JOEBOB'S return from the ashes

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Villain description for deuce. ~30 year old chubby reg white girl.

Eff stacks $500
Hero in the BB with A8o
folds, BTN raises to $12,fold, Hero raises to $35,BTN calls
Flop
KdJd6s
Hero bets$40,BTN calls
Turn
6c
Hero checks,BTN checks
River
2c
Hero bets $75,

Thoughts
 
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This is is $1/$3, right? I feel like we rep too much air, and not many value combos. And we're trying to get her to fold a J or like a pocket pair 7's through T's, which I think is wishful thinking when we check the turn and the board blanks out.
 
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I know who she is. She's actually a reg at two casinos, the one up in Erie and the Rivers. I haven't really played with her a ton, maybe 2 or 3 times and she was just super nitty from what I remember
 
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i know you like your chubby girls

Listen, with 200lbs of prime and sweaty british beefcake on top of you, they need to have a little meat on them :)

And for all you ladies reading this (it's JB's thread, so I know that means there'll be a lot of you), sorry, but I'm married so... *












* ... we'll have to be discreet.
 
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Your sarcasm is just ****ing ( me doing that Italian thing with my fingers to my lips, making that smacking noise) RIGHT!
 
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This thread, man. This thread.

Makes me want to resurrect my old thread.
 
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You should, you're back playing right?
In other news you don't have to post a graph for run bad. Just brag seems to work fine - $470 my last session. Idiots at the table run off 2 massive fish. These guys were running like 95/30. An hitting every thing, so the dumb ass regs started talking shit to them and they said they had enough. I mean, sigh
 
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You should, you're back playing right?
In other news you don't have to post a graph for run bad. Just brag seems to work fine - $470 my last session. Idiots at the table run off 2 massive fish. These guys were running like 95/30. An hitting every thing, so the dumb ass regs started talking shit to them and they said they had enough. I mean, sigh

plz tell me it wasn't rocket (the reg)
 
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One was a older guy ~ 65 years old( nerve wrecking) but there were 3-4 more talking shit to the fish

About 1am this ~50 year old guy had hair like a clown set down. Never stopped talking. Couldn't tell if he was talking to some one or his self. LOL this guy was for real crazy as clown pussy
 
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never mind. I think I know the old guy. As far as the other guy, there's a reg named rocket who always berates the fish. like middle 40's, always wears underarmour or athletic wear and has a golfing hat on
 
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Yeah I'm back grinding again JB, but as usual I don't really wanna say much about it unless I have half decent results :D

In any case, I played last night and there was a fish who tanked about 6 minutes on a river decision where he had a strong bluff catcher and the villain's line looked really bluffy. Reg-type on my left gets SUPER exasperated and goes "a seven minute tank for THAT?!!?!" and just can't stop shaking his head and rolling his eyes etc. I wanted to punch him. I still ended up taking about a BI off the fishy.
 
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^ Good now restart your thread before i start bumping it up.

Ok my biggest lose the other night i chalked up to it being standard,but maybe it wasn't.
Hero and BB villain $300 effective stacks. SB ss starts hand ~$75

Hero on the BTN 9sTs
UTG raises to $12,fold,call,call,fold,call,Hero calls,SB calls,BB calls.

Flop
6s7s4d
SB shoves ~$65ish,BB calls,folds,Hero shoves

Thoughts?

Here is mine.
Calling here seems super bad. If i call an the turn bricks, villain bets $100+ i'm just sick. So i ruled that out.

Folding we can't be in bad shape no matter what villain is holding.

Min raise or close to it. We are not folding any thing out that villain called the shove with any way.

Shoving we do fold out a lot of his hands that have EQ vs ours. Jsxs, Qsxs ,Ksxs, 5x+pairs, even 7x maybe even a weird two pair(i doubt that though,but eh).

Best line..........
 
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This is a closer spot than you're giving it credit for imo.

I agree that min-raise is out for the exact reason you mentioned.

Preflop there should be $48 in the pot, minus the rake. SB shoves ~$65 and BB calls, so there is $175 or so in the pot and it's ~$65 to us. Which means we are actually getting the correct odds to flat here to see one street if we think all of our outs are nutted. I'd say there's also a really solid chance that BB will just check a lot of turns and we get to see rivers for free. Even if not he may make a bet size mistake and let us see the river for the correct amount.

I want to challenge that we have as much FE as you claim. You didn't really give any reads at all, so I'm assuming typical live fish, and with any draw stronger draw than ours, they may not be able to fold for only about $220 more into a pot that would be bordering on $480 or so.

So it all really comes down to how much FE you realistically think you have against BB's flat calling range (of a more than pot sized shove on a wet board). I'm certainly not folding though.
 
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Villains first hand,so no reads. That's how i knew what the exact eff stack sizes were:)
Him buying in for 100bb's should tell us someing though. As for what his range is for flating the shove is open for debate.
For calling i'm not sure about.
About the FE, i believe you give to much credit for live players to do the correct math. Live players imo just look at the bet size. Not it's relationship to the size of the pot. OMGGGZZZZ a $200 bet etc.


So you flat?
 
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Not saying a definitely flat or definitely shove. Since it's first hand it may depend on my perception of them, etc. But either is prob gonna be +EV tbh. These days I try to analyze the lower variance choice before going for the "we haz equity, let's get it in." Your point about live players often just looking at the absolute size of the bet is definitely valid, but if we want to read into the fact that he bought in full, it is slightly less valid imo. Frankly, I'm liking a shove more and more just because the bet does look so large, but I also feel a lot of live players think "he might be bluffing" in spots where we can never be bluffing (or at least we're bluffing with almost 1/3 of the deck as outs).
 
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Just drove 10+ hours to Tampa. Now sitting at the hard rock, probably not the idea to play but w/e
 
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Ship the $40 lol
Nothing much
Won a lot of small pots, but the big ones didn't go my way.
300nl
Villain is a fish to my right ~$370 hero has him covered
Hero in CO with AcQc
UTG straddles to $6,UTG +1 calls, folds, Villain calls, Hero raises to $25, fold, Villain calls
Flop
Jc9c6s
Villain checks, Hero bets $45, Villain calls
Turn
Ts
Villain checks, Hero bets $85, Villain calls
River 6d
Villain checks, Hero sighs checks,
Villain shows K9o
Thoughts?

Hand 2 villain is a Asian woman (why do i mention that? i have never been able to get a read on a Asian woman) on the BTN
They just started a tourney so our table was 5 handed.
EFF stacks ~$400
Hero in BB A9o
folds, Villain raises to $15,fold, Hero calls
Flop TTQ rainbow
Hero checks, Villain bets $25, Hero calls
Turn 4c
Hero checks, Villain bets $40, Hero calls
River 9s
Hero checks, Villain bets $60, Hero calls

Thoughts?
 
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First hand seems fine. Don't think we should really be looking for that many folds against villain on the river. Actually, come to think of it we can probably just check behind the turn since we know we can't profitably barrel the river. But we have a ton of equity so betting the turn doesn't really seem bad either.

I'm really not a fan of any part of the second hand tbh. A9o isn't playing that well against a live BTN open (compared to online), especially OOP. We don't really have any value except when we make top pair or trips, which won't happen as often as we want. Idk, just seems a bit questionable. I kind of like a 3b pre. Flop, are we just floating b/c we have an ace and expect her to give up bluffs? And if so, why are we calling the turn? I don't think the "we're getting an insane price" argument is valid since I think we literally beat nothing at this point. On the river I'm not that convinced we're even ahead, since the only thing we ever beat now is like pocket 6's that tried to go for "thin value" on every street by betting tiny.

Basically without reads I fold or 3b pre. Without reads calling flop seems fine, but calling turn seems bad. Without reads, I'm definitely considering folding the river. (This could change SLIGHTLY if the turn brought backdoor draws, but you didn't specify so I assumed not, and I don't think it's that big a factor anyway.)
 
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Yeah hand 2 I think I should of 3bet. Its not strong enough to flat, if it was AJ I think it would be OK to flat in that spot, but not A9o.
I just believed that she would double barrel all of her range. An since its a paired board its hard for her to connect. I tanked for ~ a minute on the river before I called. I didn't think she would triple barrel with air. Turns out she had J8 off an hit the gutter ball on the river. If I 3bet per like I should of the hand is over, and I don't get put in a sick guessing game.
 
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I went and played some live 1/3 last night. There was a ton of money on the table. I was the short stack most of the night. There was two big fish in the game. One to my right, and the other three to my left. With the big chip stack to his direct left with ~3k or so. The normal opening raise was $15-$30 depending on the player. I never seen anyone raise less than $15 preflop. By the way this was a ten handed table.

Hand 1)
Hero has ~$500 villain has ~$900
Hero in CO AdKd
3 calls, HJ (villain calls), Hero raises to $25, folds, MP calls, villain calls.
Pot ($$85)
Flop
Ah9d5c
Check, check, hero bets $40, MP folds, villain calls,
Pot ($165)
Turn
9h
villain checks, Hero bets $75, villain calls.
Pot ($305)
River Tc
Villain checks, Hero bets $125, Villain calls.
The hand is worth 3 streets of values against a passive fish right? What about my sizing in the hand?

Hand 2)
Hero has ~$600 villain has hero covered. Villain is a young guy hoody, and sunglasses never talked.
Hero in the SB AcJc
5/6 limps, Hero completes, BB checks
Pot ($24)
Flop
QdKc7d
Hero bets $20,fold,fold,villain calls,fold,call,fold
Pot ($84)
Turn
As
Hero bets $50, villain calls, fold
Pot ($184)
River
Js
Hero checks, villain checks
Thoughts on all of the hand needed. Pre-river.


Ok at this point , well any point in the course of the night I never got dealt any premium pp’s. I thought every one was opening big while being semi light. That plus my tight image, I thought it might be a good squeeze spot. This was my first preflop 3bet in like 4hours.


Hand 3)
Hero has ~$370 shortest on the table so that will be the effective stacks.
Hero on the BTN QcTs
3calls,HJ raises to $30,CO calls $30,Hero raises to $125,fold,BB snap calls,folds, HJ calls $95, CO folds
Pot (~$415)
Flop
Jh9h4h
BB bets $55, HJ calls $55, Hero ????? wants a ****ing time machine and go back and fold pre obv. But I mean WTF???

So after 7 hours of grinding at the end of the night I had a total profit of $17 lol. I hit a royal flush on the turn in one hand were I held AsKs so I made nothing, no promo’s no nothing. Floped quads 3 times and turned quads once. Also were I didn’t make any $ Which is understandable when I hold all the cards. But eh
Thanks in advance for the HA.




Hand 1 villain had ATo. Hand 2 villain had AQo. Hand 3 i tank folded thinking about the price which i'm still not sure of. BB bet $100 on a low non heart turn HJ called. River was a non heart A BB checked HJ checked. HJ showed J9o, BB mucked.
 
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