Do you trust online poker?

[TpaEnforcement]

Yea ,I trust online poker just don't know what calls are going to be made. I had some friends tell me there are bots for the poker sites. I just play it cause I love poker. Sometimes you win , I won a tournament last time 2 years ago. Took a break and man there are a lot of crazy calls mow a days.

 

[parks124]

It was explained to me that the average online player plays many, many more hands than the average live player during a session, especially if they are multi-tabling. So you will see odd occurrences like this much more often.

I will admit, when it happens to me, it feels like a personal joke is being played on me. I used to be bad with the "what if's" but I simply shake it off and tell myself that everyone at some point goes through this.

 

[parks124]

On the site that I play the algorithm toward the end of a tournament appears to favor the person with the most money.I have not logged the count, but today I lost to a 6-9 offsuit having a pair of Queens. The second time lately I have seen that. The person having the 6-9 had quite a bit more than I. I was faced with having to og all in when the QQ occured. The player called me with the 6-9 o. They won.I lost. Question I have is how did the player accumulate so much more than most, why did they call an All-in with the 6-9 o and illogically a 6 and 9 hit the board.

I have noticed this too. Sometimes the cards will go cold for me during a tournament and my stack dwindles and I'm one of the lowest players at the table. But then I finally hit the AA or KK and I hope that I'll be able to double up. However, the big stack calls me with some worthless hand like 2-7 unsuited and 90-95% of the time the big stack wins and I'm out. I have noticed this same pattern between other low stacks vs big stacks.

Someone who does programming once said that it is impossible to program randomness. So essentially there has to be patterns or something programmed in that would make the game a bit unfair. Like it's choosing the winners and losers. I don't know if this is true, but I suspect it is.

Overall, I don't trust online poker especially with the presence of bots. I just use a little money to play for fun. So I don't worry about it.

 

[TpaEnforcement]

True with bots. Playing online how's seems much harder to win then it was 5 years ago. Also a lot more players play now too then back then.

 

[Jenya Zemlyanukhin]

with the same success can be accused of fraud by the dealer who gives out the cards. There is a possibility that one of the players at the table is a dummy

 

[P86]

yeah absolutetly no trust the amount of bad beats and suck outs is huge specially on pokerstars

 

[Alex Sentsov]

AA is not a 100% win. Therefore, be ready to lose 20-30% of hands.

 

[hugh blair]

Do you trust you will be ok swimming with this remarkable creation of nature I honestly do not know big if or maybe lol

 

[rodrigo1972]

I know that feeling because sometimes you have AA and the villian goes with 72o and he win , but it is variance , I only trust pokerstars 888poker and partypoker

 

[acemenow]

I'mthinkingabout online poker, I'm not going in a round where I'm 2/3 in hand, here comes the card and it appears 3-3-2 and you wonder why I did not play this part? enters for you AA, you bet and think that you will win, your opponent goes with 7/8 and fafaz 2 pairs and wins from you. and so, should I rely on poke online.

I look at it this way - it's purely entertainment online. The reason for me is, I will never deposit a large sum of money to play online. There are too many opportunities for failure. 1) Human error whether poor implementation of the App or bad maintenance and planning for increased demand
2) out right corruption
3) Whatever sw engine or algorithm chosen to determine a random shuffle of cards can be seen suspect to manipulation. Whether true or not
4) even if you get past 1 and 2, are you comfortable putting serious money on the line, you are in a tourney you paid a hefty buyin fee for and you get disconnected because your ISP has an issue.

I am just trying to demonstrate other points of failure that you have little control over.

Having said all that though I believe someone has to win and someone has to lose and I find it difficult to believe the software is so advanced that it targets individual players. just my opinion

Another thing I noticed is that when you are short on chips, you can make a great game, but that player will appear with a large chip and he always makes a better game than yours, and as if he was really made to take you play.

There are plenty of scenarios where this looks like its just as you described, however personally I tend to think that online we are prone to play more loosely and windup in situations we wouldn't run into on a live table.

ex. player a joined a mtt microstakes but he isn't realy planning on playing the whole game because he has a date in 40 minutes but he is board and wants to work on his game and try some strategy that is counter to his normal play.



just my current perspective
Good luck whatever your decision

 

[radartodd69]

I see the same type of suckouts in live poker as well as online. So I tend to believe that online rngs are in fact random although when you're running bad it really seems like it's not random. Good bankroll management can help mitigate for some of the variance you will experience in a given game.

 

[XYZ2123]

Reading through this thread since the last time I posted in it, people have made variants of the following statements about online MTT play:

1) The chip leader always wins no matter what he has.
2) The short stack always sucks out and doubles up.
3) Big pairs are always busted by crap hands.

Really?? ALWAYS??

I think in online poker, especially in freerolls and smaller stake tourneys, we have to accept some facts:
1) Online MTT's are much faster than live and there is much more blind pressure to build up stacks, so people play many more hands more aggressively.
2) Many players just suck and will play anything.
3) Online is different than playing live. People take their decisions much less seriously and tend to play much more loose and aggressive. They're not sitting at an actual table with actual people, with actual chips/money in front of them. Even though its real money at stake, some people just don't think about that way and are much more prone to blast away.
4) And in poker in general, sometimes we just can't fold big hands when we know we're beat, and sometimes, even when we play a hand correctly we still lose. Its just part of the game.

For example, this morning, I busted out of the TDD Sunday Remedy Freebuy on ACR. I had AA and villain had 45s. Stacks were about even (50bb each). I raised preflop. He called. Flop came K55 (perfect flop to mask his 5). I C-Bet, he called. I thought he must have a Kx or a smaller pair. He could have a 5 but with two 5's out, odds not likely. So, I bet the turn, he called. I was all-in on the river, he called, I lost.

If I wanted to make the money (only top 10 paid with about 350 runners left) I had to keep building my stack.

Was I wrong to play my AA aggressively on that board? Maybe yes maybe no.
Do I suck at poker and need improvement? Probably.
Was I pissed about it? YES.
Was it rigged against me? NO.
He still had a 20% chance against my AA preflop. That's just the way it is.

 

[freestocks]

Trust? Well. I don't trust much. I try to understand it for what it is.

After they've sent a check and it cleared, I feel some trust and satisfaction.

 

[Ivan Basic]

of course not.

Thus I rarely deposit, i only withdraw

 

[pirateglenn]

I do trust Pokerstars and especially after the events of black Friday with full tilt, i think online poker is under the utmost scrutiny now, The systems have to be inspected, reports and observations completed, tests are so stringent. I often hear queries about the random number generator..Lee Jones did a good feature earlier this year about the level of integrity of pokerstars and world leading technology in server development and security.
I feel safe..so lets shuffle up and play some cards!

Regards

pirateglenn

 

[canabero]

you can trust or not. but if you talk about your money is your responsability to risk a suitable ammount in any poker room. nothing is 100% trustable nowadays but you need to act smart.

 

[lordsherman]

I trust some places to play online. There are also some sites that I wouldn't even trust giving them my email.

 

[titiduru]

I'm thinking about online poker, I'm not going in a round where I'm 2/3 in hand, here comes the card and it appears 3-3-2 and you wonder why I did not play this part? enters for you AA, you bet and think that you will win, your opponent goes with 7/8 and fafaz 2 pairs and wins from you. and so, should I rely on poke online.

So the opponent with 7/8 must have some nefarious connections with the online poker software engineers, otherwise how would you explain the situation, other then variance? And since you are an active member of CC, I assume you are playing small stakes tables and small buy-in tournaments, so think of one reason a person with such a power in his hands would play for little money and not for the highest stakes possible. I can't think of any reason myself.

 

[Justin Bloomquist]

I don't trust it personally. I just play freerolls and won't deposit any real money on line

 

[AlbieTross]

For the most part yes, but some sites I get very suspicious about.

 

[leogetz79]

if im going to be honest. i dont trust it. same reasons you described. that is why i wont play real money online. only live. thanks to cardchat we can play the freerolls

 

[Smokewood]

I trust the software, i do not trust the people.
What keeps me and 4 of my friends from getting on the same table and telling each other our cards?

I only play live poker now.

 

[melodyman169]

I live in Belarus. There are a very little number of poker events and it's really hard to play live poker.
I have no choice trust or no trust online poker. It is sad, but this is life

 

[sandydiego]

I don't see why not -- if rigging is an issue, basically you're dealing with similar risks when playing live poker so it's more of a matter of how prepared you are to handle these risks, online or otherwise. Of course a healthy dose of skepticism won't hurt either.

 

[ritehere]

I have to admit that I don't totally trust online gaming. But I don't totally trust any gaming when it is against a machine and not against live people. But online does pass the time with a very minimal investment. Those player that put a large bankroll in chance online are fools. Not saying that the site don't pay off just saying it is stupid to play big money against a machine.