Do poker skills come naturally?

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Is it possible to learn to be a top poker player, or is it more like playing a musical instrument, playing snooker, etc.?
Do you have to be born with a latent talent to become a really good poker player?

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Is it possible to learn to be a top poker player, or is it more like playing a musical instrument, playing snooker, etc.?
Do you have to be born with a latent talent to become a really good poker player?

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Any business requires talent. Including poker. Only with talent, skills and extensive experience can you become a TOP player.
 
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It is with all things that humans do, it is a mixture of talent and training.

If your heart (talent) is not with the things you want to achieve,
you will never achieve the best results,
regardless how much effort you put into this.
You need at least some basic talents.
First but not last good learning skills, which has to be trained.
 
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Poker skills can for sure have a natural element, like for example intuition or mathematical ability. But they are primarily developed through practice, study, and experience. Many profitable players analyze hands, learn strategies, and adapt their playstyle over time. So while some aspects may come naturally, improvement generally requires a lot of dedication and effort.
 
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I am sure that there is a little of both involved, But the study of Human Nature and of course Mathematics goes a long way in improving your skills, Being able to pick up on little mannerisms that players show when they are lying, helps to spot bluff's. I remember one particular hand where a player raised myself and another player pre-flop and continued with the aggression all the way through the hand, even down to the River when there was 4 spades on the table.
I didn't have a Spade but did hit 2 pair on the flop and went along with the bets hoping to hit a Full House after checking and calling bets during the hand, I spotted something in his eyes that just didn't sit right with me and with the other player folding I decided I had to call his final River bet. My intuition proved to be correct and I took the pot down with 2 pair, the player who folded actually had the 2 of Spades and would have won had he called instead of folding and was sickened by what he witnessed.
Was this a Skill or just the 60 odd years I have been around people?
Being good at Maths goes a long way as well, being able to see a flop and instantly call out to yourself how many outs you have left is crucial in continuing in the hand, there is only one option left if you intend to stick around and fight it out to the end and miss every possible out, and that is to Bluff! but remember there are others that can pick up body Language as good or even better than yourself.
Nature or Nurture? Is an age old question, I believe it to be a little of both.
 
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In my opinion, there are two ways: those who are born with a talent for this, but others acquire the skill through studies, training, and practice.
 
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Basically, if it is a talent born to each individual, then over time other things are learned.
 
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Just for me, we learned to play poker when we started & then play to improve our poker skills. We can become good players, but only the lucky & disciplined will be top players. Most good players will not be lucky & without discipline would be loosing players in the long term.

Unlike "being born" with a talent in singing, playing instruments, in sports, etc where they surely become the best in their fields; in poker, you're not sure if you will have a lucky day.
 
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maybe the maths side of things, but in general no
 
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There have been many examples in History of players from absolutely nowhere who made it big in the poker world - some were late starters, take for instance, Chris Moneymaker - who only took up playing cards after college and was an accountant beforehand, i do think for some, poker skills can be a natural talent, i think it certainly helps to have some good solid understanding of maths but its not essential, if you expose yourself to playing at a certain level, i believe over time - you learn.
I have seen it here at CC with novice players without a clue (their honest words, not mine) get better and better so it can also be a learnt process.

So to answer the question yes - Poker can come naturally to some and for others less so or it is an accumulation of a skillbase built over time.
 
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I believe you can reach a certain standard of poker just by simply participating we would learn and adapt over time.

But i think those with a strong mathematical and analytical talents would be able to become a top player more easily.

Also training providers the chance for all to become better some will be faster at learning and have success quicker then others.
 
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To be really good at something you must have both the right genes and a good environment or more specifically and politically correct: both the talent and the right training.

If we are talking just good enough to beat the game at low levels you obviously just have to have average strategic skills and or some training/practice.

But you can almost never take anyone with a very low IQ and make them a total crusher in poker no matter how good training they get.

That is just the hard facts of any intellectual activity.
 
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I don't believe that anyone can achieve some level of proficiency on anything without studying. How to define study? Well, it does not necessarily need to be studying a course, or a book, or a series of videos.

I would come back in history and analyze the first players and the first theory produced by names like Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, David Sklansky, Ray Zee, Mike Caro, Mason Malmuth, Ed Miller, Dan Harrington and many others. How did they achieve poker success? They did a lot of manual work, trying to analyze combinatorics, mathematics and probabilities. They did a lot of trial and error, in a repeated process, over and over, improving the previous results. This is studying. Many of them were sharp and smart people before coming to poker. Great books of the past (specially in mixed games) are still worthy of our attention, because their work was superb.

The next generation was based on these works. No one can ever say that Phil Ivey has a natural talent. Nobody knows for sure how many time he dedicated in his young to get to his level. It does not matter if he acquired knowledge talking to people and playing. He surely analyzed thousands of hands, played millions of hands, talked to the best and learned from someone, at least to get to a point where he could do the work on his own. That's what the best players do. The story is old, "the student eventually surpasses his master."

I believe that even the best players, at some moment had to sit down and patiently study, even if they had to figure out many things by themselves. But everyone has to start at some point learning from someone (the only exception are the first theory producers, who had to work the starting point by themselves).
 
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I think it's probably like most things. To be really good you probably need talent and practice. Hitting the books can make up for some lack of natural talent. However, probably will never be as good as someone with talent and a lot of experience.
 
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I think that natural talent can give you a good tool box to start with.
You have to study and put the work in for the tools to put in that box.
Talent is a nice thing to have, but on it's own without the work it will only take you so far.
 
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I think poker comes more naturally to some than others.

Some people unknowingly cultivate poker applicable skills through their profession.

Professions that deal with finance, math, and psychology foster skills that are useful in poker.
 
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Do you have to be born with a latent talent to become a really good poker player?
I believe that in the case of poker, you don't need to be born with talent. I see poker as a profession. If you invest in studying and knowledge, you will have a great chance of becoming a profitable professional.

But like any profession, you can't stop studying, because poker is evolving every day, new strategies are emerging, and if you stand still thinking that you already know everything, you will inevitably suffer the consequences.
 
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I wouldn't say born with the talent, but I think its a lot to do with the background your born into.
My parents used to play cards, and I grew up in that atmosphere seeing games being played.
So I was also interested, and hence started playing at a very young age.
I can say my journey started from before I was born.
Playing professional poker needs a lot of training like any other sport
for me playing poker is an hobby and not a source of income.
I enjoy the game as I would any other sport.
So bottom line every player has different views and styles and reasons of playing poker
My reason is Passion:love::ROFLMAO::cool::)
 
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In any field, talent is more than important. When combined with some training, it could bring results on a professional level. But I think the same results could be reached with some talent and a lot of training.
 
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I would say to be good at Mathematics is a talent, so the mathematical aspect of poker is the talent which is to be able to calculate equity and odds. But the luck factor is not a talent and you cant train to be good at luck, atleast you may recognize when you are lucky. Since poker at a high level consists of mord skill than luck, we may say if you have masteres the skill part you are talented.
 
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Is it possible to learn to be a top poker player, or is it more like playing a musical instrument, playing snooker, etc.?
Do you have to be born with a latent talent to become a really good poker player?

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Humans are capable of anything... Both positive and negative.

We can learn to do anything we want as long as we have dedication.

Of course, in poker there are other factors besides skill, but we know that in the long run this will come true.

I really think that some people have more aptitude for some areas than others, but in general... I don't really believe in talent, but rather in dedication and trying...

Like in the case you mentioned about playing the guitar... It's not a gift, but rather an attempt!

When we see someone who plays incredibly well, we think it's a gift, perhaps because we don't look at everything they went through to get there.
 
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Is it possible to learn to be a top poker player...
Of course it is.
None of the skills needed in poker are rocket science. An average person can learn all there is to learn to win in poker. Leave out all excuses, and practice continuously. And with luck being part of the mix - well anything is possible.

But we humans are masters in creating limitations to ourselves.
So you didn't start practicing violin at the age of four? Now you're ten and they tell you that ship has sailed. Such limiting beliefs...
 
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I believe that both natural talent and discipline and effort have a limit to how far they can go. From this point on, you can only evolve one if you have the support of the other.
However, if I had to choose just one of the two, I would choose discipline/effort because I believe I could go further than with natural talent.
 
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I would say some people have a "natural talent" for poker. I mean when you are good in mathematics for example, it's easier for you to calculate odds.
But, as in a lot of activities, talent is important but not sufficient to be the very best.
You need to work and train hard to improve your game.
 
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I think that what can really be taught is in the theoretical part, but what comes with each person, related to motivation, resilience, preparation for countless frustrations, cannot be passed on.
And personally, I see financial power as something very influential in poker, despite not being talked about much. Financial losses cannot be compared between individuals from different social classes.
This social difference ends up influencing even certain decisions, depending on the buy-in value and the bankroll.
 
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