Oranaro
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Nice cat! Actually it's one on the first concepts I got into while playing poker, calculating the varience too, which makes cash games with lower one because of the 10% to 20% winpool in tournaments, but words aside, concerning the odds and the ev I find in more important at flop and turn. The river is a little tricky, as villain would bet the way you get odds to call, so you do when he is stronger. That's why combining ranges and odds is morelikely to get some profitable outcome on the long term, but still very tricky. What do you think?
C
Chase
Rock Star
Silver Level
I can't believe this lesson actually made sense to me. Maybe there is hope for me in poker after all. Like Oranaro said above, combining ranges and odds seems more likely to lead to a profitable outcome. I'll take that one step further and add in aggressive play. Can't forget fold equity after all.
I'm loving this course and still hanging in there. I think I'll go take an aspirin and move on to the next lesson. I have the whole day off with nothing else to do.
I'm loving this course and still hanging in there. I think I'll go take an aspirin and move on to the next lesson. I have the whole day off with nothing else to do.
M1n1GuN777
Enthusiast
Bronze Level
Now I'm even more confused. This is certainly a very valuable lesson, and thank you for that. But now I look at every raise with a grain of skepticism, and the equity calculation drives me crazy after 20 minutes of playing. For the first time, I will train better at Spin&Go.
christovam
Visionary
Platinum Level
This is a very complicated subject, because at the time of the game it is difficult to calculate.This is the last of the fundamental concepts you need to have a good understanding of before delving into strategy.
On day 5 Collin will help you calculate pot odds and will explain expected value.
If you have not yet read Day 5 and watched the video for Day 5 - take a few minutes now to do that and then come back here to discuss it:
Understanding Pot Odds and Expected Value
How did you do on the quiz? Hopefully now you have a better understanding of these 2 concepts - but if you have questions you are in the right place to ask them! Collin and Katie will be checking this thread to answer them and discuss these topics further with you.
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
The calculation is correct and you have to compare the pot odds with your (expected) probability of winning the hand.
This is especially true with draw hands: one remaining card to a flush or straight.
But in the next course you'll find a great table with connecting the two.
So for now, you just have to understand the concept.
Gutshot Gus
Legend
Platinum Level
I enjoyed this much better than the equity lesson on day 4. This is simple math stuff that clicks instantly in my head.
Maybe I will go back to lesson 4 and try to show more interest than I did the first time.
Maybe I will go back to lesson 4 and try to show more interest than I did the first time.
Eduard0Felipe
Visionary
Bronze Level
I started playing poker many years ago, but only recently have I become aware of a lot of things, almost everything actually, thinking long term, the odds, ranges, wow, I really could say that I discovered poker recently, it all started by seeing some reviews on youtube, now a great course like this one, after that, several others, for sure, because to improve we need to be in constant study, always with a lot of dedication, so once again I thank you all for this wonderful community!
The power of position, The benefits of aggression, Thinking in ranges, The two types of equity and Understanding pot ods and expected value, all fundamental concepts for a profitable poker player and all very well covered. Strategy now then? Come on!
05/30.
The power of position, The benefits of aggression, Thinking in ranges, The two types of equity and Understanding pot ods and expected value, all fundamental concepts for a profitable poker player and all very well covered. Strategy now then? Come on!
05/30.
Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
Pot oddsThis is the last of the fundamental concepts you need to have a good understanding of before delving into strategy.
On day 5 Collin will help you calculate pot odds and will explain expected value.
If you have not yet read Day 5 and watched the video for Day 5 - take a few minutes now to do that and then come back here to discuss it:
Understanding Pot Odds and Expected Value
How did you do on the quiz? Hopefully now you have a better understanding of these 2 concepts - but if you have questions you are in the right place to ask them! Collin and Katie will be checking this thread to answer them and discuss these topics further with you.
How much do we need to earn for our call to be profitable. We must know the equity of the hand and know the pot odds to know if the call is profitable. If the player bets 100% of the pot I have to win 33% of the times to my call be profitable. If it bets 50% of the pot I have to win 25% of the times.
How to calculate pot odds: The rule 4-2:
“The 4-2 Rule is a way to turn the number of drawing outs you have into your odds of hitting them. It's times 4 on the flop to hit on the turn or river, and times 2 on the turn to hit your draw on the river.”
If I have 10 outs from the flop to the turn the probability will be around 20% sometimes. I go all in with a flush draw on the flop, usually 9 outs and it will hit the turn and river 9 x 4 = 36% equity for the river. On the turn x 2 On the Flop x 4
How to calculate pot odds:
CALL VALUE / (CALL VALUE + POT + BET) = POT ODDS Calling: Call value / (Call value + Pot + Bet)
150% - 37.5% (150% the value of the pot)
100% - 33% (100% the value of the pot)
75% - 30%
50% - 25%
33% - 20%
Attacking: Bet / (Bet + Pot) Fold Frequency 150% - 66%
100% - 50%
75% - 43%
50% - 33%
33% - 25%
Percentage of times we have to steal a pot for our bet be profitable:
When we are attacking and bet the pot size, what percentage of times villain has to fold to our bet be profitable? Considering that EVERY TIME he calls I'm losing the hand. Fold frequency: Bet / (Bet + pot) Let's say I'm bluffing the river and I bet 100 blinds into a 100 blinds pot? How many percent does villain have to fold for our bet to be profitable?
Bet = 100 Bet = 100 Pot = 100 * 100 / 200 =50% (100 * 100 = 10000 / 200 = 50)
I have to steal the pot 50% of the times to be profitable.
A real out and a false out:
A real out is when we are absolutely sure that that out will give us the best hand QsJs, flop KhTs3d if it hits an Ad or if it hits a 9c I have the nuts. However, if you hit a 9h or an Ah we won't always have the best hand, as we could be losing to a flush.
Implied odds:
Question of real outs and false outs. Many times we hit our outs the chance of losing an even bigger pot is when you get reverse implied pot odds. Example KcQc on the BTN, the MP raised and the BTN called. And sB, who is a weak player, made a small squeeze. MP paid and BTN has very good pot odds to be looking for a very strong hand. Pot odds of 20% here. This hand's equity against opponents' range is not 20% equity the chance of the SB having an AA, QQ, KK is very big.
Implied Pot Odds:
How much will I win when I hit and how much will I lose when I lose the pot Would call with any hand, any suited hand he was calling, if he had an off suited connector would not be good for BTN to call the MWP squeeze with sB and MP. Calling almost exclusively for the flush draw. The flop comes TcJd5h and the SB bets the pot. and BTN has pot odds of 33% and has 15 outs. We have 30% equity, and SB villain has a 150BB stack. Implicit pot odds means that the times we hit our combo there are more chips/blinds to be won considering the stack size of the SB villain. It has only 8 outs and the possibility of a back door flush draw. Will hit the turn 18% of the times.
When BTN hits this 18% he will win a lot of chips against a weak player. Before, BTN was paying $18 dollars to chase a pot of 150 Now he is paying $ 52 to get the maximum of $ 96 that villain SB has behind him. In this case, it's a pretty easy fold, unless villain had another $ 200 behind it In the aforementioned case, a 6h hits and the villain bets $ 52 in a pot of $ 55.
Gdefender
Rock Star
Platinum Level
Hello! I would write this post for those who don't read the tutorial, but look at the forum comments. I only describe the most important things, which are the lessons of the introductory chapter!
Chapter 5
(Understanding Pot Odds And expected value)
In this chapter, we need to know the probability of the cards in the hand, the amount given by our opponent, and the chances of the cards on the table, based on which we consider what we (safely)
odds can be given. The odds therefore allow us to learn about the profitability of placing in the long term, taking into account the size of the current pot and the size of the next bet.
Chapter 5
(Understanding Pot Odds And expected value)
In this chapter, we need to know the probability of the cards in the hand, the amount given by our opponent, and the chances of the cards on the table, based on which we consider what we (safely)
odds can be given. The odds therefore allow us to learn about the profitability of placing in the long term, taking into account the size of the current pot and the size of the next bet.
ENRIQUE23977
Rock Star
Bronze Level
1) What are the pot odds in the table?
have:
(P) Pot= 555
(B) Villain Bet = 375
(C) Call our = 375
Pot odds=(P+B)/C
(555+375)/75 =2.48
Pot Odd= 2.5-1
2) What percentage of times do you have to be correct to call on this bet?
To do this we need to add all the pot odds to get the total and then take our odd and divide it by the total, like this:
Call%=1/(2.5+1)=0.286
rounding off
29% approximately.
3) Do you think the Hero should call?
In this table the Hero should call because Villain entered limping in the small blind completing and not raising and on the flop he checks and raises a blind on the turn, he does not have many hands in his range and with two pairs on the board and an Ace in hand he Hero can pay by winning 29% of the time.
I have a question:
Is it possible to calculate all this quickly playing online poker in certain circumstances, since the response time must be short?
have:
(P) Pot= 555
(B) Villain Bet = 375
(C) Call our = 375
Pot odds=(P+B)/C
(555+375)/75 =2.48
Pot Odd= 2.5-1
2) What percentage of times do you have to be correct to call on this bet?
To do this we need to add all the pot odds to get the total and then take our odd and divide it by the total, like this:
Call%=1/(2.5+1)=0.286
rounding off
29% approximately.
3) Do you think the Hero should call?
In this table the Hero should call because Villain entered limping in the small blind completing and not raising and on the flop he checks and raises a blind on the turn, he does not have many hands in his range and with two pairs on the board and an Ace in hand he Hero can pay by winning 29% of the time.
I have a question:
Is it possible to calculate all this quickly playing online poker in certain circumstances, since the response time must be short?
Tero
Legend
Loyaler
It's hard. I give you that.I have a question:
Is it possible to calculate all this quickly playing online poker in certain circumstances, since the response time must be short?
It takes a looooong time and practice for all these things to come together. Have I mastered them? NOPE.
There are Apps ( like Poker Trainer) to help you train these in your head.
Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
I had exactly the same problem.Is it possible to calculate all this quickly playing online poker in certain circumstances, since the response time must be short?
That's why I converted the odds to pot sizes and am able to memorize this a little better. See here:
Pot bet sizes and draws
Hi forum, I am not yet too quick in calculating Pot Odds in real time, so I tried to make a table / list for me with max bet sizes I can call with the respective draw. I thought I'd share with the forum and also any feedback/corrections appreciated. Draw Type #Outs %Win Pot Odds Max bet...
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