More than you'd think, and for different reasons too. Also, as you may know, toward the end of the free rolls, the real players start to come out. I frequent free rolls and often make it to that point. My style holds up just fine against them. I only lose due to horrible luck (turns & rivers have it out for me in a baaaad way).
Wow, and you hold your own with sharks and pros? You talk of how the pros don't use programs, how many pros (or even sharks) have you played with in
freerolls. I'm sorry but the best freeroll players are still freeroll players.
So, you needed to sit down, and compute your previous hands in order to become a decent player? You had to rely on a program to do that for you? You couldn't over time, like a true player (IMO), figure this out for YOURSELF?
Right, because over time you just figure out how to compute all those combinations. Of course I could by hand, but I could also numerically compute complex differential equations by hand as well, but yet in the class I'm taking we're using calculators and software that implement the algorithms we learn.
And this isn't baseball, but just so you know, your quote is irrelevant. Why? Well, you know hitting off a tee (analyzing your swing) Is different from going into a lab, swinging (analyzing), and having computers tell you whats wrong with your swing and how to correct it. However, that is exactly what you are doing as a poker player by using these programs. Taking the easy, lazy way out. If you don't see that, thats ignorance.
LAZY? It's extra work. What are you doing that I'm not by using a program like this? You don't know the answer to the question, I've gone the extra mile to figure it out. Answer Chuck's problem without using a program if you're not lazy.
Oh, and guess what? When professional baseball players swing, they not only have "computers" videotaping every swing, but they also have individual hitting coaches to help them. They can't handle it on their own? And these hitting coaches do use software (I worked at an indoor facility that had this equipment over the summer) to look at bat angle, timing, etc.
You thought wrong. Tell me, do you think most of todays (you can even include yesterdays) successful poker players have/had these programs to use? If so, how many of them do you think use/used them?
I don't know for sure, but I'd guess a lot do. Obviously I'm not a first name basis with many of them so I don't have private cell numbers to ask or anything.
Now, out of the remainder of players (who don't use them), how many are still successful without these programs? Of course these are all assumptions (I feel they are logical ones because I'm sure they have a natural ability for the game[as I know I do, but not on their level yet]), but it doesn't seem like their being passed by to me.
You don't need this knowledge to be successful. It does help your game. Take it or leave it. It doesn't replace anything either, so it's not being lazy. If I were using this program INSTEAD of doing something maybe I'd be lazy. But I'm using things like this IN ADDITION to EVERYTHING YOU ALREADY DO.
Neither will I, but if you need something like this to aid your play, I can't say the same will apply to you. Technology can't solve all of our problems...it definitely shouldn't anyway.
Need? Aid? I don't need it, I've done fine before this was released, but it can't hurt. You keep acting as if it replaces something and thus I will get lazy. I didn't routinely calculate the combination of set hands, flush hands, and use the weighted averages to come up with the best play. So I'm going to be doing everything I did before, only I'll have an additional tool to use. It's extra work, now explain how that's laziness.
