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Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8
fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 10.5 BB, CO calls 10.5 BB
Flop: (43.5 BB, 3 players) A J 5
MP+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

More than one way to play it but I'm probably betting the flop to keep control of the hand, I don't see why we should be giving up the initiative here with that much equity. We 3bet so the ace is supposed to hit our range. Plus if we do hit on the turn the pot will be bigger :), if he calls the flop he will likely check to us on the turn so we get to see the river for free.
What are you going to do if he pots the turn

I see what you mean about building the pot for sure. He had folded to like 4 3bets before this so I felt like he most likely had me out kicked here.
 
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I wasn't able to figure that nutball out unfortunately. I enjoyed the session though, it was nice mixing it up with the 6max and HU game. I ended up down about $23 overall. I think I may have been a bit overly aggressive but all in all I was happy with most of my play.

The only hand I was unhappy with was this one. My HUD dissapeard I think because the guy had sat out so I thought he was unknown and I was uneasy because of his min reraise. But when his stats came back I saw he was loose and aggro. He also min reraised a pair of 4's with a 5 kicker a couple hands later. If I had it to do over I would have raised his min reraise very large and not folded I think.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 191.12 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 7.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 89)
Hero (MP): 122.92 BB
CO: 129.36 BB (VPIP: 62.96, PFR: 25.93, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 28)
BTN: 107.86 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)
SB: 14.3 BB (VPIP: 51.02, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) 8 Q 6
Hero bets 6 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (35 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

River: (83 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN raises to 67.86 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 78.9 BB

Hmmm I think your right to fold. Not because of the Ace though.

Id say he had flush or set or even 2 pair if you think he's loose aggro. At the end of the day we only got 1 pair and it's not even an overpair now with A.
 
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It's all good. That would be amazing!



The min reraises really throw me unless I've seen what they're doing it with. But I agree, this was the only hand I played that I was really unhappy with overall.

I take this line sometimes mostly in 3b pots in position. My thought is that none of the better aces are going away and I don't expect many worse aces to still be sticking around. A lone J, KK and QQ aren't going to fire twice often and I'd rather try to hit my flush for cheap than bet flop, miss and shove turn. Both players in the pot with me were pretty solid. Thoughts?

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122.8 BB
SB: 69.98 BB (VPIP: 44.07, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 60)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 50.99 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 61)
UTG+1: 93.8 BB (VPIP: 8.20, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 61)
MP: 58.58 BB (VPIP: 3.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
MP+1: 248.55 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 61)
MP+2: 292.8 BB (VPIP: 6.56, PFR: 4.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
CO: 196 BB (VPIP: 40.98, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 10.5 BB, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (43.5 BB, 3 players) A<font color='red'>♥</font> J<font color='black'>♣</font> 5<font color='black'>♣</font>
MP+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (43.5 BB, 3 players) 5<font color='red'>♥</font>
MP+1 bets 22.75 BB, fold, Hero calls 22.75 BB

River: (89 BB, 2 players) T<font color='red'>♥</font>
MP+1 bets 42.5 BB, fold

MP+1 wins 86 BB


Id definetly be betting the flop and double barrelling.

He only called our 3bet pre so he has a problem with his hand. I'd be shoving rivers and think we could get enough folds in this spot to be +ev... what you think John A?
 
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I see what you mean about building the pot for sure. He had folded to like 4 3bets before this so I felt like he most likely had me out kicked here.
Ranges Bro...He could just have had enough and decided to fight back he can still have pairs 77 through QQ here plus a bunch of suited connectors as well as AJ AQ AK. The fact that we have an ace blocker reduces his high Ace combos. Yes we might be out kicked but AK may/should be betting and raising here.
And again what we're you going to do if he bet big on the turn and took away your express odds?
I'm concerned about how you played this hand with the nut flush draw. I think we should be aggressive here nearly always.
Having sweated you a few times now you are happy enough to cbet double barrel most hands just because he calls once doesn't mean we need to shut down.
 
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Ranges Bro...He could just have had enough and decided to fight back he can still have pairs 77 through QQ here plus a bunch of suited connectors as well as AJ AQ AK. The fact that we have an ace blocker reduces his high Ace combos. Yes we might be out kicked but AK may/should be betting and raising here.
And again what we're you going to do if he bet big on the turn and took away your express odds?
I'm concerned about how you played this hand with the nut flush draw. I think we should be aggressive here nearly always.
Having sweated you a few times now you are happy enough to cbet double barrel most hands just because he calls once doesn't mean we need to shut down.

I see what you're saying 100%. I didn't answer the question because i thought it was rhetorical, im forced to fold and I'm not happy about it lol.

Another thought i had when you mention ranges is what my hand looks like. It looks like 99 or some missed medium pair. At that point it green lights him to put on the pressure. But my thought was that worse isn't calling and better isn't folding and i have a huge amount of equity so possibly i don't have be aggressive here? I have no problem raising and getting it in here but because I'm usually a bit aggro I thought I'd try a different line.

But i see how betting the flop and checking the turn accomplishes more than checking the flop and calling the turn for the same price.
 
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ok think this is it for Whiff if hand improved on the Turn, If right I can probably convert to flowchart

So the left to right like you had for flop isn't doable once we get to the turn right?

Thanks for putting this together. If you can do the left to right, that would be awesome. If it gets to clustered, and doesn't work, then no worries. I'll put this in Polished poker so people have a couple of different choices to look at.

Is anyone going to try and use it is the bigger question?
 
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or3o1990;2760329Thoughts? [B said:
PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players[/b]
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122.8 BB
SB: 69.98 BB (VPIP: 44.07, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 60)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 50.99 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 61)
UTG+1: 93.8 BB (VPIP: 8.20, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 61)
MP: 58.58 BB (VPIP: 3.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
MP+1: 248.55 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 61)
MP+2: 292.8 BB (VPIP: 6.56, PFR: 4.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
CO: 196 BB (VPIP: 40.98, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 10.5 BB, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (43.5 BB, 3 players) A J 5
MP+1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (43.5 BB, 3 players) 5
MP+1 bets 22.75 BB, fold, Hero calls 22.75 BB

River: (89 BB, 2 players) T
MP+1 bets 42.5 BB, fold

MP+1 wins 86 BB

So here's the thing... if you check the flop in a spot like this, have a plan from the start. Because once you 3-bet pre, and then check this flop, you're opening up someone's bluffing range. So have all of that in mind by first asking, "what kind of player is this?". And then plan your hand from there. It's an important question to ask, and it's what I do every time I see the flop. I go... ok, I can only get 1 street of value here, or 2, or this person will barrel and I have TP and good equity so I want to call down versus his range + bluffing range, etc... If you're really unsure though, then bet, because you will clarify your position. And I'm not saying bet for information. I'm saying bet in spots where you have decent equity, a reasonable hand, and by taking charge of the hand you give yourself more ways to win. If you begin checking, then you're going to be playing the check/guess game, and you should only be doing this when you have some idea of someone's range and their tendencies (or for basics, how aggressive they are).

EX: You bet the flop and get called.

Turn: If you check for pot control, what kind of player is this? Are you willing to call a river bet? If you're willing to call a river bet, it's usually better to just bet the turn because players will tend to check most rivers, and if he bets after you barreled twice, then you usually have to have a hand because it's going to be a shove and usually for value. But have that plan once you see the flop.
 
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So the left to right like you had for flop isn't doable once we get to the turn right?

Thanks for putting this together. If you can do the left to right, that would be awesome. If it gets to clustered, and doesn't work, then no worries. I'll put this in Polished poker so people have a couple of different choices to look at.

Is anyone going to try and use it is the bigger question?

Its doable just gets more complicated when you get to the turn as your hand gets better i.e. if you whiff on the flop then you pick up flushdraws 2nd bottom pair etc on turn.

Also certain options aren't available on your chart, i.e. if you whiff in position on coordinated board and then you check behind when villain checks you dont have any options on turn. You only have options for when :-

Raised on FLop, Opponet CR on Flop or Opponent checked behind on flop.

Actually managed to do the flow chart for when you whiff on coordinated and uncoordinated boards In and Out of Position
 

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might be better to split all charts i.e. WHIFF IP WHIFF OOP
Mediocre Hands IP Mediocre Hands OOP
Strong Hands IP, Strong Hands OOP

Heres the separated Whiff Charts
 

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Its doable just gets more complicated when you get to the turn as your hand gets better i.e. if you whiff on the flop then you pick up flushdraws 2nd bottom pair etc on turn.

Also certain options aren't available on your chart, i.e. if you whiff in position on coordinated board and then you check behind when villain checks you dont have any options on turn. You only have options for when :-

Raised on FLop, Opponet CR on Flop or Opponent checked behind on flop.

Actually managed to do the flow chart for when you whiff on coordinated and uncoordinated boards In and Out of Position


Yeah, thanks. Well, I liked that format you had. But like you said, it might not be doable. You think this format is a bit easier though than the one I posted? It seems a little tougher to me, but I'd like to post / offer both if possible. Since I assume it's just a preference thing.
 
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Played this hand as they were both a bit fishy, I'd normally dump this hand against regs in the SB.
Called this flop thinking if I hit i'll get paid and then immediately realised that JT got there as well..I would have folded if I had paid a bit more attention to this.
So how aggressive do we play it turn and river with the dumb end?

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $20 (100 bb)
BB: $27.58 (137.9 bb) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 798
UTG+1: $11 (55 bb)
UTG+2: $44.75 (223.8 bb)
MP1: $36.11 (180.6 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 1.4, Hands: 35
MP2: $13.29 (66.5 bb)
MP3: $8.42 (42.1 bb)
CO: $20.83 (104.2 bb) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 22, 3B: 5, AF: 3.8, Hands: 49
BTN: $20.75 (103.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6:spade: 5:spade:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.57, 2 folds, CO calls $0.57, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.47, BB calls $0.37

Flop: ($2.28) 8:club: Q:diamond: 7:heart: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $1.74, CO calls $1.74, Hero calls $1.74, BB folds

Turn: ($7.50) 9:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75, MP1 calls $3.75

River: ($18.75) 3:club: (3 players)
Hero?
 
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Weak looking turn bet alerted me to the likely draw / weakness.
But should we just raise the flop looking to gii.
Look at the range of stack sizes on this 10nl FR table...888 Pacific fish tank

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $6.82 (68.2 bb)
BB: $3.37 (33.7 bb) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.1, Hands: 86
UTG+1: $3.59 (35.9 bb)
UTG+2: $7.90 (79 bb)
MP1: $5.68 (56.8 bb)
MP2: $8.37 (83.7 bb)
MP3: $5 (50 bb)
CO: $1.60 (16 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A:club: K:diamond:
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K:club: 8:diamond: 7:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.29) 3:spade: (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.24, BB raises to $2.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.51

River: ($6.79) A:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $6.79 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: K:club: 8:diamond: 7:heart: 3:spade: A:heart:
BB showed 9:spade: T:spade: and lost (-$3.37 net)
Hero showed A:club: K:diamond: and won $6.46 ($3.09 net)
 
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Played this hand as they were both a bit fishy, I'd normally dump this hand against regs in the SB.
Called this flop thinking if I hit i'll get paid and then immediately realised that JT got there as well..I would have folded if I had paid a bit more attention to this.
So how aggressive do we play it turn and river with the dumb end?

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $20 (100 bb)
BB: $27.58 (137.9 bb) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.2, Hands: 798
UTG+1: $11 (55 bb)
UTG+2: $44.75 (223.8 bb)
MP1: $36.11 (180.6 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 1.4, Hands: 35
MP2: $13.29 (66.5 bb)
MP3: $8.42 (42.1 bb)
CO: $20.83 (104.2 bb) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 22, 3B: 5, AF: 3.8, Hands: 49
BTN: $20.75 (103.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6<font color='black'>♠</font> 5<font color='black'>♠</font>
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.57, 2 folds, CO calls $0.57, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.47, BB calls $0.37

Flop: ($2.28) 8<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font> (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $1.74, CO calls $1.74, Hero calls $1.74, BB folds

Turn: ($7.50) 9<font color='red'>♥</font> (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75, MP1 calls $3.75

River: ($18.75) 3<font color='black'>♣</font> (3 players)
Hero?


check/call by the way ur vill is betting he's got something but who knows what. If you raise you'll face a shove if your behind or he will fold when u have him beat.

That's my 2 cents.
 
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Weak looking turn bet alerted me to the likely draw / weakness.
But should we just raise the flop looking to gii.
Look at the range of stack sizes on this 10nl FR table...888 Pacific fish tank

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $6.82 (68.2 bb)
BB: $3.37 (33.7 bb) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 2.1, Hands: 86
UTG+1: $3.59 (35.9 bb)
UTG+2: $7.90 (79 bb)
MP1: $5.68 (56.8 bb)
MP2: $8.37 (83.7 bb)
MP3: $5 (50 bb)
CO: $1.60 (16 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) K 8 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.29) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.24, BB raises to $2.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.51

River: ($6.79) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $6.79 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: K 8 7 3 A
BB showed 9 T and lost (-$3.37 net)
Hero showed A K and won $6.46 ($3.09 net)

Yeah, I'm pretty much always raising that kind of flop if I'm donked into. Sometimes versus better players I'd call knowing they are trying to induce, but you just need to know your opponents. But glad you raised the turn. Nh.
 
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Here's a question I've been pondering. How often we should be re-floating these spots when opponents either whiffed or likely aren't strong? I think people go a little crazy now a days on paired boards. At least more than they used to, but this kind of hand as an example. Opponent has mostly air, small pair or 6x a lot.

iPoker - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
BB: 107.3 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 62.35 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 116 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 103.65 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (BTN): 112.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:heart: 9:spade:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 6:heart: J:spade: J:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, UTG raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (29.5 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold

Hero wins 41.03 BB
 
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Yeah, thanks. Well, I liked that format you had. But like you said, it might not be doable. You think this format is a bit easier though than the one I posted? It seems a little tougher to me, but I'd like to post / offer both if possible. Since I assume it's just a preference thing.

Think alot easier to read when the chart goes left to right, although on your some of your lines the actions dont line up properly :eek:

Currently working my way through the turn and nearly finished, just need to clarify a couple of things. On your Chart when it get to the turn the first line in the picture below has 5 boxes, 3 relate to actions that happened on the flop and the other two are hand strengths.

The 3 which relate to Actions on the Flop I can work out if in or out of position from future actions, but the other two GSD, FD, 2nd Pair or better and Top 2Pair + I cant work out 100%

Technically they could be either as just says bet 2/3 and if opponent raises then do something. Can I assume as the first action says bet 2/3 that you are OOP and not that opponent could have checked first
 

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This is what I have so far using the 3 flop actions. PS does anyone else have preference as to whether left to right or top to bottom??
 

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Assuming GSD, FD, 2nd Pair or better and Top 2Pair + are OOP then
 

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Stumped here

Having a lot of problems with this villain, who is just owning me.
Already in this session (90 hands) prior to this hand he has 3bet me 4 times all from the blinds and won every hand.
I folded the first two marginal hands and on the third occasion he 5 bet shoved from the SB over my 4 bet from MP with JJ when i decided to fight back, I folded. he is 10% 3bet from SB and 11% 3bet from the BB in 1300 hands. This was the first time I've ever seen him 5 bet shove on me.
I called the 4th 3bet with a big suited ace and 4 to an unhelpful flush came out and I had to fold the turn.
I did call him once from the BB and bluff raised the flop with air on a low board and he folded.
Here I decided to flat again in position. Perhaps a 4 bet for value, GII to a shove was in order here against his ranges. Its a big three bet and any 4 bet is pretty committal.
I really didn't know what to do on the turn here.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $26.40 (105.6 bb) 18/14/38 in 1400 hands
UTG+1: $29.30 (117.2 bb)
UTG+2: $30.28 (121.1 bb)
MP1: $28.28 (113.1 bb)
MP2: $52.37 (209.5 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25.39 (101.6 bb)
CO: $26.67 (106.7 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.10, MP1 folds, Hero calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.55) 3 J K (2 players)
BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50
I don't see much point in raising here and taking out his bluffs, the problem is we are back into that calling guessing game.

Turn: ($13.55) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $6.40
Hero??
Well we called the flop to keep in his bluffs which I would have expected him to check now if he was weak, but he is still firing happily away (he is aggressive and 52% turn cbet) . This card doesn't change anything.
He has likely tightened his range significantly against me but he could still have AK AA QQ JJ TT AQs KK in that sort of order, we have about 60% against that range so do we just call him down?
 
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Assuming GSD, FD, 2nd Pair or better and Top 2Pair + are OOP then

Cool... Thanks for those. They look great! I'll have to PM you about some coloring, and then hopefully we can include them in the updated Polished Poker. I'm going to add some pre-flop and post flop charts in there.
 
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Having a lot of problems with this villain, who is just owning me.
Already in this session (90 hands) prior to this hand he has 3bet me 4 times all from the blinds and won every hand.
I folded the first two marginal hands and on the third occasion he 5 bet shoved from the SB over my 4 bet from MP with JJ when i decided to fight back, I folded. he is 10% 3bet from SB and 11% 3bet from the BB in 1300 hands. This was the first time I've ever seen him 5 bet shove on me.
I called the 4th 3bet with a big suited ace and 4 to an unhelpful flush came out and I had to fold the turn.
I did call him once from the BB and bluff raised the flop with air on a low board and he folded.
Here I decided to flat again in position. Perhaps a 4 bet for value, GII to a shove was in order here against his ranges. Its a big three bet and any 4 bet is pretty committal.
I really didn't know what to do on the turn here.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $26.40 (105.6 bb) 18/14/38 in 1400 hands
UTG+1: $29.30 (117.2 bb)
UTG+2: $30.28 (121.1 bb)
MP1: $28.28 (113.1 bb)
MP2: $52.37 (209.5 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25.39 (101.6 bb)
CO: $26.67 (106.7 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.10, MP1 folds, Hero calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.55) 3 J K (2 players)
BB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50
I don't see much point in raising here and taking out his bluffs, the problem is we are back into that calling guessing game.

Turn: ($13.55) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $6.40
Hero??
Well we called the flop to keep in his bluffs which I would have expected him to check now if he was weak, but he is still firing happily away (he is aggressive and 52% turn cbet) . This card doesn't change anything.
He has likely tightened his range significantly against me but he could still have AK AA QQ JJ TT AQs KK in that sort of order, we have about 60% against that range so do we just call him down?

The bet looks like he has QQ / draw. There's really no good raising sizes, so you should just shove at this point. If he's been owning you he may make a call w/ QQ/TT type hands. Those hands aren't putting anymore money in any ways, so might as well charge his draws too.
 
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Cool... Thanks for those. They look great! I'll have to PM you about some coloring, and then hopefully we can include them in the updated Polished Poker. I'm going to add some pre-flop and post flop charts in there.
might have a slight problem with coloring as I'm colour blind :eek:
 
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The bet looks like he has QQ / draw. There's really no good raising sizes, so you should just shove at this point. If he's been owning you he may make a call w/ QQ/TT type hands. Those hands aren't putting anymore money in any ways, so might as well charge his draws too.

Thanks John...yeah can't fold here so might as well shove was my thinking. I Shoved he had KK of course.
 
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Thanks John...yeah can't fold here so might as well shove was my thinking. I Shoved he had KK of course.

Nooo... why did you shove? :) Kidding.... yeah. Poker = fun.
 
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just doing the River Actions

1) When it says OP Leads? YES - Im assuming that means you are in Position
2) When it Says OP Leads? NO - Does that mean you are OOP or villain checked to you

In Pic below it says OP Leads out and one of options is All ELSE C/F , think must be under when OP doesnt lead as you cant check fold if Villain Leads

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