Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[rhombus]

2 QQ hands
Hand 1 occasionally Ill just shove preflop and hope to pick up a loose call from a tilty or over aggressive player especially as as alot of my 3bets seem to get folds especially when i have QQ KK or AA, ended up against wrong player

Hand 2 - Quite Deep 185BBs. Once it got to the turn I didnt know where I stood at all. If stacks were shorter may have been an idea to reraise his flop bet and pick off AJ, KJ TJ flush draws etc as he was quite aggressive
18/17 AG 3.0 3B9.2 after 179 hands

Hand 1
poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
BB: $6 (120 bb)
UTG: $3.53 (70.6 bb)
MP: $11.66 (233.2 bb)
CO: $6.91 (138.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $5 and is all-in, SB calls $4.98, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.20) 7

2

8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($10.20) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($10.20) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $10.20 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 7

2

8

3

9

SB showed K

K

and won $9.78 ($4.78 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

and lost (-$5 net)

Hand 2
Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $8.74 (174.8 bb)
BB: $4.23 (84.6 bb)
UTG: $11.30 (226 bb)
MP: $9.36 (187.2 bb)
CO: $7.45 (149 bb)
BTN: $10.83 (216.6 bb)18/17 AG 3.0 3B9.2 after 179 hands

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

Q

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.41, BB folds, BTN calls $0.29

Flop: ($0.87) 7

8

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.49, BTN raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.81

Turn: ($3.47) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

River: ($7.67) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.85, Hero folds

Results: $7.67 pot ($0.32 rake)
Final Board: 7

8

J

7

6

Hero mucked Q

Q

and lost (-$3.81 net)
BTN mucked and won $7.35 ($3.54 net)

 

[rhombus]

but that makes sense doesnt it, he is taking half the deck to the flop so far, it makes sense he flops alot of weak hands and plays them passively. passively playing preflop is also strongly correlated with passive postflop play. if the turn card was a 4 or another blank i would be going for stacks with KJ/KT/K9 and thinking it not close fwiw. might even go thinner now that i think about it

OK get your point especially if Turn was brick. Pick up more stacks than lose them on rare occasion he has it

 

[duggs]

2 QQ hands
Hand 1 occasionally Ill just shove preflop and hope to pick up a loose call from a tilty or over aggressive player especially as as alot of my 3bets seem to get folds especially when i have QQ KK or AA, ended up against wrong player

Hand 2 - Quite Deep 185BBs. Once it got to the turn I didnt know where I stood at all. If stacks were shorter may have been an idea to reraise his flop bet and pick off AJ, KJ TJ flush draws etc as he was quite aggressive
18/17 AG 3.0 3B9.2 after 179 hands

Hand 1: I think you are just losing value man. without some reason to think you are tilting, such as losing the previous hand for stacks etc, this is just wasting equity. you actually end up losing money essentially by doing this, as 3betting as normal gains so much more value from our opponents calls overall.

Hand 2: I would 3bet bigger, especially if you are uncomfortable OOP, bloating the pot mitigates this somewhat. flop i bet .55 ish, and just fold when he raises. He has 87s/JJ/77/88/9Ts all in his range, all of which we are drawing dead or near dead against. hands like 99/TT/AJ/KJs/JQs/JTs/flush draws are all going to call at least enough of the time that we cant find the combinations to justify calling (and its worth noting all of these hands have better equity against our hand than we have against his nutty combos)

Turn is actually a good card for us, as it cuts into the combos of our opponents value range, without completing any of his potential semi bluffs, which shows just how much trouble we are in v his range that i think turn is still a pretty clear fold, as is river.

V a good player who knew what he was doing deep there is a chance i dont bet this flop all the time with QQ+, checking it sometimes. checking JJ always, and betting 9Ts,77,88 QQ+ and Axss+ and Axhh+ and some AQo with As etc

 

[duggs]

OK get your point especially if Turn was brick. Pick up more stacks than lose them on rare occasion he has it

yup stacking him 60% of the time is actually very profitable, as we make 100bb*.6-100bb*.4, so 20bb per river call. I actually think our equity is much better than this as he will be raising better hands earlier in the hand, and this is why b/f b/f b/f is such a powerful default line

 

[rhombus]

Hand 1: I think you are just losing value man. without some reason to think you are tilting, such as losing the previous hand for stacks etc, this is just wasting equity. you actually end up losing money essentially by doing this, as 3betting as normal gains so much more value from our opponents calls overall.

Hand 2: I would 3bet bigger, especially if you are uncomfortable OOP, bloating the pot mitigates this somewhat. flop i bet .55 ish, and just fold when he raises. He has 87s/JJ/77/88/9Ts all in his range, all of which we are drawing dead or near dead against. hands like 99/TT/AJ/KJs/JQs/JTs/flush draws are all going to call at least enough of the time that we cant find the combinations to justify calling (and its worth noting all of these hands have better equity against our hand than we have against his nutty combos)

Turn is actually a good card for us, as it cuts into the combos of our opponents value range, without completing any of his potential semi bluffs, which shows just how much trouble we are in v his range that i think turn is still a pretty clear fold, as is river.

V a good player who knew what he was doing deep there is a chance i dont bet this flop all the time with QQ+, checking it sometimes. checking JJ always, and betting 9Ts,77,88 QQ+ and Axss+ and Axhh+ and some AQo with As etc

Thanks and another great explanation
1st hand sometimes works, although probably better when not playing zoom as you can better determine if a player is tilting. I wasnt tilted more frustrated at so many folds and thought worthwhile as lot more hands like 77-JJ and AT-AQs

 

[yonosemanana]

is this pretty standard?

P1(MP) $61.83 - VP:24 PFR:13 AF:7.0 W:0| STL:40|67 3B:4|100 CB:50|100 N:2.65 Hands:68
P2(MP) $46.17 - VP:31 PFR:16 AF:3.0 W:27|100 STL:75|67 3B:8|50 CB:100|0 N:21.17 Hands:67
P3(LP) $25 - VP:15 PFR:15 AF:4.0 W:40|100 STL:67|50 3B:7| CB:67| N:-5.75 Hands:40
P4(CO) $23.62 - VP:19 PFR:4 AF:8.0 W:9|0 STL:0|100 3B:3| CB:0|100 N:-0.66 Hands:68
P5(BTN) $20.83 - VP:21 PFR:9 AF:1.0 W:25|100 STL:33|75 3B:0| CB:40|33 N:-1.15 Hands:68
P6(SB) $31.70 - VP:35 PFR:15 AF:7.0 W:40|100 STL:75|100 3B:0| CB:100|0 N:12.10 Hands:20
Me(BB) $17.33 - VP:39 PFR:10 AF:1.2 W:29|50 STL:26|56 3B:3|38 CB:47|60 N:-62.67
P8(UTG) $13.80 - VP:5 PFR:3 AF:0 W:0| STL:17|100 3B:0| CB:|0 N:-2.40 Hands:58
P9(MP) $12.05 - VP:15 PFR:4 AF:0 W:0| STL:0|0 3B:0| CB:|0 N:-2.95 Hands:26


Pre Flop: Me(BB) with [Js,Qs]
P8(UTG) folds, P9(MP) folds, P1(MP) folds, P2(MP) folds, P3(LP) folds, P4(CO) folds, P5(BTN) folds, P6(SB) raises 0.40, Me(BB) calls 0.25


Flop: (3s,7h,Qd) (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 0.50, Me(BB) calls 0.50


Turn: 7d (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 1, Me(BB) calls 1


River: 7c (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 4, Me(BB) calls 4


Final:
P6(SB) shows [As,Ac]
P6(SB) wins 11.40

 

[duggs]

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 116.78 BB (VPIP: 15.77, PFR: 13.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.99, Hands: 345)
Hero (BB): 483.42 BB
CO: 100.36 BB (VPIP: 22.17, PFR: 15.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 956)
BTN: 131.78 BB (VPIP: 22.71, PFR: 16.59, 3Bet Preflop: 9.71, Hands: 238)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 4 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A:spade: A:heart:

fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.3 BB, 2 players) 9:spade: Q:heart: 8:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Turn: (32.3 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (44.3 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks


I made an error on the turn but the flop play and hand illustrates how to play on boards where villain has a stronger range and we are oop

 

[duggs]

I should really be raising turn for value when he caps himself like that, since that sizing will be negatively correlated with bluffing rivers

 

[Figaroo2]

is this pretty standard?
P6(SB) $31.70 - VP:35 PFR:15 AF:7.0 W:40|100 STL:75|100 3B:0| CB:100|0 N:12.10 Hands:20
Me(BB) $17.33 - VP:39 PFR:10 AF:1.2 W:29|50 STL:26|56 3B:3|38 CB:47|60 N:-62.67

Pre Flop: Me(BB) with [Js,Qs]
P8(UTG) folds, P9(MP) folds, P1(MP) folds, P2(MP) folds, P3(LP) folds, P4(CO) folds, P5(BTN) folds, P6(SB) raises 0.40, Me(BB) calls 0.25
Flop: (3s,7h,Qd) (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 0.50, Me(BB) calls 0.50
Turn: 7d (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 1, Me(BB) calls 1
River: 7c (2 players)
P6(SB) bets 4, Me(BB) calls 4
Final:
P6(SB) shows [As,Ac]
P6(SB) wins 11.40

This is actually a decent question here which got me thinking about the hand and I couldn't say for sure without going to the math, it seems close at first glance.

You just happened to run into the top of his range on this particular occasion but he will have course turn up with all sorts here in the normal course of things.

My unreliable maths shows this to be a close to even EV call, so it isn't really ever going to be a big mistake to call or fold on the end. Which is what I originally concluded.

It really depends on how often he triple barrel bluffs with a whiffed AK AJ or non believing JJ TT 99 or whatever.
I reckon if he bluffs 15% of the time it is a ev call of around +22c , if he never bluffs here (which really he shouldn't if you have called twice on a dry board and the river is a brick) then it quickly becomes a bigger negative EV call.

Think about the whole range the villain could have here.
His stats are already suggesting he is loose aggressive. With a VPIP/PFR of 35/15 but he is going to open a really wide range here probably a min of 30% of all hands...all aces, all pairs, all suited K, half of the suited Queens. (I would be, others would be even wider)
QJs is a top 13% hand strong enough to 3 bet here for value if you wanted to, we also have position. As it happens he would probably have 4 bet and you could have got away from this early.
So what is going to happen on this very dry board on the flop knowing he's loose agg, he's going to cbet his full range, hoping you've missed because most of the time you will have.
So we have to at least call the flop. Do we raise? Well we don't have to fear draws and if we raise probably only Qx KK AA and sets and a few non believing JJ TT and possibly some 7x call.
Not many worse queens are out there QT Q9s Q8s Q7s maybe Q6s so I suggest it is worth just calling to keep in his air and let him continue to fire his bluffs and 2nd pairs.
The turn and river cards don't change the hand, if we are ahead on the flop we are ahead or splitting on river. If we were behind unlikely sets or overpairs we are still behind.
I don't think he's firing the river as a bluff here though very often as you have called twice and as the board hasn't changed you are likely to call on the end, so I'd assume he bets for value and the best we can hope for is a split or picking up the occasional bluff from a player who doesn't understand you are nearly always calling.
So we are splitting with AQ KQ QJ QT Q9s Q8s Q7s (35 ish combos in total are a split)
Lets say we beat 12 combos of bluffs taken from a few AK, AJ and some non believing JJ TT 99
So we are losing to QQ (1combo) KK (6 combos) AA (6 combos) 33 (3 combos) 7x (lets give him A7 K7 87 67 so 3 combos of each, 28 combos in total we lose to)

to keep it simple we take his losing 12 bluff combos off his total winning combos and that gives me this. Clearly the less bluffs the quicker the -EV grows.

75 combos in all
35/75x100= 46
16/75x100= 21

so 46% of the time we split winning $5.70
21% of the time we lose $11.40

(5.7 x (.46) = 2.62) - (11.4 x .(21) = 2.39) = .22 (+22c)

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS.

 

[yonosemanana]

This is actually a decent question here which got me thinking about the hand and I couldn't say for sure without going to the math, it seems close at first glance.

You just happened to run into the top of his range on this particular occasion but he will have course turn up with all sorts here in the normal course of things.

My unreliable maths shows this to be a close to even EV call, so it isn't really ever going to be a big mistake to call or fold on the end. Which is what I originally concluded.

It really depends on how often he triple barrel bluffs with a whiffed AK AJ or non believing JJ TT 99 or whatever.
I reckon if he bluffs 15% of the time it is a ev call of around +22c , if he never bluffs here (which really he shouldn't if you have called twice on a dry board and the river is a brick) then it quickly becomes a bigger negative EV call.

Think about the whole range the villain could have here.
His stats are already suggesting he is loose aggressive. With a VPIP/PFR of 35/15 but he is going to open a really wide range here probably a min of 30% of all hands...all aces, all pairs, all suited K, half of the suited Queens. (I would be, others would be even wider)
QJs is a top 13% hand strong enough to 3 bet here for value if you wanted to, we also have position. As it happens he would probably have 4 bet and you could have got away from this early.
So what is going to happen on this very dry board on the flop knowing he's loose agg, he's going to cbet his full range, hoping you've missed because most of the time you will have.
So we have to at least call the flop. Do we raise? Well we don't have to fear draws and if we raise probably only Qx KK AA and sets and a few non believing JJ TT and possibly some 7x call.
Not many worse queens are out there QT Q9s Q8s Q7s maybe Q6s so I suggest it is worth just calling to keep in his air and let him continue to fire his bluffs and 2nd pairs.
The turn and river cards don't change the hand, if we are ahead on the flop we are ahead or splitting on river. If we were behind unlikely sets or overpairs we are still behind.
I don't think he's firing the river as a bluff here though very often as you have called twice and as the board hasn't changed you are likely to call on the end, so I'd assume he bets for value and the best we can hope for is a split or picking up the occasional bluff from a player who doesn't understand you are nearly always calling.
So we are splitting with AQ KQ QJ QT Q9s Q8s Q7s (35 ish combos in total are a split)
Lets say we beat 12 combos of bluffs taken from a few AK, AJ and some non believing JJ TT 99
So we are losing to QQ (1combo) KK (6 combos) AA (6 combos) 33 (3 combos) 7x (lets give him A7 K7 87 67 so 3 combos of each, 28 combos in total we lose to)

to keep it simple we take his losing 12 bluff combos off his total winning combos and that gives me this. Clearly the less bluffs the quicker the -EV grows.

75 combos in all
35/75x100= 46
16/75x100= 21

so 46% of the time we split winning $5.70
21% of the time we lose $11.40

(5.7 x (.46) = 2.62) - (11.4 x .(21) = 2.39) = .22 (+22c)

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE CHECK THIS.

Looks good, thanks a lot for the review. Except I'm not loosing to his pok 3 combo.

 

[Figaroo2]

I should really be raising turn for value when he caps himself like that, since that sizing will be negatively correlated with bluffing rivers

Duggs matey can you expand on this a bit more please.
I just want to be totally clear about what you are saying here.
Particularly "when he caps himself like that"
What ranges are you capping him to? Its a very odd bet sizing, I wouldn't know what to make of it, drawing?

and " that sizing will be negatively correlated with bluffing rivers"
Are you saying having bet that sizing hes then not bluffing the river so we should be betting the turn?

 

[Figaroo2]

Looks good, thanks a lot for the review. Except I'm not loosing to his pok 3 combo.

Good spot, slightly better ev then

 

[duggs]

Duggs matey can you expand on this a bit more please.
I just want to be totally clear about what you are saying here.
Particularly "when he caps himself like that"
What ranges are you capping him to? Its a very odd bet sizing, I wouldn't know what to make of it, drawing?

and " that sizing will be negatively correlated with bluffing rivers"
Are you saying having bet that sizing hes then not bluffing the river so we should be betting the turn?

well, i think i beat the vast majority of his range when he sizes it like that, I remove JT,sets and flushes, so basically aways has 1 pair, sometimes with a heart. TT/JJ make sense, as does QJ/AQ/QT/T9/KJ etc or just any pair+flush draw

 

[John A]

I mean i understand why you would want to recommend it, but isnt it essentially a crutch? How else do you learn to evaluate the opponents range if not by playing check/call appropriately. Im kind of concerned that many times where turn and river play of x/c x/f are going to be a better default line than r/f.

The crutch i prefer to use is figuring out where i sit in my range, If its one of the worst hands I can get there with, good for him he wins the pot, if its pretty much the top part of my hand range, then im not going to fold it without exploitive reasons.

but more to the example hands Fig mentioned, regarding the AK hand where you talk of shoving the turn, if we are comfortable stacking v an admittedly aggressive opponent isnt it preferable to just call turn and call all rivers (draws RIOing us is a valid point against this line admittedly).

Im probably a bit rusty, play time is sporadic which I really have no excuses for. Still love the game, but after so many deep hands i feel lost with 'only 100bb' at times and other times it feels very dull. problem is deep tables dont always run as many as i would prefer. I do love analysis still tho.

Technically we're all on crutches. I like to take the structured learning approach, instead of trying to randomly throw a bunch of things at once to people, and hope that they put it all together. It's kind of like slinging mud at people, only so much sticks, then the rest just runs off.

Just by being in the games and observing, you're going to learn about ranges. But taking control of the hand is the first thing in empowering yourself to know how to stay aggressive. Aggression is something a lot of players struggle with. It's rare that I find someone that is too aggressive that is a break even or losing player (not talking about maniacs of course).

So for the same reason that you don't have beginners playing 30% of their hands in 6-max, although technically, it would be more optimal if you had the post flop skills, is the same reason I don't advocate getting into call down modes against non-aggressive opponents. When that skill is developed, then more balancing comes into play, and you naturally begin to learn what kinds of opponents and boards to check/call on, and which to bet for value or turn into bluffs.

It's a structured approach, but there's a method to my madness believe it or not. I've actually taught a lot of people how to get into high stakes games over the years, although I don't take on paid coaching anymore. I wouldn't, because I'm not playing those games anymore, and don't have much desire to, although I do want to move up a little more again.

Any ways, if I remember the AK hand, I think there's many more draws and worse Kx in opponents hand, and when you have someone hyper aggressive, they'll usually continue with those hands. You just have to know when it's best to be calling down.

For example, last sweat session we had a hand where I had AQ out of the SB and 3-bet a reg in the CO. Flop comes AKx two hearts. I bet, reg calls. Turn is 8x, I check and call. River is a 5x, I check, he pot commits - I think bet $60, and I CRAI and he folds. Simple example, but something that came up last session. I want to know why I'm c/cing to get the most out of someone's bluffing range. I don't think it's best to get people learning the game in spots where they are c/cing w/ second pair , etc... and don't have confidence in what they are doing. Meaning they don't really know if they are making the correct call/fold. Confidence is extremely important in this game, and taking control of a hand allows that to develop quickly. Then on to more complex topics...

 

[John A]

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 116.78 BB (VPIP: 15.77, PFR: 13.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.99, Hands: 345)
Hero (BB): 483.42 BB
CO: 100.36 BB (VPIP: 22.17, PFR: 15.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 956)
BTN: 131.78 BB (VPIP: 22.71, PFR: 16.59, 3Bet Preflop: 9.71, Hands: 238)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 4 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A♠ A♥

fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop: (15.3 BB, 2 players) 9♠ Q♥ 8♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Turn: (32.3 BB, 2 players) K♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (44.3 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero checks, BTN checks


I made an error on the turn but the flop play and hand illustrates how to play on boards where villain has a stronger range and we are oop

I think you've been playing too much deep stack poker, which it would be fine to c/c here with. But 130 effective, you should be betting the flop here. Lot of value missed all over. He's not going to have Jh on river very often, but he will have 2 pair and straights he'd be calling with but checking behind several of those otr.

 

[rhombus]

two KK hands. 1st one done think I could have done anything different. 2nd One how many times can you screw up in one hand ????

Hand 1
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 13, 05:20:02 ET 2015
Table Halley 10 (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $3.29 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 9
Seat 2: Player2 ( $2.86 USD ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 29
Seat 3: Hero ( $3.79 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 2.4, Hands: 77213
Seat 4: Player4 ( $0.41 USD ) - VPIP: 47, PFR: 20, 3B: 15, AF: 2.0, Hands: 30
Seat 5: Player5 ( $2.13 USD ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 25, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 52
Seat 6: Player6 ( $1.04 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 1
Player2 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Kd ]
Player4 raises [$0.04 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player1 calls [$0.04 USD]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$0.20 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.18 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.18 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 6c, 8d ]
Hero bets [$0.40 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.19 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
Hero bets [$1.08 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.08 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
Hero bets [$2.09 USD]
Player1 calls [$1.59 USD]
Hero wins $0.50 USD
Hero shows [Ks, Kd ]
Player1 shows [As, Ah ]
Player1 wins $5.56 USD from main pot
Player4 shows [Jd, Qc ]
Player1 wins $1.20 USD from main pot

Hand 2
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 13, 05:55:18 ET 2015
Table Halley 7 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $3.88 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
Seat 2: Player2 ( $1.29 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 2
Seat 3: Player3 ( $2.62 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 44
Seat 4: Player4 ( $2.00 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 43
Seat 5: Hero ( $4.63 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 2.4, Hands: 77213
Seat 6: Player6 ( $4.50 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 0.0, Hands: 37
Player2 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Kd ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [$0.06 USD]
Player6 raises [$0.18 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$0.12 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 4s, 5s ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets [$0.28 USD]
Hero calls [$0.28 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
Hero checks
Player6 bets [$0.68 USD]
Hero calls [$0.68 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Hero bets [$1.33 USD]
Player6 raises [$3.36 USD]
Hero calls [$2.03 USD]
Player6 shows [8s, 8h ]
Player6 wins $8.73 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [Ks, Kd ]

 

[John A]

two KK hands. 1st one done think I could have done anything different. 2nd One how many times can you screw up in one hand ????

Hand 1, nothing you can do. Think you played it fine. Hand 2 though, just CRAI on the flop. At this level is anyone folding any top pair or over pair in this spot?

 

[Figaroo2]

Rhom
Come over to 888, so many fish around.
I got a little lucky here but look at these fish at 30nl!!
I posted a few other hands in my thread.

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $12.69 (42.3 bb) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 12
BB: $12.15 (40.5 bb) - VPIP: 73, PFR: 36, 3B: 20, AF: 3.5, Hands: 22
UTG+1: $12 (40 bb)
UTG+2: $47.12 (157.1 bb)
MP1: $51.03 (170.1 bb)
Hero (MP2): $34.20 (114 bb)
MP3: $30 (100 bb)
CO: $38.39 (128 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J♥ A♥
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.86, 3 folds, SB calls $0.71, BB raises to $1.42, Hero calls $0.56, SB calls $0.56

Flop: ($4.26) 7♥ 9♣ 6♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4.26, Hero raises to $13.84, SB calls $11.27 and is all-in, BB calls $6.47

Turn: ($37.53) K♥ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($37.53) 9♦ (3 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $37.53 pot ($1.87 rake)
Final Board: 7♥ 9♣ 6♥ K♥ 9♦
SB showed 5♣ 3♣ and lost (-$12.69 net)
BB showed 5♦ 9♥ and lost (-$12.15 net)
Hero showed J♥ A♥ and won $35.66 ($22.97 net)

 

[rhombus]

Hand 1, nothing you can do. Think you played it fine. Hand 2 though, just CRAI on the flop. At this level is anyone folding any top pair or over pair in this spot?

thats what i normally do If im going to commit to a hand especially when the board gets too drawy. Think the Bet on River was awful though. Check fold probably best Shove 2nd and what i did last

 

[rhombus]

2 spewy hands from just after

Hand 1 at the time thought ok to shove the turn as could blast out somerthing like JJ, AK and even if called i.e. KK getting nearly right odds
Hand 2
again thought about CR flop or maybe Turn but as he was quite aggressive though best to call him down. On river think I just called based on him being aggro, think he put me on flush draw or medium pair

Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.14 (107 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.55 (127.5 bb)
UTG: $2.02 (101 bb)
MP: $3.68 (184 bb)
CO: $3.19 (159.5 bb)
BTN: $2.46 (123 bb) 20/13 AG2 3B 33.3

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

A

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.06, CO raises to $0.18, BTN calls $0.18, SB folds, Hero calls $0.16, MP calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.73) 6

8

T

(4 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, MP calls $0.35, CO folds

Turn: ($1.78) Q

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.02 and is all-in, MP folds, BTN calls $1.93 and is all-in

River: ($5.64) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $5.64 pot ($0.20 rake)
Final Board: 6

8

T

Q

3

Hero showed 7

A

and lost (-$2.46 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$0.53 net)
BTN showed 8

8

and won $5.44 ($2.98 net)


Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.90 (145 bb)
BB: $2.06 (103 bb)
UTG: $2.58 (129 bb) 30/27 AG 10.0 3B 5.0
MP: $2.52 (126 bb)
CO: $2.69 (134.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.14 (257 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

7

UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15) T

5

2

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.43) 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.41, Hero calls $0.41

River: ($1.25) 5

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.97

Results: $5.19 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: T

5

2

8

5

UTG showed A

A

and won $5.01 ($2.43 net)
Hero showed T

7

and lost (-$2.58 net)

 

[rhombus]

Rhom
Come over to 888, so many fish around.
I got a little lucky here but look at these fish at 30nl!!
I posted a few other hands in my thread.

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $12.69 (42.3 bb) - VPIP: 67, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 12
BB: $12.15 (40.5 bb) - VPIP: 73, PFR: 36, 3B: 20, AF: 3.5, Hands: 22
UTG+1: $12 (40 bb)
UTG+2: $47.12 (157.1 bb)
MP1: $51.03 (170.1 bb)
Hero (MP2): $34.20 (114 bb)
MP3: $30 (100 bb)
CO: $38.39 (128 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J♥ A♥
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.86, 3 folds, SB calls $0.71, BB raises to $1.42, Hero calls $0.56, SB calls $0.56

Flop: ($4.26) 7♥ 9♣ 6♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4.26, Hero raises to $13.84, SB calls $11.27 and is all-in, BB calls $6.47

Turn: ($37.53) K♥ (3 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($37.53) 9♦ (3 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $37.53 pot ($1.87 rake)
Final Board: 7♥ 9♣ 6♥ K♥ 9♦
SB showed 5♣ 3♣ and lost (-$12.69 net)
BB showed 5♦ 9♥ and lost (-$12.15 net)
Hero showed J♥ A♥ and won $35.66 ($22.97 net)

NH
wow monkeys getting funky shortstacked with junk
can kinda understand BB when that flop hit but WTF is sb doing with only 42bbs

 

[Figaroo2]

Both of your last two hands are pre flop mistakes for me. Certainly the A7 I'm folding that all day. The T7s is too weak for me against an UTG range unless he is really fishy.

 

[Gorak]

I'm not a huge cash game player but during the Gold Rush on FullTilt I can't resist.

Especially since I got 11 Ring game tickets.

I play the micro stakes. Whenever I flop Top Pair Top Kicker, make a C-Bet and get re-raised; I found that I'm behind most of the time.

So I decided to make it a rule to insta fold in those situations.

What do you think?

 

[Figaroo2]

Heater

Makes a change. Some pretty outrageous luck today on 888.
I have always run well on that site.
Sorry for posting the fish twice today, its just too good

 

[Figaroo2]

I play the micro stakes. Whenever I flop Top Pair Top Kicker, make a C-Bet and get re-raised; I found that I'm behind most of the time.
So I decided to make it a rule to insta fold in those situations.
What do you think?

Gorak have a look at post #2736 in this thread. Rhoms excellent flow chart.
Pretty much its usually going to be a fold, but it does depend on the villain and position, if they are passive fold, if they are aggressive and you have some backdoor outs to improve then you can consider continuing.