: 8:club: 5:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets 12.5 BB, fold

CO wins 19 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

At 10-25nl the regs don't usually fold on the flop when they are in position and want to see the evidence of 2 or even 3 barrels depending on how sticky they are.

Currently I'll usually cbet when I have a hand that can improve to at least a higher pair than is there on the flop so minimum 2 over cards or 1 over plus backdoors.
If I pick up more decent equity on the flop then fire again and hope to hit a hand on the river that can be fired for value. If we whiff the river then I'm giving up unless the villain has a very low wtsd or the board is very helpful like 4 to a flush or straight.

 

[John A]

Anyone going on for sweat?

 

[John A]

These are from my last week at WPN:

Thanks for sharing these. There's some good lessons in here. I might break this up into multiple posts. We'll see how it goes.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 187 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 1,993)
CO: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 17.63, 3Bet Preflop: 4.96, Hands: 1,290)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.60, PFR: 24.17, 3Bet Preflop: 14.89, Hands: 461)
Hero (SB): 261 BB
BB: 104 BB (VPIP: 15.75, PFR: 8.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 156)
UTG: 172.5 BB (VPIP: 24.66, PFR: 20.21, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 898)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ K♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 3♥ 2♠ T♦
Hero bets 12 BB, UTG calls 12 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero bets 21 BB, fold

Hero wins 41 BB

Risking 21 to win 43 here is good here. Primarily because if we assume villain calls pre with 77+/AK, we have many more combos of better hands and splits we can push out than hands that beat you - TT/QQ/KK+. It's also safe because it's an easy fold if villain shoves. There's no way you have more than 15% equity at that point, so it's easy to get away from your hand.

But if the Q didn't come, and say it was a 9, are you still firing the turn?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (SB): 234 BB
BB: 161.5 BB (VPIP: 25.47, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 1,749)
UTG: 59.5 BB (VPIP: 40.70, PFR: 27.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 176)
CO: 193.5 BB (VPIP: 17.74, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 62)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♠ A♠

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) K♦ 8♥ 5♦
Hero bets 12 BB, UTG raises to 47.5 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 47 BB

Even though villain seems to likely be opening wide, I'd still prefer a flat to a 3-bet here pre-flop. Any ways, as played, you need to bet around 16 and fold to a shove. This is part of the issue w/ 3-betting here against someone who is loose and short. If I was going to 3-bet, it will purely be for initiative because this opponent likely won't fold anything to a 3-bet, so increasing your sizing doesn't tend to increase fold equity. It's something important to keep in mind. I'd just make it 9 bbs, or even 8 and then c-bet most flops. But again, I'd prefer to just flat against someone like this, or even fold and wait for this same hand in position.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 40 BB
UTG: 127 BB (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 32.14, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 89)
CO: 118.5 BB (VPIP: 22.34, PFR: 10.70, 3Bet Preflop: 1.35, Hands: 190)
BTN: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 17.92, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 107)
Hero (SB): 100.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ T♠

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 7♥ 8♦
Hero bets 16 BB, CO calls 16 BB

Turn: (57 BB, 2 players) 4♣
Hero checks, CO bets 27 BB, Hero raises to 72.5 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 105.5 BB

Not a fan of the turn CR simple because we shouldn't have any fold equity (even though it turned out he folded), but as you move up competent opponents shouldn't be betting this turn if they play on folding. I'd just prefer bet/bet, or CR the flop because if it goes check/check it's not that bad.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 515.5 BB (VPIP: 27.01, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 9.22, Hands: 879)
CO: 202 BB (VPIP: 21.04, PFR: 12.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 562)
BTN: 45.5 BB (VPIP: 32.53, PFR: 4.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
Hero (SB): 172 BB
BB: 379 BB (VPIP: 36.73, PFR: 25.51, 3Bet Preflop: 14.05, Hands: 305)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 9♣ 2♣
Hero bets 12 BB, fold

Hero wins 24 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 110.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.94, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 65)
CO: 284.5 BB (VPIP: 25.70, PFR: 20.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.97, Hands: 1,122)
BTN: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 21.81, PFR: 19.16, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 664)
SB: 197 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 635)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♠ A♠

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 5♥ 8♦ J♦
Hero bets 16 BB, fold

Hero wins 23.5 BB



Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 68 BB (VPIP: 32.20, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.80, PFR: 20.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.40, Hands: 2,703)
CO: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 19.46, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 306)
BTN: 144 BB (VPIP: 21.01, PFR: 16.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 279)
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 29.07, PFR: 24.30, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 1,748)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♦ Q♠

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 7♠ 8♣ 5♠
Hero checks, CO bets 12.5 BB, fold

CO wins 19 BB

 

[John A]

Waiting for some MTT's and jumped on this table. An, oh crap, I made my hand and it's pretty disguised. Opponent seemed fishy, but I only had a couple of hands at the table at this point. I probably should have just shoved, and I debated it because I figured there's mostly only sets that are paying here. But then I thought maybe he just has top pair and will still pay with a lot of those combos if I make it just look bluffy. Probably some wishful thinking that he'd fold 88-TT on the turn, but I was going to bet all clubs on the river also.


NL Holdem $1(BB)
SB ($103.85)
BB ($22.45)
UTG ($51.15)
MP ($190.71)
HERO ($109)
HJ ($138.04)
CO ($97.5)
BTN ($105.46)

Dealt to Hero 7:diamond: 7:spade:

UTG Calls $(1), MP Folds, HERO Raises To $(4), HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Calls $(4), SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Calls $(3)

Flop ($12) J:heart: 4:spade: 2:club:
UTG Checks, HERO Bets $7, BTN Calls $7, UTG Folds

Turn ($26) J:heart: 4:spade: 2:club: 5:club:
HERO Bets $13.25, BTN Calls $13.25

River ($52.50) J:heart: 4:spade: 2:club: 5:club: 7:heart:
HERO Bets $57, BTN Calls $57

HERO wins $165

He snap called with JTo.