After all, who believes that most poker sites are rigged?

[luckyfish98]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

the game of poker itself is a lottery by its very nature
the luck factor is very high even if everything is seen and controlled

 

[heguli82]

Randomness of live poker with live dealear, is not something that you can programmed. What you can program is random card system for online poker.

 

[Rijckenborg]

I don't think online poker room are rigged.BUT, some of them let 3rd party software or application or name it, have access to hand history. In my opinion those App act like spyware or virus. Having access to a player hand history can help to program bot. Take the most popular HUD, it have access to hand history of all user, so this 3-rd party app know how all of their user can play.

 

[mr.fers_one]

The fact that online poker is not honest is believed by chips that rely on luck...

 

[jonaselloco]

the players themselves are to blame because they don't know how to play poker and always look for blame elsewhere - look at poker games % how big the possibilities are AND STOP ALWAYS LOOKING FOR EXCUSES!
but I like your thoughts!

Hello brother

Thank you

The translation may not help, but I'm not looking for excuses.

But I give as an example the excuses that we all make when either we don't play well, or even if we play well the game goes badly for us.

The games are not being fixed, that is a lie.

For example, I just lost 20 boxes in PLO2, almost all badbeats or coolers, but I'm not complaining because I was coming off a positive streak of 80 boxes in a month.

By this I mean that there are days when things go well and there are days when they don't, but if you play well over the long term the streaks are always positive.

My regards, brother

 

[Joerandom]

Are yall.****ing kidding me with this shit. Does no one remember absolute poker? When people say oh these sites have no reason to rig games. Tell absolute poker that they did it for years before anything was done.

 

[monkeytilter]

The point about "as random as possible" - it's impossible for computers to generate a sequence of random numbers, the best they can do is generate pseudo-random sequences (i.e. they look random but on detailed inspection they are not due to the mathematical method of generating them).

Only natural processes such as radioactive decay can produce true randomness.

I believe companies will either buy a block of random numbers periodically to use as seeds for their pseudo-random generation process, or have in house equipment to generate them. Either way this is time consuming and relatively expensive. so not every number sequence used is truly random only the starting seeds, but this results in a sequence so close to truly random it's indistinguishable from one.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Are yall.****ing kidding me with this shit. Does no one remember absolute poker? When people say oh these sites have no reason to rig games. Tell absolute poker that they did it for years before anything was done.

Superusers have nothing to do with the game being rigged.

Don't confuse what u don't understand 😅

 

[S3mper]

Are yall.****ing kidding me with this shit. Does no one remember absolute poker? When people say oh these sites have no reason to rig games. Tell absolute poker that they did it for years before anything was done.

It's not that they have 'no reason' to rig the games it's that the reasons are far outweighed by the risk. For example, do you remember Absolute Poker? And you don't get to just go "There's reasons to therefore it's happening" People need to provide evidence that it's happening. Which despite (T)rillions of hands to use as evidence none is presented.

 

[luckyfish98]

It's not that they have 'no reason' to rig the games it's that the reasons are far outweighed by the risk. For example, do you remember Absolute Poker? And you don't get to just go "There's reasons to therefore it's happening" People need to provide evidence that it's happening. Which despite (T)rillions of hands to use as evidence none is presented.

The main thing is the final result - if I have 10 K at the beginning of the month, but zero at the end of the month, then I can safely say that online poker is fake

Next month I will have 10K and at the end of the month I will also have 10K, then I will say that online poker is not fake

Know how - online poker won't be 100% rigged in every game you play, but it does happen occasionally

 

[luckyfish98]

Hello brother

Thank you

The translation may not help, but I'm not looking for excuses.

But I give as an example the excuses that we all make when either we don't play well, or even if we play well the game goes badly for us.

The games are not being fixed, that is a lie.

For example, I just lost 20 boxes in PLO2, almost all badbeats or coolers, but I'm not complaining because I was coming off a positive streak of 80 boxes in a month.

By this I mean that there are days when things go well and there are days when they don't, but if you play well over the long term the streaks are always positive.

My regards, brother

you are one of the lucky ones who have not yet been beaten by a FAKE ONLINE POKER HAND(wait it will happen)

 

[MK_]

The main thing is the final result - if I have 10 K at the beginning of the month, but zero at the end of the month, then I can safely say that online poker is fake

Next month I will have 10K and at the end of the month I will also have 10K, then I will say that online poker is not fake

Know how - online poker won't be 100% rigged in every game you play, but it does happen occasionally

lol so if you lose it's rigged... but if you have the same amount at the end of the month it's not lol. ... confirmation bias in a nutshell

 

[luckyfish98]

lol so if you lose it's rigged... but if you have the same amount at the end of the month it's not lol. ... confirmation bias in a nutshell

this is my opinion - I think what I want and can you prove that it is wrong
read the headline- After all, who believes that most poker sites are fake? and yes i sometimes believe….

 

[MK_]

this is my opinion - I think what I want and can you prove that it is wrong
read the headline- After all, who believes that most poker sites are fake? and yes i sometimes believe….

dude, you keep changing your comment afterwards.... opinions aren't facts, carry on editing😏👍

 

[luckyfish98]

dude, you keep changing your comment afterwards.... opinions aren't facts, carry on editing😏👍

Many believe in God, although they cannot prove his existence - I also believe that online poker is fake, but I can't prove it....

If even half of my games that I play online are manipulated, then I am at least happy about those games that are not manipulated (although I don't know what those games are - only God and the fraudsters who do it know that)

 

[luckyfish98]

Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
TY

Who wants to admit that they are guilty - but on the other hand, there are a lot of employees working in online poker, and all these years, while online poker has existed, has one of these employees told us something interesting, unusual. ....

I'm waiting for one of them to start talking about the behind the scenes of online poker

 

[luckyfish98]

A lot of people don't seem to care if online poker is fake or not, the main thing for them is to have somewhere to spend time and somewhere to spend money
Interesting, but sometimes it happens to me too.....

 

[S3mper]

Who wants to admit that they are guilty - but on the other hand, there are a lot of employees working in online poker, and all these years, while online poker has existed, has one of these employees told us something interesting, unusual. ....

I'm waiting for one of them to start talking about the behind the scenes of online poker

The fact that employees don't come out is not evidence that it's rigged if anything it's the opposite.

The deal isn't rigged. If anything, you're way more likely to encounter a rigged deal in live poker than online. Online poker has real threats the deal isn't one of them.

 

[luckyfish98]

The fact that employees don't come out is not evidence that it's rigged if anything it's the opposite.

The deal isn't rigged. If anything, you're way more likely to encounter a rigged deal in live poker than online. Online poker has real threats the deal isn't one of them.

I only like justice and I hate lies
do you know why online poker workers don't talk yet because they are well paid and only a few know all the dark secrets

 

[S3mper]

I only like justice and I hate lies
do you know why online poker workers don't talk yet because they are well paid and only a few know all the dark secrets

Or....



...It's not rigged...

 

[Jean-Guy]

After reading OP’s fine and very articulate post I’m in doubt.

I would like to believe that RNG actually is random and there is no foul play from at least the biggest pokersites. But I’m not sure.

Which interest would the sites have to rig the system. To gain more action as the playmoney sites fake algorithms?
And what about the constant winning players? Seems outlandish to believe that they can “beat a fake system.” Or is it?

 

[Poker Orifice]

Are yall.****ing kidding me with this shit. Does no one remember absolute poker? When people say oh these sites have no reason to rig games. Tell absolute poker that they did it for years before anything was done.

Except that the deal wasn't rigged at all on Absolute Poker.

 

[Poker Orifice]

The main thing is the final result - if I have 10 K at the beginning of the month, but zero at the end of the month, then I can safely say that online poker is fake

Next month I will have 10K and at the end of the month I will also have 10K, then I will say that online poker is not fake

Know how - online poker won't be 100% rigged in every game you play, but it does happen occasionally

Incredible display of Luckyfish98's logical thinking process. Very scientific of you.

If you truly believe the deal is rigged, WHY would you EVER play?

 

[S3mper]

Also, if you're taking 10K (and losing it) I'm assuming you're playing the nosebleeds. Which you're definitely losing in (Even if you shuffled yourself) so that even makes your absurd metric even crazier. lol

 

[luckyfish98]

Incredible display of Luckyfish98's logical thinking process. Very scientific of you.

If you truly believe the deal is rigged, WHY would you EVER play?

You probably underestimate the capabilities of today's technology(I'm still in the process of finding the truth thats why I still playing poker)

and look at what children are doing today - the mobile phone is their best friend