lilypond
Rock Star
Bronze Level
I don't think using an HUD is cheating. You are going data on the players based on their hand history and the HUD helps you to remember information you would otherwise forget.
You cannot see the players' cards or do anything that would count as cheating from my perspective. I never thought of HUDs as unethical.
You cannot see the players' cards or do anything that would count as cheating from my perspective. I never thought of HUDs as unethical.
10gerka
Legend
Platinum Level
They should not be fraudulent as long as everyone has the option to use it, in the rooms some allow it and others do not, but I think that like in every sport everyone uses their weapons for war, and this is the same in poker, yes You want to be competent you have to prepare more.
RENEY444
Visionary
Platinum Level
I agree 100% .
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Recreational players lose, because they play like this. It has nothing to do with HUDs
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Rijckenborg
Legend
Platinum Level
In my opinion, no HUD and any other software or application or tool should WORK at all on any poker room, because I think they act as virus or trojan.
In order to run , all of those TOOL need that the poker room in question , open port and create link with the tool. Poker room should not at all cost let any software have access to their code. Im pretty sure that online poker room are 100% legit . But if third party App have access to hand history, at what else a good coder can have access ? Hud rely on the fact that poker room have port/door opened or else it cannot run.
In order to run , all of those TOOL need that the poker room in question , open port and create link with the tool. Poker room should not at all cost let any software have access to their code. Im pretty sure that online poker room are 100% legit . But if third party App have access to hand history, at what else a good coder can have access ? Hud rely on the fact that poker room have port/door opened or else it cannot run.
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Suns of Beaches
Ripley rips it in on Replay
Platinum Level
No I don't think it's cheating. But at the same time i think a game should be played without any external help/program.
Sites who allow trackers would be softer and more beginner friendly if trackers would not be allowed imo.
Sites who allow trackers would be softer and more beginner friendly if trackers would not be allowed imo.
Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
Community Guide
I don't believe the use of a HUD is cheating or unethical I also think the use of an HUD very overrated. While I may have one running when I play on a site that allows it I really don't use it but what I do use is the tracking software so I can go back and review my hands and play after the tournament let's see if I played well or not.
The reason I think they are overrated it's too many people who use them may not really understand how to use some and when not to use them. I looked back at one of the top players I had and a game from CC a few years back. This person had a three bet to fold of 0. If you look at that note you don't necessarily want to forget them as they never fold. But here's the thing it only happened like three times. It doesn't mean they're always going to call you and your format it's just that the stack isn't as accurate as you would think. With only three times happening it's not enough to say it's a solid fair number. Then you need to look at other statistics like this three betting range or how often they do 3 bet. This person's 3 bet range wasn't one and when I looked at their stats of what hand they did three between the only time they ever 3 bet was with pocket aces. While some stats can be very helpful until you get 10s of thousands of hands on a player it many of the stats may not be as useful as you think. Ohh yes somebody who's grinding and playing professionally it would be helpful if they're that good they also know what Scotts mean less then they show until they get to a certain point. Looking back at a few of the games that were played there was one or two that stood out interesting to me. One tournament I won I had actually VIP 42% and my PRF was like 38. If you would not played me before and were with me most of the night I had almost 300 hands played looking at those stats you could say I'm at least the lag if not closing on manicle. Another tournament I went very deep in and won I had a VIP of 15. If he played me that day and you are didn't know who I was you would think I'm a total nit. I do agree this could be helpful to get an idea on players and yes once you get say 1000 hands on somebody you could start to say OK he's loose or he is tight but then again if the cards are running great 1000 hands isn't that many it's only the beginning of the information you get. Most players who use and HUD we'll find it helpful as I said looking at how you have played and the past.. But unless you are putting in a lot of volume I think the HUD could cause you more problems than help if you're not aware.
The reason I think they are overrated it's too many people who use them may not really understand how to use some and when not to use them. I looked back at one of the top players I had and a game from CC a few years back. This person had a three bet to fold of 0. If you look at that note you don't necessarily want to forget them as they never fold. But here's the thing it only happened like three times. It doesn't mean they're always going to call you and your format it's just that the stack isn't as accurate as you would think. With only three times happening it's not enough to say it's a solid fair number. Then you need to look at other statistics like this three betting range or how often they do 3 bet. This person's 3 bet range wasn't one and when I looked at their stats of what hand they did three between the only time they ever 3 bet was with pocket aces. While some stats can be very helpful until you get 10s of thousands of hands on a player it many of the stats may not be as useful as you think. Ohh yes somebody who's grinding and playing professionally it would be helpful if they're that good they also know what Scotts mean less then they show until they get to a certain point. Looking back at a few of the games that were played there was one or two that stood out interesting to me. One tournament I won I had actually VIP 42% and my PRF was like 38. If you would not played me before and were with me most of the night I had almost 300 hands played looking at those stats you could say I'm at least the lag if not closing on manicle. Another tournament I went very deep in and won I had a VIP of 15. If he played me that day and you are didn't know who I was you would think I'm a total nit. I do agree this could be helpful to get an idea on players and yes once you get say 1000 hands on somebody you could start to say OK he's loose or he is tight but then again if the cards are running great 1000 hands isn't that many it's only the beginning of the information you get. Most players who use and HUD we'll find it helpful as I said looking at how you have played and the past.. But unless you are putting in a lot of volume I think the HUD could cause you more problems than help if you're not aware.
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mclay
Visionary
Platinum Level
Well said, everything is short and clear, I subscribe to every word.
hilary antonik filho
Legend
Loyaler
I don't use it and I never have, I intend to continue not using it, I want to participate, play, win or lose within my capabilities, I like to test and be tested, bluff if that's the case, discover or detect a bluff and know that I accomplished my goals, what merits I will have, using HUD, how can I say I won using HUD, so it's up to each player to use it or not
antonis32123
Legend
Loyaler
I wouldn't recommend to any new player who wants to play poker , to start playing at a poker room online . Only if he had no problem trying to cheat others with Huds rta GTO solvers , or collision with other players , with chip dumping , soft play , sharing of cards with shared streams or playing together Because only cheaters win in online poker . Period .
So if he doesn't want to play a cheating version of poker , he should play live , or sth else , not online poker
So if he doesn't want to play a cheating version of poker , he should play live , or sth else , not online poker
Poker Orifice
And Still...
Platinum Level
This ^ is 100% FALSE information!
Most of the players who are winning these days are VERY HARD WORKERS. It takes some serious dedication & drive to succeed in this game.
The good thing is, it is completely dependent upon how much effort you choose to put into it.
The bad thing for most, they will never be willing to do what it takes.
The good thing... this makes it even better for those who are willing to put in the work!
JUST DO IT!