Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Figaroo2]

I would love to get involved in something like this. I have absolutely no experience in this and to begin with i wouldnt mind being involved and just observing/ discussing with you guys as i feel there would be a huge benefit in that and is something i would like to get into more regularly. I understand there are a couple of you that work and help each other out and i am a complete noob in this department so fully appreiate if you would not want me to hinder anything you have going on thats working for you. Just food for thought.

You are most welcome, I've sent you a PM with my skype details.

 

[jashiggs]

You are most welcome, I've sent you a PM with my skype details.

Thanks a lot man. I will be speaking with you all soon

 

[John A]

Have you had the time to work on a video format review on the hand, John? I really loved the last one you did.

No, the holidays snook up, and then I had some minor surgery yesterday (I'm fine... just standard post surgery pain ) so just recovering now.

But I plan on doing A LOT of these on a lot of subjects and hands. I think it's a good format to cover a lot of information quickly.

 

[rhombus]

sorry guys not been on much, PC out of action and only occasional hand on tablet.

What have I missed


TT hand above, if you do lead turn for about $3 do you fold if they Raise to $10 ish???

 

[John A]

sorry guys not been on much, PC out of action and only occasional hand on tablet.

What have I missed


TT hand above, if you do lead turn for about $3 do you fold if they Raise to $10 ish???

Nooo.... not the PC!

Did you get a replacement yet?

 

[John A]

Ok I filtered for this and this was the result from where I continued after being raised on the flop us having TPTK or TPGK
(sample size my 280K of hands on 888 Pacific)

Looking at the hands I still won 45 of the 85 hands but almost to a man they were against bad players who were simply aggro donks over playing flush draws or over valuing Top pair bad kicker.
There were also a good few hands against total unknowns who were pushing their luck hoping you would give them credit for being unknown. A lot of these raises from bad players or unknowns came from draws on very wet boards. I'm actually not doing too bad taking into account the two nasty suckouts but this has been a useful exercise.
I only found 18 hands where I bet folded TPTK or TPGK they were mostly very obvious folds multiway or where the top pair was low and were there would have been a decent amount of overpairs.

By the way... take this filter and add texture to it. Super dry boards by ok+ players, you should rarely see CR's on dry boards with big hands at your stakes imho.

 

[John A]

Well, if I can make a suggestion, I'd like you to take a look into this one:

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.87 (58.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $27.89 (278.9 bb)
UTG+2: $11.86 (118.6 bb)
MP1: $11.67 (116.7 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.35 (43.5 bb)
BTN: $15.16 (151.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

J

3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 9

K

7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($4.61) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $7.72 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $4.61 pot ($0.23 rake)
Final Board: 9

K

7

T

Q

Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$2.28 net)
MP3 mucked and won $4.38 ($2.10 net)

Come to think about it now, I feel like I should have 3-bet preflop, but maybe it was alright. I feel quite good about the way I played, it just seemed an interesting runout.

I'm going to do a video on this hand. Any stats or reads on your opponent here also? For video stuff I'd like to have some of those basic stats at least.

 

[Ian the Fish]

I'm going to do a video on this hand. Any stats or reads on your opponent here also? For video stuff I'd like to have some of those basic stats at least.

Sure. Over 447 hands:

VPIP: 24
PFR: 15
Total 3-bet %: 5.1

 

[rhombus]

Nooo.... not the PC!

Did you get a replacement yet?

Yup got one on Saturday, tried to get Laptop but ended up with desktop instead. Not fully set up yet, having room done up at same time.

Think she (the one who must be obeyed) doesnt want pc in room and wants the PC upstairs LOL

 

[Figaroo2]

fold, call or shove, multiway action?

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $6.79 (27.2 bb) Confirmed FISH (that's why hes next to me)
Hero (BB): $29.67 (118.7 bb)
MP1: $29.08 (116.3 bb)
MP2: $15.82 (63.3 bb) FISHY
MP3: $30.97 (123.9 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 2596
CO: $25 (100 bb) VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 9, AF: 2.5, Hands: 120
BTN: $31.22 (124.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

J

MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.50) 9

Q

K

(6 players)
SB bets $0.50, well I was hoping to be able to check and see what developed but this fish rather forces me into action. Hero raises to $2, I didn't want to just call cheaply here with the fish which would look like an obvious drawing hand, in anycase I'm likely to be ahead of the fish here. With so many people in the pot you might expect drawing hands to just call.
MP2 calls $2, MP3 folds, CO raises to $9, 2 folds,
Pot size is $18

Ok I've been at the table for the full 120 hands with this aggressive reg villain in the cut off, he's been 3betting 9% and squeezing 13%, (Is the macho Eastern European type who does not like to be dominated/out aggressed)
He's certainly capable of making a big move with a semi bluff here and there are a ton of nut flush draw hands here to go with made a made straight and 2 pair combos with draws
I thought I had at least 30-40% equity here against all the hands he could have here but who knows what the fish have or will do.
So its call 7 to win 18 so 2.5-1 immediate odds, but the sizing is fairly pot committing. If i call the pot will be $25 and he has $15 behind.
Hero?

 

[Aces2w1n]

flat flop.. make moves on turn if you get club.

easy fold on flop AP because straight is already there .. 2 pairs or sets

we need the pot low so we can make a move and have fold equity on the turn but because SPR is tiny we got no where to go but making our hand. With so many in pot we are either crushed or against people with huge equity.

if you had ak youd fold... why so sticky here with good kicker and a gutter ... uncharacteristic

i wouldnt make a move here unless im tilted ... i cant see how we arent beat

 

[Ian the Fish]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $6.79 (27.2 bb) Confirmed FISH (that's why hes next to me)
Hero (BB): $29.67 (118.7 bb)
MP1: $29.08 (116.3 bb)
MP2: $15.82 (63.3 bb) FISHY
MP3: $30.97 (123.9 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 2596
CO: $25 (100 bb) VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 9, AF: 2.5, Hands: 120
BTN: $31.22 (124.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

J

MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.50) 9

Q

K

(6 players)
SB bets $0.50, well I was hoping to be able to check and see what developed but this fish rather forces me into action. Hero raises to $2, I didn't want to just call cheaply here with the fish which would look like an obvious drawing hand, in anycase I'm likely to be ahead of the fish here. With so many people in the pot you might expect drawing hands to just call.
MP2 calls $2, MP3 folds, CO raises to $9, 2 folds,
Pot size is $18

Ok I've been at the table for the full 120 hands with this aggressive reg villain in the cut off, he's been 3betting 9% and squeezing 13%, (Is the macho Eastern European type who does not like to be dominated/out aggressed)
He's certainly capable of making a big move with a semi bluff here and there are a ton of nut flush draw hands here to go with made a made straight and 2 pair combos with draws
I thought I had at least 30-40% equity here against all the hands he could have here but who knows what the fish have or will do.
So its call 7 to win 18 so 2.5-1 immediate odds, but the sizing is fairly pot committing. If i call the pot will be $25 and he has $15 behind.
Hero?

Just give it up. I mean you are drawing to an inside straight with just one pair and a mediocre kicker.

Assuming he really is an aggressive Eastern European monkey (I will not comment on why saying this makes me laugh), there are some comoletely moronic K9, Q9, KQ, 99, and even JT combos he can have.

Plus, say the turn does not improve you, what other than check-folding can you do? Calling off w/ TPGK on a drawy board does not seem like a winning play.

I would just give it up at this point. Seems weak, but I think you can find a better spot, given the way he played this hand.

 

[John A]

Sure. Over 447 hands:

VPIP: 24
PFR: 15
Total 3-bet %: 5.1

Aggression too please? All of this info matters in decision making.

 

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $6.79 (27.2 bb) Confirmed FISH (that's why hes next to me)
Hero (BB): $29.67 (118.7 bb)
MP1: $29.08 (116.3 bb)
MP2: $15.82 (63.3 bb) FISHY
MP3: $30.97 (123.9 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.3, Hands: 2596
CO: $25 (100 bb) VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 9, AF: 2.5, Hands: 120
BTN: $31.22 (124.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

J

MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.50) 9

Q

K

(6 players)
SB bets $0.50, well I was hoping to be able to check and see what developed but this fish rather forces me into action. Hero raises to $2, I didn't want to just call cheaply here with the fish which would look like an obvious drawing hand, in anycase I'm likely to be ahead of the fish here. With so many people in the pot you might expect drawing hands to just call.
MP2 calls $2, MP3 folds, CO raises to $9, 2 folds,
Pot size is $18

Ok I've been at the table for the full 120 hands with this aggressive reg villain in the cut off, he's been 3betting 9% and squeezing 13%, (Is the macho Eastern European type who does not like to be dominated/out aggressed)
He's certainly capable of making a big move with a semi bluff here and there are a ton of nut flush draw hands here to go with made a made straight and 2 pair combos with draws
I thought I had at least 30-40% equity here against all the hands he could have here but who knows what the fish have or will do.
So its call 7 to win 18 so 2.5-1 immediate odds, but the sizing is fairly pot committing. If i call the pot will be $25 and he has $15 behind.
Hero?

Fold. CO CR here isn't good given his stats. He's more incentivized to just call here with drawing hands, especially considering how he's playing overall.

But the bigger issue is what's up with the $2 raise? I prefer the raise of course, but at least $3.5+. The small raise just looks ubber weak MW and creates a lot of potential leveling issues.

 

[John A]

Yup got one on Saturday, tried to get Laptop but ended up with desktop instead. Not fully set up yet, having room done up at same time.

Think she (the one who must be obeyed) doesnt want pc in room and wants the PC upstairs LOL

Well, that's why laptops are great... you can just plug them into a monitor, or move them when the boss doesn't want you around.

Glad you got a new system.

 

[rhombus]

Well, that's why laptops are great... you can just plug them into a monitor, or move them when the boss doesn't want you around.

Glad you got a new system.

I ain't, played a session last night ran like sh1t and lost 40% of bankroll lol

 

[Ian the Fish]

Aggression too please? All of this info matters in decision making.

I apologize. Agg: 2.75

 

[John A]

I ain't, played a session last night ran like sh1t and lost 40% of bankroll lol

What? Ummm... that should never happen. How are you losing 40% in one night? Dude... are you playing above your bankroll? Maybe invest in Tilt breaker or something if you're having trouble stopping? Talk to me here.

 

[John A]

I apologize. Agg: 2.75

Ok, cool. I'll try and do this today or Monday. Ubber busy weekend coming up again.

 

[Figaroo2]

Ultra dry board

Just after some guidance on dry boards in general...
What are you peeps doing here?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $10.71 (107.1 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $4.64 (46.4 bb)
MP: $17.30 (173 bb)
CO: $11.25 (112.5 bb)PIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 66
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, BB folds, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.40) 2

4

A

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.16, CO calls $2.16, BTN folds

Turn: ($7.72) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.99 and is all-in,
Hero??
I checked here because I suspect there would be more value in letting a very aggro player take over the betting here than just folding out his weaker holdings
As expected he leaps all over my check here and I was going to call him down, but his shove took me a little by surprise!
I'm not giving him many small pairs here but i'm a bit concerned about AK.
He has previously called 3 times and folded 3times to 3bets preflop. (no 4bets+)

 

[kmart99]

Id just call down all brick Rivers. If you XR this turn , what happens to your check call range? It gets effed.

 

[rhombus]

Id just call down all brick Rivers. If you XR this turn , what happens to your check call range? It gets effed.

Cant XR Turn as villain is all in

Easy Call for Pot against aggro. Possible has 222, 444, 888 maybe A8 but has alot more weaker Aces and betting to protect against flush draw, or has suited cards and as you have shown weakness mabe trying to blast you off 99-QQ

 

[Aces2w1n]

ez fold esp given 3bet and ur in the blinds

your always going to have an ace there .
. depends if villain is thinking tho or just aggro monkey

ak would prolly jam pre. not enough history to judge

 

[John A]

Just after some guidance on dry boards in general...
What are you peeps doing here?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $10.71 (107.1 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $4.64 (46.4 bb)
MP: $17.30 (173 bb)
CO: $11.25 (112.5 bb)PIP: 23, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 7.0, Hands: 66
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

A

2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, BB folds, CO calls $0.85, BTN calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.40) 2

4

A

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.16, CO calls $2.16, BTN folds

Turn: ($7.72) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.99 and is all-in,
Hero??
I checked here because I suspect there would be more value in letting a very aggro player take over the betting here than just folding out his weaker holdings

Ok, but it's MW and what kind of hands would he be bluffing with?

As expected he leaps all over my check here and I was going to call him down, but his shove took me a little by surprise!
I'm not giving him many small pairs here but i'm a bit concerned about AK.
He has previously called 3 times and folded 3times to 3bets preflop. (no 4bets+)

I guess more people are not 4-betting AK pre-flop, but you should still discount it. I think with this kind of player you're going to see AK (maybe 50% of the time), AQ (jam here w/ his aggression isn't horrible), A8s, 4c5c, 5c6c (floating flop and looking for re-steal, even though it's a bad play MW), and probably 88 (half the time), 44 (half the time - just a bad call, and remove 22 for balance), AA (half the time). What else do you see, and if there's something else to add then add it and punch it up.

 

[rhombus]

What? Ummm... that should never happen. How are you losing 40% in one night? Dude... are you playing above your bankroll? Maybe invest in Tilt breaker or something if you're having trouble stopping? Talk to me here.

combination of run bad, play bad, tilt and play above bankroll. Had just over had just over $200 left on stars and lost $86 EEK