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[underdog140]

Why bring up Mendes at all then?

I already said why. We were discussing full camps vs short camps. Are other topic of discussing was Conor. There were two fighters that fought Conor on short notice. Mendes was one of them. Conor still hasn't fought allot of top guys. Mendes is one that he did fight. So obviously he would be brought up.

Thanks in full to the fact that he is and was a drugs cheat, you nor anyone can know how well prepared he really was for the fight with McGregor. Full camp or not, Mendes is a terrible example to use for anything.

How can someone be prepared to fight when you are giving a week or two notice ? A guy who shortly before went 5 rounds with Aldo gasses in round 2 in a short notice fight. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see he wasn't prepared.

You are trying to use the same point I have been trying to get across to you about PED use as an example about preparation for camps. No-one can say for sure when Mendes started PED use. We can only go by the time he was caught. Everything else is just speculation.

Putting words in my mouth now? Did I say Mendes or anyone was usng for his entire career?

No I did not. But common sense alone will tell you he didn't just start the day before he was caught. Like I said, Just trolling or too stubborn if you keep maintaining otherwise.

From the post I been reading it seemed like you were implying it. Do you have information the rest of us don't have. What day did Mendes start using. Just before the Conor fight ? If not we can only go by when he got caught. I already gave you my thoughts on PED use multiple times.

MMA was built on people that used PED's. I don't feel the same way about them as you do. They are against the rules and the rules should be followed and punishment given if caught breaking them but I am not just going to ignore what happen in fights prior to them getting caught because they used PED's at some point and got caught. I believe most top fighters are on them anyways.

 

[Rincewind]

I already said why. We were discussing full camps vs short camps. Are other topic of discussing was Conor. There were two fighters that fought Conor on short notice. Mendes was one of them. Conor still hasn't fought allot of top guys.

This just proves you have your mind well and truly made up about him. How can you be so blinkered to make such a broad statement. Stupid really when you consider the quality of opponent he has faced.

-Max Holloway is a future champion at 145. McGregor dominated him for 3 rounds.
-Poirier was ranked at 5 or six when McGregor put him away with complete ease.
-Beat Diaz, the 5th ranked LW (after both had a full camp)
-Iced the FW champ in 13 seconds.

And you are gonna try and tell me he still hasn't beaten top guys. Dont be stupid. How much more does he have to do? Would you like him to fight GSP maybe? Or how about Cain? LOL

EDIT: Not even responding to the rest of the nonsense in your last post. Anyone with a shred of common sense can see Chad Mendes was on PED's long before he faced McGregor. Only a fool would say otherwise or refuse to acknowledge it. You are happy to say without evidence that you believe most top fighters are on PED's but you cant acknowledge that Mendes has obviously been on em for a long time. Kinda hypocritical there dont ya think?

 

[underdog140]

This just proves you have your mind well and truly made up about him. How can you be so blinkered to make such a broad statement. Stupid really when you consider the quality of opponent he has faced.

-Max Holloway is a future champion at 145. McGregor dominated him for 3 rounds.
-Poirier was ranked at 5 or six when McGregor put him away with complete ease.
-Beat Diaz, the 5th ranked LW (after both had a full camp)
-Iced the FW champ in 13 seconds.

And you are gonna try and tell me he still hasn't beaten top guys. Dont be stupid. How much more does he have to do? Would you like him to fight GSP maybe? Or how about Cain? LOL

You lack reading comprehension. I said he hasn't fought allot of top guys. I didn't say he didn't fight any.

Conor has fought exactly two top guys. Mendes and Aldo. He end up beating both and that is what matters most but context does matter also. Mendes came in on short notice and Aldo was KO'd in 13 seconds. Meaning we didn't get to see anything we didn't already know. Conor has KO power. Impressive win.

Then we have him against Nate Diaz, who is a win one lose one fighter. Diaz is not at the top elite of fighters. He is very tough, fun to watch and very good. But he is a guy that was 2-3 going into the Conor fight.

The other fighters he has faced were not top fighters at the time Conor faced them. Guys like Poirier and Denis Siver don't compare to guys like Aldo.

EDIT: Not even responding to the rest of the nonsense in your last post. Anyone with a shred of common sense can see Chad Mendes was on PED's long before he faced McGregor. Only a fool would say otherwise or refuse to acknowledge it. You are happy to say without evidence that you believe most top fighters are on PED's but you cant acknowledge that Mendes has obviously been on em for a long time. Kinda hypocritical there dont ya think?

Edit: I didn't refuse to acknowledge anything. Again... Reading Comprehension. I am not being hypocritical either. I am not sure how else I can put it for you. I believe ( an opinion of mine ) that allot at the top are using regardless. This includes the person you accuse me of not acknowledging may have been using prior to getting caught. It also includes your beloved Conor.

 

[Rincewind]

You lack reading comprehension. I said he hasn't fought allot of top guys. I didn't say he didn't fight any.

Conor has fought exactly two top guys. Mendes and Aldo. He end up beating both and that is what matters most but context does matter also. Mendes came in on short notice and Aldo was KO'd in 13 seconds. Meaning we didn't get to see anything we didn't already know. Conor has KO power. Impressive win.

Then we have him against Nate Diaz, who is a win one lose one fighter. Diaz is not at the top elite of fighters. He is very tough, fun to watch and very good. But he is a guy that was 2-3 going into the Conor fight.

The other fighters he has faced were not top fighters at the time Conor faced them. Guys like Poirier and Denis Siver don't compare to guys like Aldo.



Edit: I didn't refuse to acknowledge anything. Again... Reading Comprehension. I am not being hypocritical either. I am not sure how else I can put it for you. I believe ( an opinion of mine ) that allot at the top are using regardless. This includes the person you accuse me of not acknowledging may have been using prior to getting caught. It also includes your beloved Conor.

It is truly quite staggering the ease with which you contradict and basically make a hypocrite of yourself to suit your own point of view. So many phrases also immediately spring to mind, strawman, ad hominem etc etc.

I'm going to let you at it as you are so obviously blinkered in your opinion. If I may borrow a phrase from the USA, ''haters gonna hate''. But do ye really have to make it so bloody obvious??

 

[Cdub512]

I'm happy that Conor beat Nate. He showed a lot of heart after the 2nd round, considering it looked like he gassed out. I'd like to see him rematch Aldo, but I think he will fight Alvarez next.

 

[SMD Jabroni]

hey to the guy dickriding conner like slim pickens in dr strangelove.
can you please post all the gifs of conner running away from diaz. please.
and can you also put a bronze medal around his neck?

 

[WVHillbilly]

Dana better hope Coner is ready for 205 because apparently Ronda isn't.

http://mmajunkie.com/2016/08/will-r...-new-york-city-definitely-not-dana-white-says

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Ronda has one of the worst mental games in pro sports, it seems.

Edit: compared to McGregor who has one of the best.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Ronda has one of the worst mental games in pro sports, it seems.

Edit: compared to McGregor who has one of the best.

Agreed. If she come back and gets beat again, I won't be at all surprised if she never fights again.

 

[Rincewind]

hey to the guy dickriding conner like slim pickens in dr strangelove.
can you please post all the gifs of conner running away from diaz. please.
and can you also put a bronze medal around his neck?

Aww still sore over the money you lost on Diaz?

 

[Rincewind]

Rory Mac has signed with Bellator.

He wont be the last big name to jump ship unless the UFC start looking after their fighters better.

Hope it works out well for him. The UFC's loss is a gain for Bellator, MMA fans and Rory himself.

 

[Blackout09]

I see a lot UFC fighters headed to Bellator after their contract is up.

 

[andyt5303]

Yeah just heard that tonight. There was a lot riding on that wonderboy fight for Rory's contract negotiations obviously.

Sad to see him go but excited to watch him tear up Bellator! Not that well educated on the bellator welterweight division but saw michael page fight in London who looked really impressive, still see rory dominating for the most part though.

 

[Poker Orifice]

So he was juicing and he still lost to Aldo (twice), McGregor and Edgar. That's really not a good look for him...

Because if he was juicing that should make enough difference for him that he'd win those fights??

 

[Rincewind]

Sad to see him go but excited to watch him tear up Bellator! Not that well educated on the bellator welterweight division but saw michael page fight in London who looked really impressive, still see rory dominating for the most part though.

Bellator's WW division is stacked full of legit killers. Champ Koreshkov just recently beat Benson Henderson.

Paul Daley is there as well.

 

[Poker Orifice]

He had more than enough HGH in him to compensate for any lack of a camp.

Impress us with some more utterly ridiculous statements.

 

[OzExorcist]

I see a lot UFC fighters headed to Bellator after their contract is up.

He wont be the last big name to jump ship unless the UFC start looking after their fighters better.

I think you're both right, but only for a certain mid-level calibre of fighter.

The UFC is still the only place where fighters can make truly big
(McGregor, Rousey, GSP, etc) amounts of money because it's still got the biggest platform, the biggest audience and (most importantly) regular PPV income. There's no way Bellator can compete with those kind of amounts.

For guys on the tier below though, like Rory Mac, and Bendo and Phil Davis before him, yeah it probably makes a lot of sense. They weren't making money from PPV points very often in the UFC anyway, for one reason or another they've been put out of UFC title contention, and they stand a real chance of becoming champions in Bellator.

IIRC last weekend was the final fight on Lorenz Larkin's UFC contract, he's the kind of guy that could easily jump ship. I just don't see it happening for the upper-echelon fighters with the market as it currently is.

Agreed. If she come back and gets beat again, I won't be at all surprised if she never fights again.

At this stage, I wouldn't be surprised if she never fights again period, let alone after coming back and losing.

And TBH if I were her I'd probably walk away too. She's made her money. Her body is breaking down (her knees have apparently been shot for years, which apparently is why she never throws kicks) and she's got opportunities to continue earning that don't involve being punched in the face.

Because if he was juicing that should make enough difference for him that he'd win those fights??

I'm just saying it's a bad look for Mendes.

The facts are he's lost three of his past four fights, he got pinged for PEDs and he's suspended until mid-2018. He'll be 33 years old then, on the downslope of his athletic prime.

 

[WVHillbilly]

At this stage, I wouldn't be surprised if she never fights again period, let alone after coming back and losing.

And TBH if I were her I'd probably walk away too. She's made her money. Her body is breaking down (her knees have apparently been shot for years, which apparently is why she never throws kicks) and she's got opportunities to continue earning that don't involve being punched in the face.

Going to be hard to pass up what's likely to be a $10 million + payday though but you could be right.

 

[underdog140]

If UFC wanted to keep Rory they probably could have. They won't let any of their big stars go. Then again they are under new ownership so could be an interesting turn of events.

Whats the under/over that the new owners end up selling back the UFC to the Fertittas at a much lower cost then they bought it for ?

I like the move for Rory. I see him becoming champ at Bellator and eventually making his way back to UFC.

 

[OzExorcist]

Going to be hard to pass up what's likely to be a $10 million + payday though but you could be right.

Yeah true - I guess that's the biggest difference between Rousey and somebody like Gina Carano. When Carano left fighting, acting in cameos and b-list movies probably meant a pay rise for her, wherease Rousey would probably be taking a pay cut.

I've got absolutely no idea what she'd be getting paid for, say, starring in this Roadhouse remake but $10 million feels too high for that doesn't it?

If UFC wanted to keep Rory they probably could have. They won't let any of their big stars go. Then again they are under new ownership so could be an interesting turn of events.

Whats the under/over that the new owners end up selling back the UFC to the Fertittas at a much lower cost then they bought it for ?

I like the move for Rory. I see him becoming champ at Bellator and eventually making his way back to UFC.

I think that's the key thing right at the start there: if the UFC wanted to keep Rory they could have. Him signing with Bellator first and foremost tells me that the UFC didn't want him (at least not at the price he was asking).

And you can kinda see why: he's relatively young still but he's got a lot of fighting wear and tear on his body. The recurring broken noses in particular aren't a great sign for him being able to fight regularly. And he's got hardcore fan appeal but he's a terrible promoter.

As for the UFC being sold back to the Fertittas? I guess anything's possible. It would surprise me though, for a few reasons.

The biggest one IMO is the UFC is due to sign a new TV deal in the next few years, which is likely to be worth even more than the current Fox one is. So if they just go business as usual they'll probably be worth even more.

For the Fertittas to be in a position to buy it back for a much lower price, a whole lot of stuff would have to go seriously wrong inside the company. They'd have to lose multiple marquee stars to the opposition AND lose their TV deal or something. And the thing about the new ownership is their core business is managing talent and building stars. Ronda Rousey and The Rock are just a couple of the sports personalities on their roster that they've turned into big crossover stars. Now, of course, not everybody on the UFC roster has that kind of potential: in fact there's probably only a small handful. But they should be much better at bringing up and developing the "next" Rousey or McGregor, as opposed to the UFC which seemingly just lucked out that those stars landed on their roster and were prepared to put in the work to build their brands.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

Thank you for this informative and insightful contribution to the conversation.

Move along now laddy. The grown ups are talking.

Lol. Fangirling a man is a grown up thing?

i guess i don't want to grow up then.

I don't know if you've noticed but your devotion to Conor is a joke to a good number of people here.

I get that ur a proud irish but you sound like a puppy who hasn't seen its owner for months and then starts jumping and pissing all over the place the moment the door opens.

 

[Rincewind]

Impress us with some more utterly ridiculous statements.

Yawn.

 

[Rincewind]

Impress us with some more utterly ridiculous statements.

Lol. Fangirling a man is a grown up thing?

i guess i don't want to grow up then.

I don't know if you've noticed but your devotion to Conor is a joke to a good number of people here.

I get that ur a proud irish but you sound like a puppy who hasn't seen its owner for months and then starts jumping and pissing all over the place the moment the door opens.

I get that you're hurting but he won. Get over it.

Desperation is not a good look for anyone.

 

[underdog140]

I think that's the key thing right at the start there: if the UFC wanted to keep Rory they could have. Him signing with Bellator first and foremost tells me that the UFC didn't want him (at least not at the price he was asking).

And you can kinda see why: he's relatively young still but he's got a lot of fighting wear and tear on his body. The recurring broken noses in particular aren't a great sign for him being able to fight regularly. And he's got hardcore fan appeal but he's a terrible promoter.

True, I also feel as Rory was given a big push and was expected to win the title but couldn't get it done. It seems to me Rory popularity has peaked and dropped.

As for the UFC being sold back to the Fertittas? I guess anything's possible. It would surprise me though, for a few reasons.......

True but MMA is a different animal. Many have tried and many have failed. I'm sure you read about how the past owners acquired ownership. I wouldn't put anything past them. I wouldn't be all that surprised if it happened. Just an interesting thought.

As for Ronda, I can see her coming back but it won't be for a title shot like Dana wants. I think it will be against someone she is confident she can beat. Most likely someone she already has. Maby even against Miesha Tate. Then I could see her Retiring afterwards. She seems like a person that quitting after a loss would drive her nuts. But on the other hand I think she is so scared of losing we might not ever see her fight again.

 

[Rincewind]

Pretty decent main card this weekend. Looking forward to Maia/Condit and Lauzon/Miller.

Lauzon/Miller especially could be a grappling fans dream. In the main event, Condit should be doing everything in his power to avoid a grappling match.

I think Maia can just about sneak the decision win here.

Who you got?