Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Alucard]

Fold on flop?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 155.2 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 90 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
UTG: 198.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 46)
MP: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 17.29, PFR: 13.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.21, Hands: 552)
CO: 53 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jd Qd
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 8.4 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB, SB calls 5.4 BB

Flop : (25.2 BB, 3 players) 3h Qs 9s
SB checks, BB bets 19.6 BB,

 

[Alucard]

I'm just posting these to find whether I have small leaks in the game.

Optimal amount to raise?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 153 BB
SB: 177.6 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 82 BB (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 182 BB (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 51)
CO: 208 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jd Td
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 9.4 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop : (19.2 BB, 2 players) 4c Qd 5d
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn : (43.2 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 28 BB,

 

[John A]

Fold on river? Or turn??

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 216.6 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 13)
SB: 126.4 BB (VPIP: 27.34, PFR: 20.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 143)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.81, PFR: 10.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.81, Hands: 155)
UTG: 77 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 34)
MP: 151.6 BB (VPIP: 17.75, PFR: 14.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.37, Hands: 770)
Hero (CO): 245.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9h Jh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop : (19 BB, 2 players) 3h 6h 7c
SB bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Turn : (41 BB, 2 players) 8s
SB bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River : (87 BB, 2 players) Js
SB bets 45 BB,

Agg numbers? Might lean towards a fold pre against a decent reg at your stakes with this kind of hand.

Agg numbers would help. If he's aggressive I might lean towards raising the flop instead of calling and hoping to hit. As played turn is a call, river is a fold but it's not a huge leak to call there either. But agg numbers would help.

 

[John A]

Fold on flop?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 155.2 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 90 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
UTG: 198.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 46)
MP: 124.8 BB (VPIP: 17.29, PFR: 13.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.21, Hands: 552)
CO: 53 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jd Qd
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 8.4 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB, SB calls 5.4 BB

Flop : (25.2 BB, 3 players) 3h Qs 9s
SB checks, BB bets 19.6 BB,

You have to call the flop, but you should be folding the turn if you face more shells.

 

[John A]

I'm just posting these to find whether I have small leaks in the game.

Optimal amount to raise?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 153 BB
SB: 177.6 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 82 BB (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 182 BB (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 51)
CO: 208 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jd Td
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 9.4 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop : (19.2 BB, 2 players) 4c Qd 5d
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn : (43.2 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 28 BB,

Optimal amount is zero. You're hoping he has Ax and can spike a 3. But most importantly, if you can't get value on the river after calling here, you likely weren't going to get a call from a raise on the turn any ways. At least not on this texture.

 

[Alucard]

Would a King value bet here? Or am I beat everything he's betting?

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 129.4 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 12.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 519)
SB: 128.2 BB (VPIP: 19.98, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 2,425)
BB: 288.6 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 28)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 66)
Hero (MP): 209.8 BB
CO: 117.2 BB (VPIP: 19.71, PFR: 15.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 140)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ah As
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) Kd Ts 8c
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Turn : (15.4 BB, 2 players) 7d
Hero checks, BTN bets 11.8 BB, Hero calls 11.8 BB

River : (39 BB, 2 players) Th
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.8 BB,

 

[Figaroo2]

Personally I just keep betting with the AA until I get raised.I would hardly ever check this turn.

 

[John A]

Would a King value bet here? Or am I beat everything he's betting?

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 129.4 BB (VPIP: 17.46, PFR: 12.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 519)
SB: 128.2 BB (VPIP: 19.98, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 2,425)
BB: 288.6 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 28)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 66)
Hero (MP): 209.8 BB
CO: 117.2 BB (VPIP: 19.71, PFR: 15.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 140)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ah As
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) Kd Ts 8c
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Turn : (15.4 BB, 2 players) 7d
Hero checks, BTN bets 11.8 BB, Hero calls 11.8 BB

River : (39 BB, 2 players) Th
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.8 BB,

Bet, bet, bet.

Why did you decide the check the turn?

And yes a K would value bet.

 

[Figaroo2]

I have been seeing an increase in donk betting recently by aggressive players both good and bad.
Any ideas as to why this might be?
I'm finding it difficult to identify both the motivations for it and the ranges associated with it and thus how to deal with it.
Anyone got any input on This?

 

[Alucard]

Bet, bet, bet.

Why did you decide the check the turn?

And yes a K would value bet.

The V was an aggro one as I remember. His fold to c bet was pretty low. So I thought of bluff catching turn. He had a straight.
I sometimes take that line vs Vs with high AF & floats the flop.
Cbet as usual & then check to let the v steal & check raise or call it down.

 

[John A]

The V was an aggro one as I remember. His fold to c bet was pretty low. So I thought of bluff catching turn. He had a straight.
I sometimes take that line vs Vs with high AF & floats the flop.
Cbet as usual & then check to let the v steal & check raise or call it down.

Maybe on a drier board you can check turn vs and aggressive opponent, but I wouldn't here. He caught some piece for sure, and he's not folding on that turn. Just continue to bet.

 

[Vilgeoforc]

Interesting topic. But I play on NL 2. NL 200 is too high a limit for me.

 

[Alucard]

Thoughts?? The flop raise is about getting info I guess to see where I'm at.
But I've heard that "levelling" isn't a good strategy as per Doug Polk's articles. Is that what I was doing here??

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 123.4 BB
SB: 140.6 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
UTG: 157.8 BB (VPIP: 10.77, PFR: 9.23, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 133)
MP: 105.4 BB (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
CO: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 32.77, PFR: 20.17, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 124)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Js Ts
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 2d 5s Th
SB checks, CO bets 7.2 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, fold, CO calls 13.8 BB

Turn : (52 BB, 2 players) 3h
CO checks, Hero checks

River : (52 BB, 2 players) Jd
CO bets 38 BB, Hero raises to 99.4 BB and is all-in, CO calls 61.4 BB

https://www.upswingpoker.com/gto-po...6f97cbee033259357a17a8b2346dea0d3044957b5a0c0

 

[Figaroo2]

Id Just call the flop here nearly always, you have no idea if you are ahead.
If you want more info you'd be better off 3betting pre against his wide range.
Shove looks ok with top 2 pair on that board. Tough for him to lay down QQ KK AA here having put 38bb in the river. Going to lose to sets occasionally but I'd expect them to keep raising on the flop.

 

[Alucard]

V is a tight reg. Haven't seen him run pretty deep and I don't remember him being aggressive.

Should I reraise this on flop? And is there a point in calling the flop raise knowing I'm gonna fold on turn on a decent bet? And is it a call on turn??

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 115.2 BB (VPIP: 21.16, PFR: 17.53, 3Bet Preflop: 3.76, Hands: 681)
SB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 22.89, PFR: 18.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 86)
BB: 131.8 BB
UTG: 284.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP): 315.8 BB
CO: 137 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jc Jd
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) 8s 3c Th
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN raises to 11.6 BB, Hero calls 7.6 BB

Turn : (30.6 BB, 2 players) 4d
Hero checks, BTN bets 22 BB, fold

BTN wins 29.4 BB

 

[Alucard]

Id Just call the flop here nearly always, you have no idea if you are ahead.
If you want more info you'd be better off 3betting pre against his wide range.
Shove looks ok with top 2 pair on that board. Tough for him to lay down QQ KK AA here having put 38bb in the river. Going to lose to sets occasionally but I'd expect them to keep raising on the flop.

Yup I usually call on flop. This time I wanted to become fancy & know where I'm at straight on flop instead of becoming a calling station on tunr & river.
V had kings

 

[Alucard]

Another AK 4bet situation. But here I decided to fold cause the V is bit of a nit. I don't ever remember him 3betting light. Was it the right call or should I've shoved??

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 114.6 BB (VPIP: 21.27, PFR: 12.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 275)
SB: 173.6 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 16.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.25, Hands: 531)
BB: 49 BB (VPIP: 18.97, PFR: 14.23, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 264)
UTG: 297.2 BB (VPIP: 36.54, PFR: 20.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.90, Hands: 109)
Hero (MP): 313.8 BB
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 23.31, PFR: 18.49, 3Bet Preflop: 7.88, Hands: 6,142)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ad Ks
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 26 BB, BTN calls 17 BB

Flop : (53.4 BB, 2 players) 3d 6c 4s
Hero checks, BTN bets 16.6 BB, fold

BTN wins 67.4 BB

 

[John A]

Another AK 4bet situation. But here I decided to fold cause the V is bit of a nit. I don't ever remember him 3betting light. Was it the right call or should I've shoved??

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 114.6 BB (VPIP: 21.27, PFR: 12.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 275)
SB: 173.6 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 16.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.25, Hands: 531)
BB: 49 BB (VPIP: 18.97, PFR: 14.23, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 264)
UTG: 297.2 BB (VPIP: 36.54, PFR: 20.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.90, Hands: 109)
Hero (MP): 313.8 BB
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 23.31, PFR: 18.49, 3Bet Preflop: 7.88, Hands: 6,142)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ad Ks
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 26 BB, BTN calls 17 BB

Flop : (53.4 BB, 2 players) 3d 6c 4s
Hero checks, BTN bets 16.6 BB, fold

BTN wins 67.4 BB

In this spot, c/f is fine. You're only going to have about 25% equity vs/ this kind of opponent w/ your only fold equity coming from a split. So shoving ~85 into a 53 won't be profitable.

 

[John A]

Fyi, I've had the flu, so I haven't been checking on here or responding to IM's the past week+.

 

[Alucard]

pokerstars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 178.2 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, hands: 7)
SB: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 18.73, PFR: 13.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.21, Hands: 513)
BB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
UTG: 159 BB (VPIP: 13.36, PFR: 8.19, 3Bet Preflop: 1.00, Hands: 239)
MP: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (CO): 124.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9c 9s
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) 5d 9d 6c
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB raises to 11.2 BB,

 

[Alucard]

Turn bet too small? River decision??

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 172.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 86 BB (VPIP: 25.54, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.47, Hands: 193)
Hero (BB): 104.4 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB
MP: 61.2 BB (VPIP: 18.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 64)
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.96, PFR: 14.34, 3Bet Preflop: 5.69, Hands: 279)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7c Tc
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) Jd 7d Th
Hero checks, BTN bets 2 BB, Hero raises to 8.8 BB, BTN calls 6.8 BB

Turn : (24 BB, 2 players) 8c
Hero bets 13.2 BB, BTN calls 13.2 BB

River : (50.4 BB, 2 players) 2s
Hero

 

[Alucard]

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 103.6 BB (VPIP: 23.72, PFR: 19.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.75, Hands: 219)
SB: 145.8 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 21.31, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 63)
BB: 82.4 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 100.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (MP): 172 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.79, PFR: 8.03, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 285)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Jh Js
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) 9s Jc 6d
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn : (14.4 BB, 2 players) Tc
BB checks, Hero bets 9.2 BB, BB calls 9.2 BB

River : (32.8 BB, 2 players) 3s
BB checks, Hero

 

[braveslice]

I have been seeing an increase in donk betting recently by aggressive players both good and bad.
Any ideas as to why this might be?

I have seen tourney players to donk much more than cash player. Maybe it's coming from there?

 

[braveslice]

Thoughts?? The flop raise is about getting info I guess to see where I'm at.
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Js Ts
fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) 2d 5s Th

Id Just call the flop here nearly always, you have no idea if you are ahead.

Would it be better flop raise if hero would have , Flop with the idea that calling CB is probably wrong?

 

[Alucard]

Would it be better flop raise if hero would have , Flop with the idea that calling CB is probably wrong?

guess so. But we do that to stop the action then & there to take in down I guess. Cause any overcard would be bad for us to continue. But at the same time we are vulnerable to bluff re-raises & value raises