Is using a HUD cheating?

[Emily Trott]

Please don't think that my intent is to cast aspersions on any other member here on Cards Chat, or any players elsewhere.
Until a week or so ago I had no idea what a HUD is, and I got thinking about them and what they do.​

I think that using a HUD while playing online poker is at best unethical, though in my opinion it is probably cheating. One of the rules of poker is that every player plays their own hands, without advice or assistance from any outside source. A Hud is an outside source that gives a player statistics that it has compiled on other players. By doing so it seems to me the rule is being violated. Am I correct or am I missing something?

 

[Rachidao]

Some sites let you use it, but i agree with you, HUD sucks.

 

[Iryna Stryzheuskaya]

If only one player could use the HUD, it wouldn't be fair. But everyone can take advantage of it. Everything is fair. If you don't want to play with HUD, play on sites where they are prohibited. This is your choice.

 

[TeUnit]

If its ok with the sites TOS then its ok.

Or another way to look at it is you are only cheating yourself if you dont use it.

 

[Goggelheimer]

Well a HUD and the underlying database does more or less what your brain could also do in a live event.
It observes peoples play at your table and saves it into it's "brain" the database.
You can watch in every live game what hands players play in which way or position.
You can write that down on a piece of paper and use your "notes" for further action in any further hand you play with these players.
So a HUD is not unethical, if so, you can say your brain(that can do this work also) is unethical and cheating too.

 

[dangbaonguyen93]

I don't think it's cheating, But some platforms have banned it to make the game more fair. You should use it on platforms that allow it.

 

[Andyreas]

No, I do not think that using a HUD is cheating or unethical.

In my opinion, if you pay serious attention to the table and take notes on the other players, you're far ahead of any HUD statistic.

In my opinion, HUDs have been implemented for players who heavily multitable. Since you are playing more tables, you miss out on important details on the tables which you are not looking at. So what a HUD does, is collecting information on the actions of the other players, so you get back some of the information, you'd have lost otherwise.

There are examples where my HUD has misled me on interpreting other players behaviour and instead of helping me, it trapped me.

There are also players who intentionally decide not to use a HUD. If I play on the phone, I also don't have one and it's not an issue for me.

Last but not least, Since there exists free versions of HUD, everyone should be able to use them, if wanted.

 

[LaNimmer]

Please don't think that my intent is to cast aspersions on any other member here on Cards Chat, or any players elsewhere.
Until a week or so ago I had no idea what a HUD is, and I got thinking about them and what they do.​

I think that using a HUD while playing online poker is at best unethical, though in my opinion it is probably cheating. One of the rules of poker is that every player plays their own hands, without advice or assistance from any outside source. A Hud is an outside source that gives a player statistics that it has compiled on other players. By doing so it seems to me the rule is being violated. Am I correct or am I missing something?

I am 100% in agreement with you. It goes against the spirit of poker. Most live casinos won't even allow you an entry chart. I'm not a great poker player, heck I'm probably not a good poker player but all decisions right or wrong are my own.

 

[tagece]

If the room allows its use, the option to use the HUD is personal to each player. There is nothing unethical or cheating in this case. This would only be so if it were a case of unauthorized or clandestine software.

 

[luckyfish98]

or don't play GG poker, everything is allowed there

 

[Andyreas]

or don't play GG poker, everything is allowed there

Nope. It's one of the sites that forbids external HUDs. 🙄

 

[mr.fers_one]

why immediately deception. in person, you also sit at the table and watch the players, you can make notes to yourself. and when you play a lot of tables, the statistics are collected by a machine, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Pokerpoet2]

I have never used a HUD on any site, The reason Why is simple, You cannot use one in a Live game situation, So if you become dependant on a HUD how are you going to play in a live Tournament?
I have looked into trying one on-line but decided that I just don't play the volume of games to justify the expense. There could be some free ones on the Poker scene but, then you have to ask yourself how effective are they? I know that although you don't normally see them on streamers games There are some streamers who use them, they just keep them hidden away from the viewers, But they generally lose as often as I do.
HUDs use the information from the games you play, and only from the players you are up against, Sure they might tell you the probability of winning or losing with certain hands you are playing, but we all know that sometimes even the worse players catch some amazing flops, That's why Poker is so magical and amazing.

 

[yogo9]

No, I do not think that using a HUD is cheating, I have never used a HUD i count only on my brain, But i think platforms should banned it to make the game more fair.

 

[recerveau]

I do not think so. If you don't see your opponents' cards, they're just statistics.

 

[Colbefc]

Of course using a HUD is not cheating, the places you can use them are shrinking all the time
as places like Party, GG Poker etc do not let you use them, but don't for one minute think this is
because they are looking after their customers it is another way of them making even more money.
If you are a rubbish player a HUD will not make you a winning player and visa versa.

 

[Arthurinacio17a]

It is a help tool for those who know how to use it

 

[Ron112355]

Please don't think that my intent is to cast aspersions on any other member here on Cards Chat, or any players elsewhere.
Until a week or so ago I had no idea what a HUD is, and I got thinking about them and what they do.​

I think that using a HUD while playing online poker is at best unethical, though in my opinion it is probably cheating. One of the rules of poker is that every player plays their own hands, without advice or assistance from any outside source. A Hud is an outside source that gives a player statistics that it has compiled on other players. By doing so it seems to me the rule is being violated. Am I correct or am I missing something?

I must be using the wrong HUD because mine never gives me advice
Just so you know that the only stats it collects are at tables where you are playing and the info it collects is available to all players who have the time and patience to review hand histories. So maybe call me lazy, but not a cheat

 

[dreamer13]

Poker is a game of information and the more information we have, the better we can play. But having information is useless until you know how to interpret it correctly.Always try to use different statistics to come up with better lines against different opponents during the game.

 

[Pabloro10321]

It's not fair play, it's taking advantage and I don't think it should be allowed, although many platforms allow it.

 

[Funtast]

No HUD can substitute what good observation skills are capable of. Good Observation skills can otherway around easily substitute a HUD.

Often one good observed Hand gives you more edge than 1000 hands HUD stats.

Imho the biggest weakness of HUD is (correct me if I´m wrong) the missing sizings. Example: There are people raising trash 2x but good stuff 3x. There are people always cbetting 1/3 pot with no and weak holdings, if they have it they go 80-100%. There are people never limping, but limping the aces. Then the issue with overbets, with flop pushes. A hud won´t help there as well. Only observation will give you an edge here.

Therefore I think a HUD is not cheating. Simply not strong enough. RTA is the real deal when it comes to cheating.

 

[Goggelheimer]

No HUD can substitute what good observation skills are capable of. Good Observation skills can otherway around easily substitute a HUD.

Often one good observed Hand gives you more edge than 1000 hands HUD stats.

Imho the biggest weakness of HUD is (correct me if I´m wrong) the missing sizings. Example: There are people raising trash 2x but good stuff 3x. There are people always cbetting 1/3 pot with no and weak holdings, if they have it they go 80-100%. There are people never limping, but limping the aces. Then the issue with overbets, with flop pushes. A hud won´t help there as well. Only observation will give you an edge here.

Therefore I think a HUD is not cheating. Simply not strong enough. RTA is the real deal when it comes to cheating.

H2N has sizing stats as far as I have seen, so you can work on this.

 

[Funtast]

But how to implement the reason behind the sizing in H2N? Like if bet 80% nuts, if bet 50% weak for ex.? That would be great.

 

[Goggelheimer]

But how to implement the reason behind the sizing in H2N? Like if bet 80% nuts, if bet 50% weak for ex.? That would be great.

Not in this thread. Since one of the main goals of H2N (Hand to Note) is making note-taking easier and more effective you can make notes on your main villains that reflect their betting style.
Maybe look in the 2+2 forums that support H2N, PT4 and HM3 perhaps.
And as far as I researched, PT4 can do this too but you have to invest your own work to build those stats.
Google is your friend.

 

[laihuynh]

Currently there are quite a few websites that ban HUD in my opinion it is fraudulent.