Jagsti
I'm sweet enough!
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dude ur in kenya?
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switch0723
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flopping the only possible straight oop in a 3bet pot on the same board where villain hits 2 pair and has his hand disguised when you have no real 2 pair combo's in your range, 200bb deep = running good. What other boards do you get all the chips in ahead on?
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eNTy
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nah dude
i just drank POWERTHRIST which makes me run as fast as KENYANS against actual KENYANS and then there was a tie and i got deported to KENYA
Jagsti
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Thought you were talking about me being at 200bb's.
Anyways, I was ahead of him pf
, flopped the nuts, had draws to the nuts, he wins = I run SHIT!
BelgoSuisse
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yeah, at 1/2. 10 buy-ins.
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yeah, i really hate > -5 BI sessions at 1/2 because it's kinda lots of money, and because there are so many nitty regs there who keep winning (obviously at a lower rate) that never have to go thru having a -10 BI session
sux but u'll bounce back!
how's your month been going, etc?
kleitches
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Really? He opened in the CO so his range is going to be pretty wide, so though AA/KK can certainly be in his range, it's definitely at the top. Is it really likely in villian's eyes that he's flatting a 3-bet pf with those hands and waiting until turn to shove in his stack? The only straight combos that exist are 78, 47, and 42, and if I were villian I just don't think he has these combos of hands. To be honest this looks more like a flush draw that's trying to buy the pot and if I had an overpair I'd probably snap call this.
S93
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If hero has a draw there he is probably raising the flop c-bet,right?
When he flatts the c-bet he is repping air thats floating and monsters imo.
Our am i way of?
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he certainly can have 87, he can have any set, he can have two pairs like 96, 65, and he can certainly have AA, KK. (and he's waiting til the turn to shove in his stack with these hands in case villain has something like AK and wants to barrel again, nothing wrong with doing that in a pot that's already big on the flop)
jay's putting in his stack on the tur. putting him on a flush draw or a one pair hand that an overpair such as QQ beats seems kinda wrong.
flush draws raise the flop (because they have lots of equity) usually, so you're basically saying villain is gonna think jay peeled a 3bet, a flop bet, and jammed with marginal holdings over a pretty big turn bet? i just don't see it.
The Shrog
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Earlier today, my brother is talking about how he can't get wireless in his room from our router and he's going to move some stuff around...
I'm about to teach a lesson and the Time Warner guy shows up, knocks on the door, and says "I'm gonna start outside." I ask, "What are you doing?" He replies, "I heard your cable isn't working."
So I'm like ok, bro called the company and he's here to fix it. Well the guy leaves after like a half hour and our internet is COMPLETELY out. My dad gets home and has tons of work to do and we both start callin out my brother for calling the company and not checking to make sure everything works before the guy left. He responds, "I didn't call the company..."
So, turns out, the Time Warner guy was supposed to be at our neighbors, where the internet was actually down and came to our house instead...broke it all, then just left.
I'm about to teach a lesson and the Time Warner guy shows up, knocks on the door, and says "I'm gonna start outside." I ask, "What are you doing?" He replies, "I heard your cable isn't working."
So I'm like ok, bro called the company and he's here to fix it. Well the guy leaves after like a half hour and our internet is COMPLETELY out. My dad gets home and has tons of work to do and we both start callin out my brother for calling the company and not checking to make sure everything works before the guy left. He responds, "I didn't call the company..."
So, turns out, the Time Warner guy was supposed to be at our neighbors, where the internet was actually down and came to our house instead...broke it all, then just left.
The Shrog
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haha, an hour later after arguing with the company to send a guy back out here (which they can't do til tomorrow), my dad's down their messing with stuff he definitely shouldn't be. He calls up to my room, "Brad...try it now." It works and I ask him what he did to fix it..he reponds, "I have no idea."
Suited Frenzy
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HaHa :rofl: w/ an answer like that, I have to ask...
Smoke any crack lately? :stoned:
Whenever I start getting coolers, I take a break for a long while...
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BelgoSuisse
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Down about 4 buy-ins with RB. Nothing spectarcularly bad, tbh. And i don't even feel bad about my game. Pretty sure I played good poker today.
It's just the first time i drop $2k in a day. I guess i need to get used to that because it will happen again at 200nl...
Stu_Ungar
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Down about 4 buy-ins with RB. Nothing spectarcularly bad, tbh. And i don't even feel bad about my game. Pretty sure I played good poker today.
It's just the first time i drop $2k in a day. I guess i need to get used to that because it will happen again at 200nl...
Chin up Belgo.
You are smart enough, and consistent enough with your play, to realise that this is a down swing.
Emotionally, this is something you must learn to deal with.
I'm pretty sure you will learn to cope with it, maybe there are some decent books that deal with the issue.
kleitches
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What? I was saying that in villian's eyes, Jay's shove on the turn looks like a flush draw trying to buy the pot. If that was what you were saying then sorry, it was just confusing the way you phrased it.
I guess what I'm getting at is that this board is sort of a weird spot to represent a strong hand. Honestly the only thing that stands out is the flush draw. I'm looking at it in villian's eyes and I'm wondering what range Jay is calling my 3-bet with. I guess a set is certainly possible if he's calling with small and medium pocket pairs. It also depends on how often Jay flats these 3-bets oop and how often he likes to float c-bets. I'm just saying if I have an overpair to this board (as I assume villian likely has), I'm finding the turn shove a bit peculiar and would probably call, especially since I'm ahead of flush draws and have redraws to beat two pair. If he has a set then so be it.
S93
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But a flushdraw is raising/jamming the flop not calling it most of the time so Jay´s range is more weighted towards maked hands then draws since most of the draws on this board are FDs.
Calling flop and shoving turn with a FD here would be bad cause you lose so much equity and FE by just calling the flop.
And this maked me lol(warning includes open limping)
poker stars, $11 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 100 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
SB: 24,909 (31.1 bb)
BB: 45,516 (56.9 bb)
Hero (UTG): 9,766 (12.2 bb)
UTG+1: 17,652 (22.1 bb)
MP1: 60,276 (75.3 bb)
MP2: 14,450 (18.1 bb)
MP3: 12,256 (15.3 bb)
CO: 6,160 (7.7 bb)
BTN: 25,181 (31.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with K
Hero calls 800, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls 800, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks
Flop: (4,100) J
SB checks, BB bets 1,600, Hero calls 1,600, MP1 calls 1,600, SB folds
Turn: (8,900) 8
BB bets 6,400, Hero raises to 7,266 and is all-in, MP1 folds, BB calls 866
River: (23,432) J
Results: 23,432 pot
BB showed 5
Hero showed K
eNTy
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so jay called flop and raised over a huge turn bet with a flush draw?
why wouldn't he raise the flop (getting more FE, and having more equity as is)?
i think jay's line makes a lot more sense with hands that were strong on the flop (such as two pairs, sets, straight, AA/KK) since he called the flop bet (presumably to allow villain to continue bluffing and to prevent raising him off weaker made hands) and is now jamming the turn, giving villain a reasonable price to call with overpairs.
it's like, if you're just snapping off with any overpair in villain's spot here (on the turn), you're getting completely pwned by people who will raise their draws on the flop and will raise their strong made hands on the turn, because you're putting them on draws they never have when you snap off the turn shove, whereas in reality you're getting it in against their really strong made range (that you have little equity against), and really rare bluffs (which is what makes this bluff pretty good imo). i think a lot of half decent regs will play only strong made hands exactly the way jay did, making jay's bluff so believable to me.
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switch0723
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just saying 'it looks like a flush draw' doesnt make much sense unless you actually think about what hands he can have, you can't just say, 'he has spades', you have to think what spades are in his range that he isnt going to jam flop with, things like the aqss have overcards + spades, 79, 89, 9T, 9J all jam flop with pair + spades, 24, 23, 34 all jam flop with combo draw. the only real possible flush draw hands that he maybe wouldnt jam are jt, qt and qj. But shoving them over what looks like a 'im committed' turn bet wouldnt be the best play as opposed to jamming flop
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