Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Figaroo2]

A lot of hands might fold but not for the price you gave them on the turn. Your min raise makes the pot 43 with him only having to call 13 more, any draw is taking that. If he has a Ten and his shove suggests he has, I'm not sure why he isn't taking away your odds to draw to a flush on the turn.

I like your new goals a lot well done for thinking about it and adjusting them.

I'm still in limbo at the moment. I'm trying to up my aggression levels but I just keep running into shoves.
Yesterday I played over 3k of hands and the only time I won a stack was getting lucky tilt calling a shove on the flop in a 4 bet pot with AKs with overs a gut shot and back door FD on an 8JQ rainbow board. The villain had 99 and flatted my 4 bet oop and shoved into me. When I saw the 99 I'm like wtf is this. I'm posting 13/10 in over 100 hands and getting no respect on my raises.
I just had to fold off 20-50bb repeatedly yesterday and finished nearly 5bi down.
I'll post some spots later, I'm either finding insanely good folds or not calling it off when I should do. I could use some feedback I certainly don't feel like I'm playing well.

 

[No Brainer]

I have had a very similar couple of days to you I think Figaroo. Saturday I couldn't miss, had fish shoving into me left right and centre and ended up +7BIs. Sunday everyone just seemed to play back at me when I was raising light and folding when I was raising with the goods... Ended up -5BIs. Today was ok, ended up about even I think.

I have just hit the 10k hands mark since I got back into the cash games, would someone mind having a quick look at my stats for anything obvious.I used to play full ring but have changed to 6 max for now and I am enjoying it but not sure if I am picking all the right spots just yet.

I think I am calling too often from the button/blinds and by the looks of my aggression in BB I am just check/calling a lot? I don't think I float OOP much at all as I know that is a good way to lose money, I might have to go through my hands and see what it is I am doing.

Should my VPIP be lower in both blinds and higher from BTN? Same with 3bet I guess.

 

[rhombus]

started to play what you guys call proper poker i.e. 6Max Non Zoom lol. Its a totally different game and givs aoyu alot better chance to read players and notice game dynamics more. Even though I lost 2.5 buyins mainly losing down to a flip and a 70/30 AIPF, it seems an easier game so might stick with it abit.

3 Hands below Fold or Call
Hand 1 Villain 21/17 54%AG 108 hands
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.85 (118.5 bb)
BB: $31.83 (318.3 bb)
UTG: $12.33 (123.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $16.89 (168.9 bb)
CO: $12.52 (125.2 bb)
BTN: $10.45 (104.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2

2

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) J

K

3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($3.05) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $2.65, Hero ??????

Hand 2 Villain 14/10 AG71% 110 hand tight preflop very aggro Post
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $18.95 (189.5 bb)
CO: $22.03 (220.3 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

9

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) A

6

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($2.20) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

River: ($5.40) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero ??? does the river bet size affect call/fold

Hand 3 75/7 AG 46% 46 hands

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $6.28 (62.8 bb)
UTG: $13.39 (133.9 bb)
MP: $21.59 (215.9 bb)
CO: $12.21 (122.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

6

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.22, CO folds, Hero calls $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.71) 6

J

7

(3 players)
BB bets $0.10, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.31) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60

River: ($5.51) T

(2 players)
BB bets $3.66 and is all-in, Hero ?????????

Loose Passive Preflop are they usually aggro Postflop?????

 

[rhombus]

I have had a very similar couple of days to you I think Figaroo. Saturday I couldn't miss, had fish shoving into me left right and centre and ended up +7BIs. Sunday everyone just seemed to play back at me when I was raising light and folding when I was raising with the goods... Ended up -5BIs. Today was ok, ended up about even I think.

I have just hit the 10k hands mark since I got back into the cash games, would someone mind having a quick look at my stats for anything obvious.I used to play full ring but have changed to 6 max for now and I am enjoying it but not sure if I am picking all the right spots just yet.

I think I am calling too often from the button/blinds and by the looks of my aggression in BB I am just check/calling a lot? I don't think I float OOP much at all as I know that is a good way to lose money, I might have to go through my hands and see what it is I am doing.

Should my VPIP be lower in both blinds and higher from BTN? Same with 3bet I guess.

not an expert on stats so Id wait for better input from the other guys but when you mention 3Betting and button, looking at mine I 3bet way to much from blinds and not enough from Button so maybe 3Bet or fold on Button as you mentioned you might be calling to much from there and you 3bet more in blinds than on button

 

[Yoshiaki]

Hi rhombus, about your 3bet stats , i think they are kinda lowish, in the button and blinds you can take them up to 8%+, specially vs players who are folding a lot
Hand 1:
i dont like your double barrel on the paired Jack on the turn, because if you are double barrel bluffing with deuces, king is never folding in that spot , flush draws neither ( and u are flipping with them which isnt good) and the J could fold in another turn, so.. you are not getting a better hand to fold in that spot. of course as played, fold river.
Hand 2:
sick spot where i would play the same, and c/fold river specially vs that sizing is so value.
Hand 3:
Another sick spot where the Td complete straight and flushes , but he seems kinda fishy and wouldnt be surprised to be shown a JTo , or any weird 2 pair combos. Also the Agg isnt a good indicator bc of the small smaple.I guess the fold is the safest play , specially at nl10.

PD: hi! idk how this group works or if i can post ( im new to cc) but i would like to join it , regards

 

[John A]

I dont follow ??????? 15/2 to flop set thats why you normaly need about 20/1 to account for not getting paid if you hit.

That's why with small pairs, you'll call w/ smaller effective stacks with weaker players, Weaker players will pay you off when shallow or deep and fold more liberally with larger effective stacks against decent regs - or you should be
Why fold when effective stacks are deeper against decent regs - thought they were ideal to call with pocket pairs for good implied odds especially against tight regs even if you know they have AA

I'm just saying there's some regs you'd want to fold versus that you'd call w/ the same effective stacks if they were a fish. Example, your call is about 10% of effective stacks, and vs. a fish you'd likely still call, where a reg you should be typically folding.

 

[rhombus]

Hi rhombus, about your 3bet stats , i think they are kinda lowish, in the button and blinds you can take them up to 8%+, specially vs players who are folding a lot
Hand 1:
i dont like your double barrel on the paired Jack on the turn, because if you are double barrel bluffing with deuces, king is never folding in that spot , flush draws neither ( and u are flipping with them which isnt good) and the J could fold in another turn, so.. you are not getting a better hand to fold in that spot. of course as played, fold river.
Hand 2:
sick spot where i would play the same, and c/fold river specially vs that sizing is so value.
Hand 3:
Another sick spot where the Td complete straight and flushes , but he seems kinda fishy and wouldnt be surprised to be shown a JTo , or any weird 2 pair combos. Also the Agg isnt a good indicator bc of the small smaple.I guess the fold is the safest play , specially at nl10.

PD: hi! idk how this group works or if i can post ( im new to cc) but i would like to join it , regards

Thanks for your input. Ill post results if more answer.

As for posting, you are more than welcome the more the merrier. Post hands, interesting spots and comment on others. Some of the members have sweat sessions on skype.

Also free book to download, just go to link below and enter your email.

The author John pops in alot asking for advice cos hes a donk, although maybe I got that the other way round

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/Free_poker_ebook.php

 

[John A]

I felt like this was an awesome spot to raise. I'm not getting a good price enough but I have a lot of equity and the board is pretty scary. Maybe I should have made it bigger though. I don't know what besides a 10 or 10xclubs he can 4bet me with here. In hindsight this guy was a reg so maybe I could have avoided tangling with him but a lot of hands should be finding a fold here, right?

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 153.34 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
CO: 55.9 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 110.1 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)
SB: 218.88 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (BB): 105.55 BB
UTG: 195.84 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♣ 4♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) Q♦ K♣ 9♣
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, fold

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) J♥
SB bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, SB raises to 37 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

River: (93 BB, 2 players) 7♦
SB raises to 173.88 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 91.5 BB

I think your turn raise size is fine, but why are you in the pot to begin with?

 

[rhombus]

I'm just saying there's some regs you'd want to fold versus that you'd call w/ the same effective stacks if they were a fish. Example, your call is about 10% of effective stacks, and vs. a fish you'd likely still call, where a reg you should be typically folding.

Ok thanks. I usually fold when 10% and go for the 20/1 around 5% and occasionally 10% if a fish is in there as well.

I did think after as usually the deeper the better but there must be a cap on SPR or number of BBs, as I wouldnt fancy getting in 250 BBs on a flop if I flopped bottom set and it went all in

 

[rhombus]

I think your turn raise size is fine, but why are you in the pot to begin with?

Ive started to do similar thing in pots where I dont think the flop or turn hits their range and check raise to up my aggression if I have something like an over card and a backdoor straight or flush.

As for the why are you in the pot to begin with, Not only can John have a law - its called Rhombus Bacon Butty Law, you know its bad for you but temptation sometimes wins.

 

[or3o1990]

A lot of hands might fold but not for the price you gave them on the turn. Your min raise makes the pot 43 with him only having to call 13 more, any draw is taking that. If he has a Ten and his shove suggests he has, I'm not sure why he isn't taking away your odds to draw to a flush on the turn.

I like your new goals a lot well done for thinking about it and adjusting them.

I'm still in limbo at the moment. I'm trying to up my aggression levels but I just keep running into shoves.
Yesterday I played over 3k of hands and the only time I won a stack was getting lucky tilt calling a shove on the flop in a 4 bet pot with AKs with overs a gut shot and back door FD on an 8JQ rainbow board. The villain had 99 and flatted my 4 bet oop and shoved into me. When I saw the 99 I'm like wtf is this. I'm posting 13/10 in over 100 hands and getting no respect on my raises.
I just had to fold off 20-50bb repeatedly yesterday and finished nearly 5bi down.
I'll post some spots later, I'm either finding insanely good folds or not calling it off when I should do. I could use some feedback I certainly don't feel like I'm playing well.

I'm pretty sure that he must have had a 10 but yeah I should have made it a bit bigger. If it had been heads up I would have probably raised the flop instead. I think that's better because then it's more likely I can get a free river but with the other player still in on the flop I'm not so sure.

Yeah, go ahead and post some of those hands up when you have time. If you wanted to get a sweat session in today lmk. I don't plan on playing but I'll leave my skype open. If you don't feel like playing either we could also do some HH review and talk about some of those spots.

 

[or3o1990]

I think your turn raise size is fine, but why are you in the pot to begin with?

That's a good question. I've been trying to avoid the suited connectors from the blinds even though it's a pretty sweat price. OOP against that reg who had been pounding me already I probably should have just stayed out of the way.

 

[duggs]

54cc, preflop seems questionable, obviously coming in with small pairs, but we are going to have to go ham on alot of boards to recoup those 2bb, if it werent utg id be much more fond of it. even 6max utg id be fine with

 

[Figaroo2]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $30.10 (150.5 bb) - VPIP: 43, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 47 WTSD 10%
Hero (BB): $20.65 (103.3 bb)
UTG+2: $16.50 (82.5 bb)
MP1: $23.12 (115.6 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $70.50 (352.5 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $40.85 (204.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A:diamond: K:diamond:
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.35, 3 folds, SB calls $2.55

Flop: ($8.50) Q:club: 4:diamond: 9:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.85, SB calls $4.85

Turn: ($18.20) 2:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.20) 9:club: (2 players)
SB bets $21.90, Hero folds

Seems pretty standard, we get to see a free river by half potting the flop and whiff so we have to give up right?
I saw he was WTSD 10% but didn't think it was worth firing again with the SPR as it is, I didn't think I could get him to fold top pair.

 

[Yoshiaki]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $30.10 (150.5 bb) - VPIP: 43, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 47 WTSD 10%
Hero (BB): $20.65 (103.3 bb)
UTG+2: $16.50 (82.5 bb)
MP1: $23.12 (115.6 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $70.50 (352.5 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $40.85 (204.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font>
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.35, 3 folds, SB calls $2.55

Flop: ($8.50) Q<font color='black'>♣</font> 4<font color='red'>♦</font> 9<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.85, SB calls $4.85

Turn: ($18.20) 2<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.20) 9<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
SB bets $21.90, Hero folds

Seems pretty standard, we get to see a free river by half potting the flop and whiff so we have to give up right?
I saw he was WTSD 10% but didn't think it was worth firing again with the SPR as it is, I didn't think I could get him to fold top pair.

Hi Figaroo, i think that vs that fish you can c/back on the flop becuse with that flop you will have some good turns , and sometimes fishes would c/raise you all in with any pair and you will fold , Also you are IP. As played, a give up is ok i think

 

[Yoshiaki]

Hi, my first hand here give me your feedback pls.
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
€50.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 05:55:16 ET 2016
Table Bramming (real money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €81.57 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 342
Seat 3: Hero ( €50.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 89197
Seat 5: Player5 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 26
Seat 6: Player6 ( €50.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 10, AF: 3.1, Hands: 308
Seat 8: Player8 ( €50.60 EUR ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 34, 3B: 17, AF: 2.0, Hands: 56
Seat 10: Player10 ( €124.88 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 342
Player6 posts small blind [€0.25 EUR].
Player8 posts big blind [€0.50 EUR].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9d 7d ]
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [€1.25 EUR]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 raises [€4.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€3.25 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 3s, 8c ]
Player8 bets [€6.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€6.00 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Player8 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Player8 bets [€26.00 EUR]
Hero ???

In this case i like that idea of playing IP 97s against this player because he was going so wild with many hands , totally a maniac pre and postflop that slowplayed his big hands . The problem was that i've never seen him overbetting so.. what would you do?

 

[John A]

I'm pretty sure that he must have had a 10 but yeah I should have made it a bit bigger. If it had been heads up I would have probably raised the flop instead. I think that's better because then it's more likely I can get a free river but with the other player still in on the flop I'm not so sure.

Yeah, go ahead and post some of those hands up when you have time. If you wanted to get a sweat session in today lmk. I don't plan on playing but I'll leave my skype open. If you don't feel like playing either we could also do some HH review and talk about some of those spots.

I think your turn sizing was fine. If you raise more, any combo draw is either folding or shoving, so why bet/fold more. You're basically trying to push out one pair hands and bluffs (that still have you beat).

We were just having this discussion in here a few posts again. There's a big difference between equity and EV in relation to pot odds in no-limit. You're not playing limit poker, and you're not in a push/fold scenario. So you need to be thinking in terms of EV if you call in a spot like that. I think you're a good poker player, but I'm not sure you could win more than -100bb/100 calling MW from an UTG raise at FR.

 

[John A]

Hi, my first hand here give me your feedback pls.
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (IPoker)
€50.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 05:55:16 ET 2016
Table Bramming (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €81.57 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 342
Seat 3: Hero ( €50.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 89197
Seat 5: Player5 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 26
Seat 6: Player6 ( €50.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 10, AF: 3.1, Hands: 308
Seat 8: Player8 ( €50.60 EUR ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 34, 3B: 17, AF: 2.0, Hands: 56
Seat 10: Player10 ( €124.88 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 342
Player6 posts small blind [€0.25 EUR].
Player8 posts big blind [€0.50 EUR].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9d 7d ]
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [€1.25 EUR]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 raises [€4.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€3.25 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 3s, 8c ]
Player8 bets [€6.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€6.00 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Player8 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Player8 bets [€26.00 EUR]
Hero ???

In this case i like that idea of playing IP 97s against this player because he was going so wild with many hands , totally a maniac pre and postflop that slowplayed his big hands . The problem was that i've never seen him overbetting so.. what would you do?

I understand you think he's a maniac, but you really don't know how skilled he is post flop w/ only that many hands. I wouldn't look at someone's stats and make the conclusion you made. I'd think, he's a LAG player... TBD on if he's a good, decent, or bad LAG.

Considering he's 3-betting at a decent clip already and you only have 9 high I'd 4-bet IP so that you can begin to set a precedence against this kind of player. If you just call and don't end up winning the hand, or worse, fold pre-flop, you're going to be opening the flood gates for more 3-bets. It's just not a spot you want to get into w/ this kind of player in general.

So as played, now you know something more by the river. He's at least a decent or good LAG. He's put himself into a polarized spot, knowing you don't have much of a hand since you checked the turn on that board, and he knows exactly what your range is. Now you have to guess, does he have a Q or not, or maybe he has even a worse hand, that sill beats the majority of the combos of hands you'd have in this spot, and he's a good LAG. Bottom line is you want to be thinking about these things also pre-flop.

So a call / fold here doesn't really matter much honestly. You don't have enough info to know what kind of LAG he is, but if you want to build history, then you should call. If he hasn't been getting out of line post flop, then folding is perfectly fine too. Just make sure you know why you're getting into a pot w/ him next time and what your plan is.

 

[Figaroo2]

I have just hit the 10k hands mark since I got back into the cash games, would someone mind having a quick look at my stats for anything obvious.I used to play full ring but have changed to 6 max for now and I am enjoying it but not sure if I am picking all the right spots just yet.

I think I am calling too often from the button/blinds and by the looks of my aggression in BB I am just check/calling a lot? I don't think I float OOP much at all as I know that is a good way to lose money, I might have to go through my hands and see what it is I am doing.

Should my VPIP be lower in both blinds and higher from BTN? Same with 3bet I guess.

I ran leakbuster on my 6max hands for last year and the recommended BTN UO PFR is between 41-48% so open more hands from the button is the main area to improve. A few more % from the CO would also be good.
The rest of your vpip range% by position are decent
Your loss rate in the bb is good, anything less than -30bb/100 is decent.
So therefore your SB loss rate is a little high as you want this closer to -15bb/100.
Your sample size is small though so a couple of big hands can make a big impact on the figures.
Your 3 bet stats are just a little low and can come up as high as 8% in then blinds without issue, that sort of range keeps them guessing bit more. 6% isn't a leak though.

 

[Figaroo2]

Hi, my first hand here give me your feedback pls.
IPoker €50.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 11, 05:55:16 ET 2016

Seat 5 is the button
Seat 3: Hero ( €50.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 89197
Seat 8: Player8 ( €50.60 EUR ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 34, 3B: 17, AF: 2.0, Hands: 56
Player6 posts small blind [€0.25 EUR].
Player8 posts big blind [€0.50 EUR].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9d 7d ]
Hero raises [€1.25 EUR]
Player8 raises [€4.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€3.25 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 3s, 8c ]
Player8 bets [€6.00 EUR]
Hero calls [€6.00 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Player8 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Player8 bets [€26.00 EUR]
Hero ???

In this case i like that idea of playing IP 97s against this player because he was going so wild with many hands , totally a maniac pre and postflop that slowplayed his big hands . The problem was that i've never seen him overbetting so.. what would you do?

Welcome Yoshiaki, always good to have another fresh opinion in the thread

I agree with John if you look at the preflop equity even if he's 3betting 17% that range is still a 65% / 35% fav over 79s and that is a big deficit to make up against an aggressive player even with position.
Early on I prefer the 4 bet with this hand as it is an easy let go if he 5 bets and it lets him know he's can't just 3bet at will.
So you pick up 2nd pair and some backdoors with no idea where you stand, I can't see you can do much different and be comfortable. Id look at his WTSD% and if it was lowish I might fire a 2nd barrel. Just because hes a maniac doesn't always mean they go mad in 3bet pots

 

[or3o1990]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $30.10 (150.5 bb) - VPIP: 43, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 47 WTSD 10%
Hero (BB): $20.65 (103.3 bb)
UTG+2: $16.50 (82.5 bb)
MP1: $23.12 (115.6 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $70.50 (352.5 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
BTN: $40.85 (204.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♦ K♦
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.80, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.35, 3 folds, SB calls $2.55

Flop: ($8.50) Q♣ 4♦ 9♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.85, SB calls $4.85

Turn: ($18.20) 2♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.20) 9♣ (2 players)
SB bets $21.90, Hero folds

Seems pretty standard, we get to see a free river by half potting the flop and whiff so we have to give up right?
I saw he was WTSD 10% but didn't think it was worth firing again with the SPR as it is, I didn't think I could get him to fold top pair.

Yeah, I think this is pretty standard. He most likely has a mid pair and with the 2 on the turn it's unlikely betting again will have gotten a fold.

54cc, preflop seems questionable, obviously coming in with small pairs, but we are going to have to go ham on alot of boards to recoup those 2bb, if it werent utg id be much more fond of it. even 6max utg id be fine with

Would you consider it a mistake to fold here if it was 6max? I think it's probably pretty close right, depending on if I think I have a post flop edge against the villians?

 

[or3o1990]

I think your turn sizing was fine. If you raise more, any combo draw is either folding or shoving, so why bet/fold more. You're basically trying to push out one pair hands and bluffs (that still have you beat).

We were just having this discussion in here a few posts again. There's a big difference between equity and EV in relation to pot odds in no-limit. You're not playing limit poker, and you're not in a push/fold scenario. So you need to be thinking in terms of EV if you call in a spot like that. I think you're a good poker player, but I'm not sure you could win more than -100bb/100 calling MW from an UTG raise at FR.

Not an excuse, more of a note for the future but I was possibly a bit tilted at the time. I could barely win a hand at that table and had been going to war with the tight aggressive reg on my right. I didn't have much of a read on the utg opener either. Loose and bad flat for sure.

 

[Figaroo2]

started to play what you guys call proper poker i.e. 6Max Non Zoom lol. Its a totally different game and givs aoyu alot better chance to read players and notice game dynamics more. Even though I lost 2.5 buyins mainly losing down to a flip and a 70/30 AIPF, it seems an easier game so might stick with it abit.

3 Hands below Fold or Call
Hand 1 Villain 21/17 54%AG 108 hands
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
BB: $31.83 (318.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $16.89 (168.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2

2

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.65) J

K

3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.45) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80
River: ($3.05) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $2.65, Hero ??????

Hand 2 Villain 14/10 AG 71% 110 hand tight preflop very aggro Post
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

9

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.60) A

6

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.43
Turn: ($2.20) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60
River: ($5.40) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero ??? does the river bet size affect call/fold

Hand 3 75/7 AG 46% 46 hands
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
BB: $6.28 (62.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

6

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.22, CO folds, Hero calls $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.71) 6

J

7

(3 players)
BB bets $0.10, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.31) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60
River: ($5.51) T

(2 players)
BB bets $3.66 and is all-in, Hero ?????????
Loose Passive Preflop are they usually aggro Postflop?????

hand 1 clear fold.
With the double broadway even firing the flop is dubious. We have talked before about double broadway flops and the fact that anyone with two broadway cards themselves has at least a gutshot to the nuts or a pair with backdoors and are calling at least once. The double barrel is out of the question unless you are going to 3barrel bluff.

Hand 2....AG71% makes this a clear call for me, he could have anything here. If he has a flush hes getting paid by me.

Hand 3. The 10c lead is the draw...good raise on the flop. I might make it nearer $2 on the turn, terrible river card but he's a total fish so I can't see folding a set when its $3.66 to win over $9, we don't have to be good that often. We are probably beaten but I'd see it as just a short term loan.

 

[Yoshiaki]

Thanks John and Figaroo for the replys, i'll be active here. I called in that hand and he showed A3s . After this hand , he went full donk mode and started a 65/51 style , so not a good lag at all, just spewy.

 

[John A]

Thanks John and Figaroo for the replys, i'll be active here. I called in that hand and he showed A3s . After this hand , he went full donk mode and started a 65/51 style , so not a good lag at all, just spewy.

Nice. Ya, I think he played the hand well though. So maybe he was on tilt, possibly even just playing lower than he normally does. Regardless, he put you into a tough spot by turning bottom pair into a bluff and over betting the river. That's not something a bad player does. It was the correct play given how the hand played out.