R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
couple of hands from cash tonight, both against same player too passive/tight??
and 1 from a tournament if ok to post it was the billion Game on PS. Absolutely butchered it (Thinking shove Flop or at the worst fold Turn)
Hand 1
(Prima)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 09:14:19 ET 2014
Table Chobotova 20 Max (real money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €21.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 25
Seat 2: Player2 ( €20.36 EUR ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
Seat 3: Player3 ( €30.21 EUR ) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 4: Player4 ( €31.19 EUR ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 6.0, Hands: 50
Seat 5: Player5 ( €37.84 EUR ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Hero ( €21.46 EUR ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 695
Player5 posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Hero posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].
Dealt to Hero [ Jd Jc ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [€0.80 EUR]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [€0.60 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 2d, 3s ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€1.20 EUR]
Hero calls [€1.20 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€3.40 EUR]
Hero folds
Player4 wins €7.30 EUR from main pot
Hand 2
(Prima)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 09:19:04 ET 2014
Table Chobotova 20 Max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 19, 3B: 18, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32
Seat 2: Player2 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
Seat 3: Player3 ( €31.15 EUR ) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 4: Player4 ( €33.29 EUR ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 6.0, Hands: 50
Seat 5: Player5 ( €37.44 EUR ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Hero ( €19.46 EUR ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 695
Hero posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Player1 posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].
Dealt to Hero [ Th Ts ]
Player2 raises [€0.60 EUR]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [€0.60 EUR]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [€2.10 EUR]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [€1.60 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5d, 8d ]
Hero bets [€2.80 EUR]
Player4 calls [€2.80 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€5.40 EUR]
Hero folds
Player4 wins €15.66 EUR from main pot
Hand 3 Billion Game Tourney
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 03:36:32 ET 2014
Table 1000000000 388 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 7352 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19
Seat 2: Player2 ( 1974 ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 5, 3B: 14, AF: 1.0, Hands: 19
Seat 3: Player3 ( 17350 ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 26, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 4: Player4 ( 14108 ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 11, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 5: Hero ( 5734 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 13903
Seat 6: Player6 ( 18280 ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 7
Seat 7: Player7 ( 10306 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 19
Seat 8: Player8 ( 8021 ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19
Seat 9: Player9 ( 2341 ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 17
Player1 posts ante of [30].
Player2 posts ante of [30].
Player3 posts ante of [30].
Player4 posts ante of [30].
Hero posts ante of [30].
Player6 posts ante of [30].
Player7 posts ante of [30].
Player8 posts ante of [30].
Player9 posts ante of [30].
Player2 posts small blind [125].
Player3 posts big blind [250].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9d ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [620]
Player6 folds
Player7 calls [620]
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [370]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 4h, 5s ]
Player3 bets [902]
Hero calls [902]
Player7 calls [902]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
Player3 bets [1984]
Hero calls [1984]
Player7 folds
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Player3 bets [13814]
Hero folds
Player3 wins 13814
Player3 wins 8929 from main pot
and 1 from a tournament if ok to post it was the billion Game on PS. Absolutely butchered it (Thinking shove Flop or at the worst fold Turn)
Hand 1
(Prima)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 09:14:19 ET 2014
Table Chobotova 20 Max (real money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €21.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 25
Seat 2: Player2 ( €20.36 EUR ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
Seat 3: Player3 ( €30.21 EUR ) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 4: Player4 ( €31.19 EUR ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 6.0, Hands: 50
Seat 5: Player5 ( €37.84 EUR ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Hero ( €21.46 EUR ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 695
Player5 posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Hero posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].
Dealt to Hero [ Jd Jc ]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [€0.80 EUR]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [€0.60 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 2d, 3s ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€1.20 EUR]
Hero calls [€1.20 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€3.40 EUR]
Hero folds
Player4 wins €7.30 EUR from main pot
Hand 2
(Prima)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 09:19:04 ET 2014
Table Chobotova 20 Max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 19, 3B: 18, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32
Seat 2: Player2 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
Seat 3: Player3 ( €31.15 EUR ) - VPIP: 45, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 4: Player4 ( €33.29 EUR ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 20, 3B: 5, AF: 6.0, Hands: 50
Seat 5: Player5 ( €37.44 EUR ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 22
Seat 6: Hero ( €19.46 EUR ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 695
Hero posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Player1 posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].
Dealt to Hero [ Th Ts ]
Player2 raises [€0.60 EUR]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [€0.60 EUR]
Player5 folds
Hero raises [€2.10 EUR]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [€1.60 EUR]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5d, 8d ]
Hero bets [€2.80 EUR]
Player4 calls [€2.80 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
Hero checks
Player4 bets [€5.40 EUR]
Hero folds
Player4 wins €15.66 EUR from main pot
Hand 3 Billion Game Tourney
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 03:36:32 ET 2014
Table 1000000000 388 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 7352 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19
Seat 2: Player2 ( 1974 ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 5, 3B: 14, AF: 1.0, Hands: 19
Seat 3: Player3 ( 17350 ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 26, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 4: Player4 ( 14108 ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 11, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
Seat 5: Hero ( 5734 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 13903
Seat 6: Player6 ( 18280 ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 7
Seat 7: Player7 ( 10306 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 19
Seat 8: Player8 ( 8021 ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 19
Seat 9: Player9 ( 2341 ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 17
Player1 posts ante of [30].
Player2 posts ante of [30].
Player3 posts ante of [30].
Player4 posts ante of [30].
Hero posts ante of [30].
Player6 posts ante of [30].
Player7 posts ante of [30].
Player8 posts ante of [30].
Player9 posts ante of [30].
Player2 posts small blind [125].
Player3 posts big blind [250].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9d ]
Player4 folds
Hero raises [620]
Player6 folds
Player7 calls [620]
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [370]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 4h, 5s ]
Player3 bets [902]
Hero calls [902]
Player7 calls [902]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
Player3 bets [1984]
Hero calls [1984]
Player7 folds
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Player3 bets [13814]
Hero folds
Player3 wins 13814
Player3 wins 8929 from main pot
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
AF 6 he is just an loose aggro monkey using position to float and push you out with aggression,,,,,pretty good ploy actually lol.
hand 1. JJ 6 handed I dont mind the call as he is very agg. If he was passive and folded to 3 bets i'd 3 bet.
As played I would be check raising this flop aggressively..one of the few weapons available here.
As played I think we can consider calling down here against a very agg opponent like this, especially if an undercard arrives on the river
hand 2. The villain is useful in position so I'm not keen on the three bet with Ts, its one of those hands really difficult to play oop with likely overs on the flop....and what are we doing if you get 4 bet. we don't want to waste the value of Ts here...I'm just calling pre here.
I'm betting full pot on that flop to defend the 10's and or check raising, you have to show him hes playing for stacks....Its no different from the first hand really.
Tourny hand
Difficult one at 20 bb
I'm taking a stand early in the hand, probably shove the flop and hope actually.....lots of draws and small 2 pairs that you might beat especially if the board pairs. he's using his stack size to pressure you and pretty much could have atc.
Can't call off half our chips on that turn and fold... what card are you hoping for on the river that isn't giving you problems other than an 8 or 9.fold turn as played..to leave yourself a shoving stack size
hand 1. JJ 6 handed I dont mind the call as he is very agg. If he was passive and folded to 3 bets i'd 3 bet.
As played I would be check raising this flop aggressively..one of the few weapons available here.
As played I think we can consider calling down here against a very agg opponent like this, especially if an undercard arrives on the river
hand 2. The villain is useful in position so I'm not keen on the three bet with Ts, its one of those hands really difficult to play oop with likely overs on the flop....and what are we doing if you get 4 bet. we don't want to waste the value of Ts here...I'm just calling pre here.
I'm betting full pot on that flop to defend the 10's and or check raising, you have to show him hes playing for stacks....Its no different from the first hand really.
Tourny hand
Difficult one at 20 bb
I'm taking a stand early in the hand, probably shove the flop and hope actually.....lots of draws and small 2 pairs that you might beat especially if the board pairs. he's using his stack size to pressure you and pretty much could have atc.
Can't call off half our chips on that turn and fold... what card are you hoping for on the river that isn't giving you problems other than an 8 or 9.fold turn as played..to leave yourself a shoving stack size
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
(Party) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, November 30, 10:41:26 ET 2014
Table Ottawa (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 5: Player5 ( $28.89 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 107
Seat 3: Player3 ( $17.32 USD ) - VPIP: 54, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 13
Seat 6: Player6 ( $14.82 USD ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 27, 3B: 20, AF: 2.7, Hands: 33 preflop aggro fish
Seat 8: Hero ( $31.48 USD ) - VPIP:29 , PFR18: , 3B:7 , Ag%:34 , Hands:
Seat 4: Player4 ( $12.21 USD ) - VPIP: 49, PFR: 23, 3B: 18, AF: 2.3, Hands: 43
Seat 1: Player1 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 37
Seat 9: Player9 ( $15.02 USD ) - VPIP: 57, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 23
Seat 7: Player7 ( $41.50 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 60
Seat 2: Player2 ( $16.61 USD ) - VPIP: 78, PFR: 27, 3B: 20, AF: 1.6, Hands: 41
Player3 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
Player5 folds
Player6 raises [$0.50 USD]
Player7 calls [$0.50 USD]
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]...I had three bet at this table 7% I don't remember a single fold. I choose to call this time.
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [$0.40 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Qs, 4s ]
Player3 bets [$0.25 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.25 USD]
Player6 raises [$3.38 USD] Full pot bet... the pot is now $6.38 and he has $10.94 behind
Player7 folds
Hero ??
My hand is under-repped, raise or just call...i'm never folding to this monkey here.
Table Ottawa (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 5: Player5 ( $28.89 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 107
Seat 3: Player3 ( $17.32 USD ) - VPIP: 54, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 13
Seat 6: Player6 ( $14.82 USD ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 27, 3B: 20, AF: 2.7, Hands: 33 preflop aggro fish
Seat 8: Hero ( $31.48 USD ) - VPIP:29 , PFR18: , 3B:7 , Ag%:34 , Hands:
Seat 4: Player4 ( $12.21 USD ) - VPIP: 49, PFR: 23, 3B: 18, AF: 2.3, Hands: 43
Seat 1: Player1 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 37
Seat 9: Player9 ( $15.02 USD ) - VPIP: 57, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 23
Seat 7: Player7 ( $41.50 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.4, Hands: 60
Seat 2: Player2 ( $16.61 USD ) - VPIP: 78, PFR: 27, 3B: 20, AF: 1.6, Hands: 41
Player3 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
Player5 folds
Player6 raises [$0.50 USD]
Player7 calls [$0.50 USD]
Hero calls [$0.50 USD]...I had three bet at this table 7% I don't remember a single fold. I choose to call this time.
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 calls [$0.40 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Qs, 4s ]
Player3 bets [$0.25 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.25 USD]
Player6 raises [$3.38 USD] Full pot bet... the pot is now $6.38 and he has $10.94 behind
Player7 folds
Hero ??
My hand is under-repped, raise or just call...i'm never folding to this monkey here.
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
If you can keep it somewhat short we can try and look at it. No promises though as that's pretty time consuming, and quite honestly, I charge $150/hr to do that normally.
But there are others on here too that I know will help.
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks for the feedback, once again my achilles heel with medium to high pairs trying to get as much value but not get blown off the pot when overcard/scarecard hits.
As for when you emntioned agg of 6.0.
Should there be a direct correlation between Ag and AG% this guy was 6 but his AG% was only 27%. After John mentioned the % is more accurate, I actually use both on my top line of HUD and Ive notice that they do occasionally contradict each other low AG and high AG% or vice versa as in this example
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
my fees are slightly better value a cup of coffee and a biccy but then Johns advice prob 100* betterIf you can keep it somewhat short we can try and look at it. No promises though as that's pretty time consuming, and quite honestly, I charge $150/hr to do that normally.
But there are others on here too that I know will help.
Or you can post in the regular cash analysis part of the forum https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/
lots of people will comment there as well
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Why not pre-flop 3-bet. This is the kind of opponent who will call you with a ton of worse junk. Any ways, call turn.
Just call pre-flop. You have a tight prelfop raiser and some who is LAG calling. No reason to squeeze pre-flop. I just looked at the hand again, but even before looking at it, I could have told you if you got the UTG to fold, LAG guy is still calling, and you'll be OOP in a bloated pot with TT against him. Not the best situation. CRAI on the turn or jam yourself. I don't understand what's going on in these hands?
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Stacked stacked and stacked again
(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 02, 05:17:21 ET 2014
Table Erynia III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
UTG+1: Hero ( $49.55 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 67
UTG+2 Player5 ( $32.17 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 5.0, Hands: 103
SB Player9 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 10.0, Hands: 90
Player9 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Qc ]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player9 raises [$3.40 USD]
looked at his guys squeezing 13% and three betting from the SB 12.5%
Hero calls [$2.75 USD]
I think 4 betting gets him to fold out worse here.....
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 3c, 9s ]
Player9 bets [$5.00 USD]
Hero calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
Player9 bets [$16.50 USD ]he is also a barreller 100% turn cbet
Hero calls [$16.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Player9 shows [Ks, Kh ]
Player9 wins $49.00 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [Qd, Qc ]
Should I have played this differently?
(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 02, 05:17:21 ET 2014
Table Erynia III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
UTG+1: Hero ( $49.55 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 3.5, Hands: 67
UTG+2 Player5 ( $32.17 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 5.0, Hands: 103
SB Player9 ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 10.0, Hands: 90
Player9 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Qc ]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.75 USD]
Player9 raises [$3.40 USD]
looked at his guys squeezing 13% and three betting from the SB 12.5%
Hero calls [$2.75 USD]
I think 4 betting gets him to fold out worse here.....
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 3c, 9s ]
Player9 bets [$5.00 USD]
Hero calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
Player9 bets [$16.50 USD ]he is also a barreller 100% turn cbet
Hero calls [$16.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
Player9 shows [Ks, Kh ]
Player9 wins $49.00 USD from main pot
Hero doesn't show [Qd, Qc ]
Should I have played this differently?
Attachments
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
stacked
This hand about 5 minutes before the QQ above.
Another aggressive barreller.....winning this hand like this was probably why I played the QQs above in the same manner.....
(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 02, 05:04:27 ET 2014 Table Erynia III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
MP1: Hero ( $26.02 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 31, Hands: 67
SB Player9 ( $24.28 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 12, 3B: 17, AF: 8.0, Hands: 43
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Kd]
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player9 raises [$2.40 USD]
40% 3 bet from the SB...not a massive sample but these are pretty extreme even in a small sample
Hero calls [$1.75 USD]
As above I think 4 betting just folds out worse..id rather call in position....IS this the right thinking or not here?
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Jd, Jc ]
Player9 bets [$5.01 USD]
Hero calls [$5.01 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Player9 bets [$16.77 USD]
Hero calls [$16.77 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
Player9 shows [Qs, Qc ]
Hero shows [Kc, Kd ]
Hero wins $46.81 USD from main pot
This hand about 5 minutes before the QQ above.
Another aggressive barreller.....winning this hand like this was probably why I played the QQs above in the same manner.....
(Poker Stars) $25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 02, 05:04:27 ET 2014 Table Erynia III (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
MP1: Hero ( $26.02 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 31, Hands: 67
SB Player9 ( $24.28 USD ) - VPIP: 35, PFR: 12, 3B: 17, AF: 8.0, Hands: 43
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Kd]
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
Player9 raises [$2.40 USD]
40% 3 bet from the SB...not a massive sample but these are pretty extreme even in a small sample
Hero calls [$1.75 USD]
As above I think 4 betting just folds out worse..id rather call in position....IS this the right thinking or not here?
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Jd, Jc ]
Player9 bets [$5.01 USD]
Hero calls [$5.01 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Player9 bets [$16.77 USD]
Hero calls [$16.77 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
Player9 shows [Qs, Qc ]
Hero shows [Kc, Kd ]
Hero wins $46.81 USD from main pot
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R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Why not pre-flop 3-bet. This is the kind of opponent who will call you with a ton of worse junk. Any ways, call turn.
Just call pre-flop. You have a tight prelfop raiser and some who is LAG calling. No reason to squeeze pre-flop. I just looked at the hand again, but even before looking at it, I could have told you if you got the UTG to fold, LAG guy is still calling, and you'll be OOP in a bloated pot with TT against him. Not the best situation. CRAI on the turn or jam yourself.
TT hand so ok to jam turn when I only have 1.4 pot bet left or CR against LAG and only fold if NIT leads out 1/2 pot on turn
I don't understand what's going on in these hands?
I got bullied
also did you see the part about AG and AG%
Should there be a direct correlation between Ag and AG% this guy was 6 but his AG% was only 27%. After John mentioned the % is more accurate, I actually use both on my top line of HUD and Ive notice that they do occasionally contradict each other low AG and high AG% or vice versa as in this example
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Definitely agree with not 4 betting with position, your 3bet is low so 4bet to him is very strong and as they are aggressive post flop let him bet away. Obv Ace on flop will kill most action from you.
Id have played QQ exactly same
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
playing a hand tonight
Seat 3 is the button
Player 4 is a Nit
Player4 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9c ]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.95 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Qs, 3h ]
Player4 bets [$1.20 USD]
Hero calls [$1.20 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
Player4 bets [$2.58 USD]
In situation above if Villain is a Nit is it just better to see if they have AK by raising their flop bet to something like $3 instead of calling them down when turn and river are bricks. If they have narrow range like AK, AQ, TT+
Seat 3 is the button
Player 4 is a Nit
Player4 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9c ]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.95 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$0.70 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Qs, 3h ]
Player4 bets [$1.20 USD]
Hero calls [$1.20 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
Player4 bets [$2.58 USD]
In situation above if Villain is a Nit is it just better to see if they have AK by raising their flop bet to something like $3 instead of calling them down when turn and river are bricks. If they have narrow range like AK, AQ, TT+
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
I would say you do have to make a decision on the flop one way or the other, (according to leakbuster one of my biggest leaks is peeling the flop with 2nd pair and folding to the 2nd barrel.)
Imo This is the board texture to try the flop raise but not one with an ace or king or two broadways. It would obviously be better if there are no queen either.
Its so dry you are literally saying I have AQ QQ or maybe a smaller set. Most small pairs would fold to the 3 bet..
If his three bet range is 4% he is only going to have 2 combos out of 8 with a Q in it but another 2 with KK and AA so half the time you are still beaten even on this flop.
In that case I don't think we need to go as big as $3...I'd just click it back to $2.40 if hes going to fold AK that is probably enough. If he calls that's it i'm done for the hand unless there is some weird run out.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Spewy multiway pot
How can we play this better please?
The big complicating factor preflop is the maniac on the button who a few hands previous flat called a cold 4 bet with 46 and stacked a KK.....
Last hand he went all in with a flush draw on the turn and hit to stack another, raising pre doesn't look inviting. If butn does raise/squeeze pre here I was planning on stacking off pre flop.
There is another whale in the bb.
(Pacific) $20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 10:43:41 ET 2014
Table Iguala (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Seat 2: Player2 ( $8.40 USD ) - VPIP: 100, PFR: 53, 3B: 29, AF: 1.9, Hands: 15
Seat 3: Player3 ( $17.62 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 1.6, Hands: 184
Seat 4: Player4 ( $19.40 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.68 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 38
Seat 6: Hero ( $20.00 USD ) -
Seat 7: Player7 ( $23.13 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 352
Seat 9: Player9 ( $52.67 USD ) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 22, 3B: 13, AF: 1.6, Hands: 23
Player1 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Ad ]
Player3 raises [$0.52 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.52 USD]
Hero calls [$0.52 USD]
Player7 calls [$0.52 USD]
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 calls [$0.32 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Ah, Qc ]
Player2 bets [$0.20 USD]
Player3 raises [$2.47 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$2.47 USD]
Player7 calls [$2.47 USD]
Player2 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks....
Player7 bets [$3.15 USD]
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$3.15 USD] i'm getting 4-1 on the flush draw, its not to the nut flush, although a ten or ace would probably be good.
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Hero checks
Player7 bets [$16.99 USD]
Hero folds
Player7 wins $15.78 USD from main pot
Player7 wins $16.99 USD
Just felt like spew and that I should have shoved somewhere....it just looks too dangerous to raise on any street.
How can we play this better please?
The big complicating factor preflop is the maniac on the button who a few hands previous flat called a cold 4 bet with 46 and stacked a KK.....
Last hand he went all in with a flush draw on the turn and hit to stack another, raising pre doesn't look inviting. If butn does raise/squeeze pre here I was planning on stacking off pre flop.
There is another whale in the bb.
(Pacific) $20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 10:43:41 ET 2014
Table Iguala (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Seat 2: Player2 ( $8.40 USD ) - VPIP: 100, PFR: 53, 3B: 29, AF: 1.9, Hands: 15
Seat 3: Player3 ( $17.62 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 1.6, Hands: 184
Seat 4: Player4 ( $19.40 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.68 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 38
Seat 6: Hero ( $20.00 USD ) -
Seat 7: Player7 ( $23.13 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 352
Seat 9: Player9 ( $52.67 USD ) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 22, 3B: 13, AF: 1.6, Hands: 23
Player1 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kc Ad ]
Player3 raises [$0.52 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.52 USD]
Hero calls [$0.52 USD]
Player7 calls [$0.52 USD]
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 calls [$0.32 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Ah, Qc ]
Player2 bets [$0.20 USD]
Player3 raises [$2.47 USD]
Player5 folds
Hero calls [$2.47 USD]
Player7 calls [$2.47 USD]
Player2 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks....
Player7 bets [$3.15 USD]
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$3.15 USD] i'm getting 4-1 on the flush draw, its not to the nut flush, although a ten or ace would probably be good.
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Hero checks
Player7 bets [$16.99 USD]
Hero folds
Player7 wins $15.78 USD from main pot
Player7 wins $16.99 USD
Just felt like spew and that I should have shoved somewhere....it just looks too dangerous to raise on any street.
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
This was pretty outrageous imo....the hand i mentioned above.
(Pacific) $20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 10:28:09 ET 2014
Table Iguala (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Seat 2: Player2 ( $12.58 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 6, AF: 7.7, Hands: 398
Seat 3: Player3 ( $18.80 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 1.6, Hands: 184
Seat 4: Player4 ( $26.86 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 16
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.21 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 38
Seat 6: Hero ( $20.00 USD )
Seat 7: Player7 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 352
Seat 9: Player9 ( $19.70 USD ) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 22, 3B: 13, AF: 1.6, Hands: 23
Seat 10: Player10 ( $9.96 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Player3 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd As ]
Player5 calls [$0.20 USD]
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player7 raises [$3.20 USD] OK I'm folding to this obvious large raise from a premium.
Player9 calls [$3.20 USD] ??
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Hero folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 2h, 7d ]
Player7 bets [$3.90 USD]
Player9 calls [$3.90 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
Player7 bets [$12.90 USD]
Player9 calls [$12.60 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Player7 shows [Ks, Kd ]
Player9 shows [6s, 4s ]
Player9 wins $38.76 USD from main pot
Player7 wins $0.30 USD
(Pacific) $20.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 10:28:09 ET 2014
Table Iguala (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Seat 2: Player2 ( $12.58 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 6, AF: 7.7, Hands: 398
Seat 3: Player3 ( $18.80 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 1.6, Hands: 184
Seat 4: Player4 ( $26.86 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 0.3, Hands: 16
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.21 USD ) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 38
Seat 6: Hero ( $20.00 USD )
Seat 7: Player7 ( $20.00 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 1.7, Hands: 352
Seat 9: Player9 ( $19.70 USD ) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 22, 3B: 13, AF: 1.6, Hands: 23
Seat 10: Player10 ( $9.96 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 28
Player3 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.20 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd As ]
Player5 calls [$0.20 USD]
Hero raises [$0.90 USD]
Player7 raises [$3.20 USD] OK I'm folding to this obvious large raise from a premium.
Player9 calls [$3.20 USD] ??
Player10 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Hero folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 2h, 7d ]
Player7 bets [$3.90 USD]
Player9 calls [$3.90 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
Player7 bets [$12.90 USD]
Player9 calls [$12.60 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Player7 shows [Ks, Kd ]
Player9 shows [6s, 4s ]
Player9 wins $38.76 USD from main pot
Player7 wins $0.30 USD
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
AG% normalizes quicker because it takes into account all actions where AG does not. So if you don't have a lot of hand data on someone, those numbers can be far apart. I'd trust the AG% more than the AG.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Stats like what?
But yes, all games have gotten tougher. I think I'm a pretty good example of how the games are getting tougher because I grinded 5/10+ several years ago against a lot of the top online players in the world. Now I grind .25/.50 and .5/1 because there's not a lot of site options in the US, and I'm not comfortable keeping the amounts I used to keep online. I lost quite a bit on Absolute poker because of black friday. So players at .5/1 get to play against me. And I'm not bragging, but I'm pretty decent. lol
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Stats like what?
But yes, all games have gotten tougher. I think I'm a pretty good example of how the games are getting tougher because I grinded 5/10+ several years ago against a lot of the top online players in the world. Now I grind .25/.50 and .5/1 because there's not a lot of site options in the US, and I'm not comfortable keeping the amounts I used to keep online. I lost quite a bit on Absolute poker because of black friday. So players at .5/1 get to play against me. And I'm not bragging, but I'm pretty decent. lol
what would you say are the equivalents to the current $50 and $100NL to years ago is it simialr to what $5$10 used to be
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
5/10 back then is probably close to 2/4 NL today on most sites. Maybe on some really tough sites even 1/2 NL.
The 50nl and 100nl I'm playing today is almost like watching paint dry. The players just aren't sophisticated enough to make the games interesting. When you jump up to 2/4NL it's a considerable skill jump because players are thinking on multiple levels and using a lot of previous information to play hands more optimally against your range and their perceived range. 50 and 100 nl you still have a lot of very straight forward players, and even some betting mistakes with the regulars. You won't have those at 2/4nl.
The 50nl and 100nl I'm playing today is almost like watching paint dry. The players just aren't sophisticated enough to make the games interesting. When you jump up to 2/4NL it's a considerable skill jump because players are thinking on multiple levels and using a lot of previous information to play hands more optimally against your range and their perceived range. 50 and 100 nl you still have a lot of very straight forward players, and even some betting mistakes with the regulars. You won't have those at 2/4nl.
R
rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Ok that explains why i had quite a few with big differences after 50 hands, but if i had a decent sample maybe 200+ is it still possible to have wide gaps.
If so how many hands are need for it to normalise
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Any news on the work book?
I feel ready for a theory input boost.
Managed to post a 4 buyin winning session yesterday, the first time I've won more than one buyin in a few weeks.
I have NO LIMPING in written across the top of my screen, I am determined to close my vpip/pfr gap.
Im on 888, 10nl and there are up to 4 fish on most tables. As soon as you step up to 20nl there is a big improvement in playing standard.
I did have a go on the jackpot 50cent/1$ tables as the pot for hitting a royal flush is over 50K and stacked two players. I didn't realise the rake was actually a sb per hand every hand and actually came off with a loss..That is just a totally unbeatable game. Also I got within 1 card of the spade royal and won the hand with a normal flush. When I checked the chat window. Dealer chat showed my jackpot 50c stake was returned because no other players in the hand had posted the stake and that there must be two players in the hand who have posted the stake. So even if I had hit i the royal it would not have paid....Con....players are just building a massive pot that 888 can earn off.
I feel ready for a theory input boost.
Managed to post a 4 buyin winning session yesterday, the first time I've won more than one buyin in a few weeks.
I have NO LIMPING in written across the top of my screen, I am determined to close my vpip/pfr gap.
Im on 888, 10nl and there are up to 4 fish on most tables. As soon as you step up to 20nl there is a big improvement in playing standard.
I did have a go on the jackpot 50cent/1$ tables as the pot for hitting a royal flush is over 50K and stacked two players. I didn't realise the rake was actually a sb per hand every hand and actually came off with a loss..That is just a totally unbeatable game. Also I got within 1 card of the spade royal and won the hand with a normal flush. When I checked the chat window. Dealer chat showed my jackpot 50c stake was returned because no other players in the hand had posted the stake and that there must be two players in the hand who have posted the stake. So even if I had hit i the royal it would not have paid....Con....players are just building a massive pot that 888 can earn off.
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
It really depends on how active they are. If they are playing a lot of hands, 130ish hands will usually be ok. Not too many, then you'll need 200+.