I understand John's point here, but I think raising the flop is fine if you think the table is fishy enough that they'll call your raise with their draws or with TPGK+. I raise this flop and get callers frequently, and it's very profitable.
Well this is all happening in a vacuum. With less than a rotation of play, I suppose that at Bovada 100NL it's reasonable to think you'll just get a lot of folds if you raise flop. A couple of levels down from that, you could probably assume otherwise.
It's not totally horrible, but yeah, C/c on the turn is better. Then you have a little under pot on the river and depending on your read, all 3 plays are reasonable. C/c, jam, or c/f. Completely villain dependent.
2 questions:
Do you reraise on the flop here?
Do you raise the turn? (I was in position so I opted to just call not to scare villain even though a scare card could kill my action on the river)
Obviously villain spazzing out on the river is a dream scenario.
2 questions:
Do you reraise on the flop here?
Do you raise the turn? (I was in position so I opted to just call not to scare villain even though a scare card could kill my action on the river)
Obviously villain spazzing out on the river is a dream scenario.
My general opinion at these stakes... if someone check min raises you at these stakes on that kind of board, you are far behind with zero fold equity (unless they are just nutballs). So if you hit your hand, you're getting paid no matter what... why gamble with them? Call, hope to hit... if you don't, you can get away. If you do, you're stacking them. In this specific case, you'll have a slight EV edge against your opponents range, so it's not horrible of course to just get it in. But I'd say, hit your hand and then get paid because it's guaranteed to happen, and you can probably easily see 5 cards.
John
Interesting to hear your thoughts, one re-occurring theme in Tendler's recent interviews with top players (for example Moorman) is that they all have a close circle of poker friends to discuss hands and strategy with and that is how they managed to improve to the very top levels. I recently heard an interview with Neil Channing who didn't rate Moorman at all 3-4 years ago and was surprised at how quickly he developed.
I have set some goals for myself and laid them out in my own thread (link in the signature below).
Going back to Jared Tendler, I love his 'inchworm' concept of learning and am determined to apply this to remove my leaks and try to learn some new stuff at the same time.
Although I didn't consider it this year, as no limit gets tougher it seems to be right to develop as a player in other forms of poker like Omaha, triple draw and razz, surely these will be a little softer in the short term. Some of the top pros are playing a lot of triple draw its clearly a decent action game.
I have set myself a dollar amount to achieve on cash tables as I think this will help me with my volume which drops off if I don't have a specific goal to play to.
I understand why you wouldn't need to set such a goal though and also why tilt could be an issue for you.
I think tilt must feature is everyone's game at some point and conquering it is a truly difficult quest.
I have also read recently that some players deliberately try to tilt others as part of their overall strategy for increasing win rates, I agree it seems a viable tactic for turning susceptible regs into your own personal atms. I suppose it must involve some initial suboptimal play but clealry some players can tilt off large portions of their bankrolls in a very short period, have you ever considered this?
Alright... so no reads on opponent. Less than a rotation at the table. 100nl online. He opens UTG 3x, MP calls, I call in CO with TT. Folds to BB who also calls. So a family pot.
My perceived range is pretty strong here in a MW pot for him to go this aggro. With no reads, it seems unlikely he's trying to push me off my hand, and not much else makes sense besides AQ/KK/JJ.
I know I have tilt issues where i can grind cash for a couple of hours win a couple of buyins then get sucked out and quickly lose it all back
As for changing game to Omaha, Razz triple draw etc its a good idea, i changed a couple of years ago and used to play razz on a site and the competition was so soft it was easy money in the tournaments they had NL and PL Razz
I had a 72% ROI over nearly 1000 games, unfortunately the games dont exist anymore
same goes for Omaha HL most of the players havent got a clue i aint the best player just an average player but get good overall results.
My problem is patience so thats why I tried to transition to cash to be able to just play when i wanted and not have to sit there for 4 or 5 hours in an MTT.
My goals to be able to be to crush the micros and be confident in my game to move up the stakes and Avoid Tilt as much as possible!!
Originally Posted by John A Alright... so no reads on opponent. Less than a rotation at the table. 100nl online. He opens UTG 3x, MP calls, I call in CO with TT. Folds to BB who also calls. So a family pot.
My perceived range is pretty strong here in a MW pot for him to go this aggro. With no reads, it seems unlikely he's trying to push me off my hand, and not much else makes sense besides AQ/KK/JJ.
Fyi, not that results matter a ton, but if anyone cares, villain had KK in this hand. I finally got to see the hand history.
One of my goals will be not to lose money at cash games. I'm basically using cash games to rake points to get into bigger promo tournaments. I make most of my poker money playing tourneys and participating in site promos.
I give part of the money I make playing poker to charity. With the rest I usually try to replace old stuff that I have or sometimes I get some cool new things.
Binking a major tourney is one of my long term goals. I'm working on it and hopefully it will become a reality.
John
Interesting to hear your thoughts, one re-occurring theme in Tendler's recent interviews with top players (for example Moorman) is that they all have a close circle of poker friends to discuss hands and strategy with and that is how they managed to improve to the very top levels. I recently heard an interview with Neil Channing who didn't rate Moorman at all 3-4 years ago and was surprised at how quickly he developed.
I have set some goals for myself and laid them out in my own thread (link in the signature below).
Going back to Jared Tendler, I love his 'inchworm' concept of learning and am determined to apply this to remove my leaks and try to learn some new stuff at the same time.
Although I didn't consider it this year, as no limit gets tougher it seems to be right to develop as a player in other forms of poker like Omaha, triple draw and razz, surely these will be a little softer in the short term. Some of the top pros are playing a lot of triple draw its clearly a decent action game.
I have set myself a dollar amount to achieve on cash tables as I think this will help me with my volume which drops off if I don't have a specific goal to play to.
I understand why you wouldn't need to set such a goal though and also why tilt could be an issue for you.
I think tilt must feature is everyone's game at some point and conquering it is a truly difficult quest.
I have also read recently that some players deliberately try to tilt others as part of their overall strategy for increasing win rates, I agree it seems a viable tactic for turning susceptible regs into your own personal atms. I suppose it must involve some initial suboptimal play but clealry some players can tilt off large portions of their bankrolls in a very short period, have you ever considered this?
Yeah, when I was first moving up into mid stakes games, I had a ton of poker friends that we'd pick each others brains about the game. Everyone was making so much money so fast, and as we moved up into high stakes games we were playing a lot of the same people on a daily basis. We all shared and talked about spots and opponents quite frequently. Really we did every day. We coached each other, shared houses in Vegas, and did some fairly degenerate shit that I don't care to even get into. Young and dumb.
Now everyone has kind of broken off, and people don't seem to share info as readily. That doesn't mean that you still don't with some of your tight poker friends, but info isn't as easily dispersed anymore. At least from what I've seen. And that's OK.
But yeah, I didn't really struggle with tilt at all early in my poker career. It was really a non issue for me. It's happened more in the past year really than at any time. It's more subtle tilt, but it's there and it effects my game. So it's something I'm going to correct this year.
As far as tilting other regs, that's been a staple of my game for a long long time. I get others regs off their games, and exploit that. That's the creative fun side of poker that I enjoy. All the meta game guessing and staying one step ahead of someone else.
Any ways, I'm glad you enjoyed the blog. Hopefully we can set some goals. I'm finishing putting some graphics into this workbook, and I'm hoping that Polished Poker vol II will be out by next week.
Haha.... well, he could have just as easily flipped over 66 and I'd be less than mortal. But I knew based on my quick initial read that it had to be one of 4 hands, and 3 of those killed me. Really no point for him to over shove two pair or top pair w/ no read on me.
So here's another interesting one. I was playing 50nl zone this morning for a bit.
~190bbs deep. I open 99 in SB, I get insta min raised from BB. I just call. Flop is:
QcTcTd - I check, opponents checks.
Turn: 9s - I bet slightly over pot, opponent calls quickly.
River is Ac - I bet slightly over pot, and opponent insta shoves. About 84 into a 42. I fold.
So here's another interesting one. I was playing 50nl zone this morning for a bit.
~190bbs deep. I open 99 in SB, I get insta min raised from BB. I just call. Flop is:
QcTcTd - I check, opponents checks.
Turn: 9s - I bet slightly over pot, opponent calls quickly.
River is Ac - I bet slightly over pot, and opponent insta shoves. About 84 into a 42. I fold.
4 bet Pre and fold to shove unless just set mining OOP with 99
Good Flop if AK a big part of range. When you over bet Turn range narrows to AQ, AT KK QQ AA maybe AcJc AcKc or stubborn underpair or suited Raggy ace.
Overbet River after lots of strength from you, 90% AA AQ AT and 10% bluff with underpair
190 bbs deep OOP, I'd prefer not to 4-bet. I'm not set mining either. You think he over shoves AQ? I was thinking his range was more like QQ, QT, AA, AT, and bluff. Not sure KJ is shoving being that deep.
180 bbs deep against someone like this, it's probably a good fold. You should 3-bet a little more though on the squeeze. You're deep enough for him to have some draws, but he probably doesn't play that like this.
190 bbs deep OOP, I'd prefer not to 4-bet. I'm not set mining either. You think he over shoves AQ? I was thinking his range was more like QQ, QT, AA, AT, and bluff. Not sure KJ is shoving being that deep.
Id have 3bet bigger 1.50 or 1.60 with the extra caller.
if standard 100BBs then easy call, they have so many KQ, AQ, 99-JJ, A high flush draws, not sure being this deep, but wouldnt be the worst call in the world
also at these stakes alot more hands like TJs 89s could be added for flush draw and gutshot. big draws are shoved alot at the micros.
Question about Ace Poker Drills, is it possible to add actual cards instead of ranges as I'm assuming when i select TJs it will add all suited TJ, whereby I only needed TJ spades.
On PPT its
Hold'em Simulation ?
32,670 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 8dQs6s
Hand Equity Wins Ties KsKc 46.32% 15,133 0 AA,As8s+,AQ, Ks9s+, QQ, 88, 66, Js9s+, QxJx 53.68% 17,537 0
also at these stakes alot more hands like TJs 89s could be added for flush draw and gutshot. big draws are shoved alot at the micros.
Question about Ace Poker Drills, is it possible to add actual cards instead of ranges as I'm assuming when i select TJs it will add all suited TJ, whereby I only needed TJ spades.
On PPT its
Hold'em Simulation ?
32,670 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 8dQs6s
Hand Equity Wins Ties KsKc 46.32% 15,133 0 AA,As8s+,AQ, Ks9s+, QQ, 88, 66, Js9s+, QxJx 53.68% 17,537 0
Yes, you just click the preflop tab and select a hand. The bottom right hand corner will show the suit combos so just unselect any ones you don't want.
