Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Sneaky Feet]

I opened it ok using firefox, you can also just right click on it and save as a picture

I'll check it when I get home tonight. The office won't let me use Firefox : /

Thanks again guys!

 

[rhombus]

Thanks again Rhombus. I see where I added 1 too many outs because of counting 9s twice.

And just when I thought I was getting the idea of outs they up and change it on me! Doh! Lol

So to keep it simple, from there how do I calculate to a ratio?

12 outs = 44%
Calling 9bb to win 26bb

9/44 = 4.9:1?

There's got to be a quicker way. Or is it just practice and repetition?

easiest way is use a chart then memorise it. Also depends what you can calculate easier percentages or odds.

think in your example you have got it all wrong

44% is (100/44)-1 or 1.27/1

9/44 = 4.9:1 has nothing to do with 44%

to work out odds, the easiest way is divide the Bad Cards by the Good Cards

i.e. if you flop a flush draw you have 9 outs and you know 5 of the other cards(2
in your hand and 3 on the flop)

so out of the 47 cards 38 are bad and 9 are good your flush cards

so 38/9 = 4.2222/1

On the turn you now know 6 cards so 1 less bad card
so 37/9 = 4.11111/1

in your example calling 9bbs to win 26bbs is approximately 1 in 3 or 2/1 odds or 33% lol

because you are 44% then a call becasue its higher than 33%.

 

[rhombus]

or memorise chart below
or try this cardschat link https://www.cardschat.com/odds-for-dummies.php

 

[Sneaky Feet]

easiest way is use a chart then memorise it. Also depends what you can calculate easier percentages or odds.

think in your example you have got it all wrong

44% is (100/44)-1 or 1.27/1

9/44 = 4.9:1 has nothing to do with 44%

to work out odds, the easiest way is divide the Bad Cards by the Good Cards

i.e. if you flop a flush draw you have 9 outs and you know 5 of the other cards(2
in your hand and 3 on the flop)

so out of the 47 cards 38 are bad and 9 are good your flush cards

so 38/9 = 4.2222/1

On the turn you now know 6 cards so 1 less bad card
so 37/9 = 4.11111/1

in your example calling 9bbs to win 26bbs is approximately 1 in 3 or 2/1 odds or 33% lol

because you are 44% then a call becasue its higher than 33%.

That makes way more sense! I was watching some utube video on how to calculate ratios in poker and the explanation was poor as well as very fast. Totally makes more sense now. Thanks again! God I'm glad I came back : )

 

[yonosemanana]

Are you guys doing the tuesday thing?

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Can you download the Opera browser and then open it?

Thanks for uploading that PDF I got it!

 

[Sneaky Feet]

or memorise chart below
or try this cardschat link https://www.cardschat.com/odds-for-dummies.php[/QUOTE

That's great thanks again : )

 

[Sneaky Feet]

what's happening guys and gals. Here's a hand from today's session that I'm curious about

6max pokerstars 5nl

Hero BB KQo (210bb)
Highjack (103bb)

Table folds to highjack

HJ raises to 3bb
Fold fold fold
BB raises to 9bb
HJ calls

Flop
9h6h2d

BB bets 12bb
HJ raises to 25bb
BB calls

Turn Jc
BB bets 54BB
HJ raises to 72BB

BB?

I folded here but my question is should I have called the re-raise on the flop or should I have just shut down? A couple over cards to an uncoordinated board doesn't seem like a good place to call a re-raise but you tell me.

Thanks!

 

[Figaroo2]

what's happening guys and gals. Here's a hand from today's session that I'm curious about
6max pokerstars 5nl
Hero BB KQo (210bb)
Highjack (103bb)
Table folds to highjack
HJ raises to 3bb
Fold fold fold
BB raises to 9bb
HJ calls
Flop
9h6h2d
BB bets 12bb
HJ raises to 25bb
BB calls
Turn Jc
BB bets 54BB
HJ raises to 72BB
BB?
I folded here but my question is should I have called the re-raise on the flop or should I have just shut down? A couple over cards to an uncoordinated board doesn't seem like a good place to call a re-raise but you tell me.
Thanks!

Why is he giving you no respect? Is the first question that come to my mind.
I prefer KQo as more of a calling hand that draws well as opposed to a 3betting hand from the blinds. You are ahead of some of his range but if he 4 bets you have to fold which is a waste of this hands equity in a late position battle.
2nd question is either of your cards a heart? I might continue against his flop raise if I had a backdoor but mostly I'm folding the flop here against anyone half decent.
He's raised you on the flop, most of the time these bets represent exactly what they are,,,,,a strong hand, betting into it is spew especially in a 3 bet pot.

 

[Figaroo2]

Proper maniac playing and raising every hand

Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Just had one table open whilst playing the CC full tilt freeroll, too tired for higher stakes at the mo.
Played some of my button hands against this guy and had called him down twice and lost about 50bb to him prior to this when he had sets both times.

SB: $5.21 (104.2 bb)
BB: $2.52 (50.4 bb)
MP: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
CO: $15.20 (304 bb) stats below.

Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9♠ 8♥
MP folds, CO raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 4♥ 9♥ 8♠ (2 players)
CO bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.56, CO raises to $2.77, Hero raises to $4.90 and is all-in, CO calls $2.13

Turn: ($10.07) 8♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.07) 5♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $10.07 pot ($0.59 rake)
Final Board: 4♥ 9♥ 8♠ 8♦ 5♥
CO showed K♥ A♥ and lost (-$5.00 net)
Hero showed 9♠ 8♥ and won $9.48 ($4.48 net)

70% fav getting the money in. I was trying to remember how John told us to play these guys but staying aggressive was key I think.

 

[Figaroo2]

10mins later this hand came up. Same maniac
Should I have just 5bet min raised and invite him to shove first?

Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $8.94 (178.8 bb)
BB: $6.47 (129.4 bb)
MP1: $4.52 (90.4 bb)
MP2: $1.65 (33 bb)
MP3: $4.61 (92.2 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $11.64 (232.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart: A:spade:
MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $8.94, BTN folds

He clearly wasn't happy here about being out aggressed and took ages to fold.

Results: $3.60 pot
Hero mucked A:heart: A:spade: and won $3.60 ($1.85 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

As the sweat didn't happen Tuesday I'm happy to do one Thursday around 2100 GMT.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Why is he giving you no respect? Is the first question that come to my mind.
I prefer KQo as more of a calling hand that draws well as opposed to a 3betting hand from the blinds. You are ahead of some of his range but if he 4 bets you have to fold which is a waste of this hands equity in a late position battle.
2nd question is either of your cards a heart? I might continue against his flop raise if I had a backdoor but mostly I'm folding the flop here against anyone half decent.
He's raised you on the flop, most of the time these bets represent exactly what they are,,,,,a strong hand, betting into it is spew especially in a 3 bet pot.

No hearts in my hand. KsQc. I see your point about really only being able to beat the lowest part of his range with KQo and how it would have been a better hand to call in BB. I Definitely could have played it better than I did.

Looking at it again though, as played, I think I may have been better off check/calling the turn because I ended up with a gut shot here. I my have been able to see the river light. Thoughts?

 

[Figaroo2]

No hearts in my hand. KsQc. I see your point about really only being able to beat the lowest part of his range with KQo and how it would have been a better hand to call in BB. I Definitely could have played it better than I did.
Looking at it again though, as played, I think I may have been better off check/calling the turn because I ended up with a gut shot here. I my have been able to see the river light. Thoughts?

Ok lets say you check the turn and he bets half pot on the turn.
Tell me, using Rhoms charts....Are you getting the odds to draw to a gut shot.?
How small does his bet have to be for you to have the correct express odds to call to hit a gutshot.
Then add into it that hitting a K or a Q might also give you the winning hand what bet size can you correctly call then?

 

[John A]

what's happening guys and gals. Here's a hand from today's session that I'm curious about

6max pokerstars 5nl

Hero BB KQo (210bb)
Highjack (103bb)

Table folds to highjack

HJ raises to 3bb
Fold fold fold
BB raises to 9bb
HJ calls

Flop
9h6h2d

BB bets 12bb
HJ raises to 25bb
BB calls

Turn Jc
BB bets 54BB
HJ raises to 72BB

BB?

I folded here but my question is should I have called the re-raise on the flop or should I have just shut down? A couple over cards to an uncoordinated board doesn't seem like a good place to call a re-raise but you tell me.

Thanks!

So was your plan to call and then bomb most turns? But yeah, in general just fold on that flop. There's no reason to continue on.

 

[John A]

10mins later this hand came up. Same maniac
Should I have just 5bet min raised and invite him to shove first?

Full Tilt, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (SB): $8.94 (178.8 bb)
BB: $6.47 (129.4 bb)
MP1: $4.52 (90.4 bb)
MP2: $1.65 (33 bb)
MP3: $4.61 (92.2 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $11.64 (232.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♥ A♠
MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $8.94, BTN folds

He clearly wasn't happy here about being out aggressed and took ages to fold.

Results: $3.60 pot
Hero mucked A♥ A♠ and won $3.60 ($1.85 net)

Yes. Let him aggro dumb shove instead of play perfect poker.

 

[rhombus]

Havent played cash for a few days so played yesterday and today. Yesterday was horrific ended down 6 buyins after 2K hands

Still struggling when flopping top pair good kicker, as the Preflop Aggressor how may streets in general should we be going for and does that change if it was 3Bet preflop.

Once I fire two barrels and they rasie on river its usualy too late as already committed. maybe Bet flop check turn and bet fold River
Hand 1 once I bet the river think i was commited as his allin was like a min raise

Hand 2 when they led the Turn I wasnt sure what to do, but ended up taking initiative back and prob fold if they shoved. If I called so many bad cards to hit

Hand 3 looking back as he wasnt overly aggressive, I think the Flop call once they check raised is ok but once he shoves turn these are the hands I need to fold

Hand 4 I won but again if they shoved turn are these always a fold. Only have 3.34 left and pot would be 11.84 so would only have to be right about 25%

Hand1 17/11 AG 0.5 3B 0.0 20 hands
poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.22 (64.4 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.86 (117.2 bb)
MP: $9.18 (183.6 bb)
CO: $4.80 (96 bb)
BTN: $16.09 (321.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T

A

Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) 5

2

T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.75) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

River: ($1.95) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB raises to $2.27, Hero calls $1.02

Results: $6.49 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: 5

2

T

6

6

SB showed J

6

and won $6.22 ($3 net)
Hero showed T

A

and lost (-$3.22 net)

Hand2 20/0 AG 1.0 3B- after 5 hands

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $6.75 (135 bb)
BB: $4.98 (99.6 bb)
UTG: $4.76 (95.2 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $13.26 (265.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $8.87 (177.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

K

UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.52, SB folds, BB calls $0.47, UTG folds

Flop: ($1.21) 6

K

8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.61) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $1.55, BB folds

Results: $3.91 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: 6

K

8

7

BB mucked and lost (-$1.87 net)
Hero mucked A

K

and won $3.75 ($1.88 net)


Hand 3 17/12 AG 2.2 3B 5.3 Hands 420

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.96 (119.2 bb)
BB: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
UTG: $5.89 (117.8 bb)
MP: $25.88 (517.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $9.72 (194.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

K

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 4

J

K

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.09, BB folds, Hero calls $0.74

Turn: ($2.63) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $4.72 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.76 and is all-in

River: ($10.15) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $10.15 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 4

J

K

3

9

SB showed J

J

and won $9.73 ($4.73 net)
Hero showed A

K

and lost (-$5 net)

Hand 4 only 3 hands on villain

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $7.34 (146.8 bb)
BB: $7.92 (158.4 bb)
UTG: $8.86 (177.2 bb)
MP: $5.08 (101.6 bb)
CO: $17.14 (342.8 bb)
BTN: $10.96 (219.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.45, MP calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.50) 5

J

A

(3 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1, MP folds

Turn: ($3.50) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB folds

Results: $3.50 pot ($0.15 rake)
Final Board: 5

J

A

6

Hero mucked K

A

and won $3.35 ($1.85 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$1.50 net)

 

[rhombus]

maybe we should have a section avoidable or spew LOL at the time Im thinking ok but on review maybe fold preflop especially deep and OOP. Think I overvalue 9s Tens and Jacks preflop.

One other thing came up regarding 9s Ts and Jacks, how do you play them in BB against UTG raises???


Stats for Villain 29/18 AG 4.0 3B 0.0 only 17 hands


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $11.84 (236.8 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.40 (108 bb)
MP: $12.93 (258.6 bb)
CO: $7.59 (151.8 bb)
BTN: $5.22 (104.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

J

2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds, CO raises to $1.40, Hero calls $0.95

Flop: ($2.85) 4

3

4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.91, Hero raises to $5.18, CO raises to $6.19 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.01

Turn: ($15.23) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($15.23) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $15.23 pot ($0.63 rake)
Final Board: 4

3

4

A

8

Hero showed J

J

and lost (-$7.59 net)
CO showed A

A

and won $14.60 ($7.01 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

Rhom i'll have a look tomorrow during my breaks

Just wanted to post this one,,,, turn decision, any thoughts people.
I would have folded pre here to the reg on the button but when the fish flats I decide to tag along.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $6.60 (66 bb) FISH - VPIP: 45, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 2.3, Hands: 66
UTG+2: $10.74 (107.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10.64 (106.4 bb)
MP2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $3.99 (39.9 bb) BIG FISH
CO: $2 (20 bb)
BTN: $10.79 (107.9 bb) Decent Reg

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:club: A:spade:
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, SB folds, BB calls $1, Hero calls $0.80, MP3 calls $0.80

Flop: ($4.45) 7:spade: A:heart: 2:spade: (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.45) J:spade: (4 players)
BB bets $4.45,
Hero?? We have the nut flush draw and top pair.
He is a bit aggressive postflop but he's betting full pot into 4 players, must be a hand more often than not right?

 

[or3o1990]

Rhom i'll have a look tomorrow during my breaks

Just wanted to post this one,,,, turn decision, any thoughts people.
I would have folded pre here to the reg on the button but when the fish flats I decide to tag along.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $6.60 (66 bb) FISH - VPIP: 45, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 2.3, Hands: 66
UTG+2: $10.74 (107.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10.64 (106.4 bb)
MP2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $3.99 (39.9 bb) BIG FISH
CO: $2 (20 bb)
BTN: $10.79 (107.9 bb) Decent Reg

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q:club: A:spade:
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, SB folds, BB calls $1, Hero calls $0.80, MP3 calls $0.80

Flop: ($4.45) 7:spade: A:heart: 2:spade: (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.45) J:spade: (4 players)
BB bets $4.45,
Hero?? We have the nut flush draw and top pair.
He is a bit aggressive postflop but he's betting full pot into 4 players, must be a hand more often than not right?

It looks like it could possibly be a set of 7's or AJ possibly. You'd think he would bet smaller with JJ but he is a fish.. If the btn is a good regular he's probably 3 betting pretty wide in position. I would have considered 4 betting and not folding if the fish decided to go with it. As played I would call the turn bet and make a decision on the river.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Ok lets say you check the turn and he bets half pot on the turn.
Tell me, using Rhoms charts....Are you getting the odds to draw to a gut shot.?
How small does his bet have to be for you to have the correct express odds to call to hit a gutshot.
Then add into it that hitting a K or a Q might also give you the winning hand what bet size can you correctly call then?

Good exercise Figaroo. Bare with me as I'm a bit brain dead right now. It's the end of my day.

If villain bets half on the turn I have to call 34bb to win 110 so about 3.2:1

To hit the nuts I've got 4 outs. On the turn that's about 8% or about 10:1 so hells no!

If I add in top pair (3K)+(4,10's)
=7 outs
52-6= 46
46/7= 6.5:1
Another hells no

If I add both K's and Q's plus 10's
=10 outs
46/10=4.6:1

However both K's and Q's could also be outs for villain so I really can't add those into play either considering he's in early position and has raised me on a J high board.

....am I on the right track here? Bottom line is that I should have folded when I was raised on the flop and saved myself 25bb.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

So was your plan to call and then bomb most turns? But yeah, in general just fold on that flop. There's no reason to continue on.

More like pray to the gods that I'd hit on the river so not much of a plan at all lol

 

[Aces2w1n]

Rhom i'll have a look tomorrow during my breaks

Just wanted to post this one,,,, turn decision, any thoughts people.
I would have folded pre here to the reg on the button but when the fish flats I decide to tag along.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $6.60 (66 bb) FISH - VPIP: 45, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 2.3, Hands: 66
UTG+2: $10.74 (107.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10.64 (106.4 bb)
MP2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $3.99 (39.9 bb) BIG FISH
CO: $2 (20 bb)
BTN: $10.79 (107.9 bb) Decent Reg

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, SB folds, BB calls $1, Hero calls $0.80, MP3 calls $0.80

Flop: ($4.45) 7<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> 2<font color='black'>♠</font> (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.45) J<font color='black'>♠</font> (4 players)
BB bets $4.45,
Hero?? We have the nut flush draw and top pair.
He is a bit aggressive postflop but he's betting full pot into 4 players, must be a hand more often than not right?

I'd often just shove there. We have top pair decent kicker with drawing to the nuts.

Bets higher to spook ppl most likely.
4.45 x 2 $8.90
2.50 x 4 $10

plus cheaper would mean you could get stacks in on the river.... Must be a bad player if he has a set or 2 pair.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

Rhom i'll have a look tomorrow during my breaks

Just wanted to post this one,,,, turn decision, any thoughts people.
I would have folded pre here to the reg on the button but when the fish flats I decide to tag along.

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $6.60 (66 bb) FISH - VPIP: 45, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 2.3, Hands: 66
UTG+2: $10.74 (107.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $10.64 (106.4 bb)
MP2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP3: $3.99 (39.9 bb) BIG FISH
CO: $2 (20 bb)
BTN: $10.79 (107.9 bb) Decent Reg

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, SB folds, BB calls $1, Hero calls $0.80, MP3 calls $0.80

Flop: ($4.45) 7<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> 2<font color='black'>♠</font> (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.45) J<font color='black'>♠</font> (4 players)
BB bets $4.45,
Hero?? We have the nut flush draw and top pair.
He is a bit aggressive postflop but he's betting full pot into 4 players, must be a hand more often than not right?

Remember I know nothing from nothing but to me this looks like a scare tactic by a desperate player who's trying to steal the pot from 3 others in the pot. I'm used to playing 2nl where this happens a lot but I can't say that 10nl would play the same. There are a lot of maniacs at 2nl. Personally I would have called with the nuts flush draw and played the river accordingly.

 

[Sneaky Feet]

I've got another question. Today is study day for me so I'm reviewing chapter 7 on 3betting for value, bluffs and quasi range. I have a question specifically about 98s. I've recently begun 3 betting in position with this hand against players who are a bit sticky and don't like to fold to 3bets. To date it's worked fairly well but I don't see this hand mentioned in any of the above options. Should this hand be 3bet with or does it have higher value as a calling hand?