Lucho.riv9
Rock Star
Platinum Level
It clearly depends a lot on the situation. If I'm desperate because I'm short on chips, I wouldn't fold any of those hands. However, if I'm in a good position, I might fold JJ and QQ against someone with a stack similar to mine. During the bubble, you play a lot with ICM, and I could even fold KK in that situation if I've already made it to the money without doing anything, and losing that all-in could leave me in a tough spot. However, I would never fold AA pre-flop; I'll always be ahead with that hand, and even though I might lose 18% of the time, it's still the correct play.
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
There might be some rare cases when it's the correct play to even fold AA on the bubble:
In a satellite, if a big stack who has you covered jammed preflop and you do not gain anything more with the additional potential chips to be won but loose the payout/ticket in case you loose the hand.
john_entony
Legend
Platinum Level
I always call with these hands. I fold only “1010” and “JJ” and only in situations where 3 or more players play against me all-in with a stack higher than mine.
dannystanks
Rock Star
Silver Level
Folding JJ+ on the bubble is playing super tight. So basically you are folding 100% of hands no matter what on the bubble. If your motivation is to just cash, then I can see someone doing this.
But I’m never going to do that with these hands, they are way too strong and if we want to win we have to fight. If we are short stacked then this is the hand you need for a double, bubble or not. If you have a big stack we should be using it against all the Nits in this bubble situation and if we have one of these hands, when the Nits does decide to call, we will be ahead most of the time.
If we loose on the bubble with one of these hands who cares, it’s poker and it’s part of the game we must accept otherwise you will try to play too perfect and your chips just get blinded out.
These are strong hands and they deserve a nice big pot so go for it.
But I’m never going to do that with these hands, they are way too strong and if we want to win we have to fight. If we are short stacked then this is the hand you need for a double, bubble or not. If you have a big stack we should be using it against all the Nits in this bubble situation and if we have one of these hands, when the Nits does decide to call, we will be ahead most of the time.
If we loose on the bubble with one of these hands who cares, it’s poker and it’s part of the game we must accept otherwise you will try to play too perfect and your chips just get blinded out.
These are strong hands and they deserve a nice big pot so go for it.
amonlima
Rock Star
Platinum Level
It will always depend on the situation my friend, if there are several people short with less than 5bbs, it is better to wait for the bubble to burst or get a payjump, AA,KK it will never be bad to pay, however, it will also be good in very specific situations, that being said, you He can also put a lot of pressure on his opponents in these scenarios, but you have to pay attention to whether he is a good player to know how to fold hands that he should fold... because there is no point in playing aggressive vs. a look.
luckyfish98
Legend
Platinum Level
I agree that any money gained is worth more than a nice loss on the bubble with JJ+
I agree that any money gained is worth more than losing bravs on the bubble with JJ+
I agree that any money gained is more valuable than boldly losing on the bubble with JJ+
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C
Cooking
Legend
Loyaler
I would never fold an AA pre flop, because it's the best hand and you can't play with fear of losing if you want to win in my opinion, even on the bubble. KK depending of the situation I can think about folding, but also very difficult for me to do. QQ and JJ I can easily fold depending of the situation.
W
WellAA
Visionary
Platinum Level
on the bubble for a satellite ticket, when You already have the necessary chips, why bother to call? Otherwise AA it's a must call hand situation, or maybe You want the buy-in back so badly, Everyone knows where the shoe pinches.
amonlima
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Exactly my friend, in situations where we have a short stack and we are in a payjump or bubble situation, it is more important to grab the prize pool than to double our chips.
Flyer35
Legend
Platinum Level
I guess you guys are defaulting to a shove pre-flop type of strategy? That rarely happens at the bubble. And it's usually going to be either the guy holding the Aces or the short stack. So fold to the first and play against the second.
In other situations we all know that we're playing these hands pretty much all the time.
In other situations we all know that we're playing these hands pretty much all the time.
pep12343
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Your question must be formulated in a specific way in order to be answered. However, I can say the following:
AA: The only way to fold it correctly is when you play satellite tournaments where the entry that the first and the last placed in positions will win is of equal value, and we take into account that by folding you will reach the prize named above. Otherwise, folding AA is the worst decision you'll ever make preflop, we're all invaded by the thought of “I'm sure he gave me AA to lose, everything is manipulated”. But with that thought you should walk away if you're not willing to call on the best hand of all.
Leaving that aside, there is the possibility of folding hands like KK QQ if you detect that an opponent has AA, otherwise you will find a great coolers or a great bad beat.
I recently saw a hand that I can't remember who was playing, where there were a lot of preflop ups and downs, which led to both KK and QQ deciding to fold and AA taking their pot without even being able to play the flop.
AA: The only way to fold it correctly is when you play satellite tournaments where the entry that the first and the last placed in positions will win is of equal value, and we take into account that by folding you will reach the prize named above. Otherwise, folding AA is the worst decision you'll ever make preflop, we're all invaded by the thought of “I'm sure he gave me AA to lose, everything is manipulated”. But with that thought you should walk away if you're not willing to call on the best hand of all.
Leaving that aside, there is the possibility of folding hands like KK QQ if you detect that an opponent has AA, otherwise you will find a great coolers or a great bad beat.
I recently saw a hand that I can't remember who was playing, where there were a lot of preflop ups and downs, which led to both KK and QQ deciding to fold and AA taking their pot without even being able to play the flop.
luckyfish98
Legend
Platinum Level
but in poker quite often someone get a better hand than a pair and you think it's worth taking a risk on the bubble with AA when you've paid, say, $1,000 for the tournament
at least 50% of the time I get busted on the bubble with a better hand just because I'm thinking about the final and then regretting my mistake
if the game is only for 1 to 20 dollars - of course, never fold AA(or KK,QQ maybe even JJ)
it all depends on the value
but my main question is about KK,QQ and JJ
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BelFish
Legend
Loyaler
Everything said above is true about satellites - sometimes it is more profitable to fold AA in them, if it is already clear that even in sit-out mode we will get a ticket.
Sometimes, when the bankroll is small or nonexistent, then when playing with a ticket to an expensive tournament, you can also fold AA on the bubble if your goal is to get a bankroll as quickly as possible and start playing. That is, then some players will prefer not to take risks in such a situation...
Sometimes, when the bankroll is small or nonexistent, then when playing with a ticket to an expensive tournament, you can also fold AA on the bubble if your goal is to get a bankroll as quickly as possible and start playing. That is, then some players will prefer not to take risks in such a situation...
luckyfish98
Legend
Platinum Level
but what about KK QQ JJIn my opinion when you fold AA preflop - give up with poker
hardongear
Visionary
Silver Level
In sat I have folded all them even AA. Once I know I have the ticket/seat locked up I typically just sit out and I'm not even watching.
In a normal and Bounty MTT I've folded JJ, QQ and even KK. Most times it's been at the final table. Only a very few times I've folded KK. Every time I've folded(showed) KK I've been right in folding as villain showed AA each time.
I mean what else can you do when with those hands when the tightest nit at the table with a VPIP of under 10(who never 3 bets)......3 bets me(with my VPIP of under 20)? Let's think about it. Villain isn't 3 betting me with JJ, QQ or likely even KK. Tight nits loathe 3 betting and aren't 3 betting a TAG player with a VPIP under 20 without AA. Even with KK the tightest nit is just gonna call my raise with KK and under. So the only hand he can have is AA.
I'd be huge moron to run my JJ, QQ and KK into AA knowing and being 110% sure he has it.
Cheers!!!
In a normal and Bounty MTT I've folded JJ, QQ and even KK. Most times it's been at the final table. Only a very few times I've folded KK. Every time I've folded(showed) KK I've been right in folding as villain showed AA each time.
I mean what else can you do when with those hands when the tightest nit at the table with a VPIP of under 10(who never 3 bets)......3 bets me(with my VPIP of under 20)? Let's think about it. Villain isn't 3 betting me with JJ, QQ or likely even KK. Tight nits loathe 3 betting and aren't 3 betting a TAG player with a VPIP under 20 without AA. Even with KK the tightest nit is just gonna call my raise with KK and under. So the only hand he can have is AA.
I'd be huge moron to run my JJ, QQ and KK into AA knowing and being 110% sure he has it.
Cheers!!!