Preflop:
I'm on the button, and there are 3 limps to the CO, who makes it $17. I'd only been at the table a few orbits, but I had reason to believe he was positionally aware, and trying to iso, or at least value raise wide in position. I cal, as do 2 others.
Flop: ($60) (4 players)
The actions checks around to me, and I bet $30. SB (preflop over-caller) calls, and the others fold.
Turn: ($120) (2 players)
He checks, and I decide to check back, with some showdown value, and planning to evaluate any river bets I face.
River: ($210) (3 players)
He checks, and I check back.
well played but betting on this type of wet board versus multiple villains is risky business cause your definitely gonna get looked up by FD's,maybe TPTK ,bizarre 2 pairs and all SD's. (not to mentions sets)
Agree with Vinyl. Not sure it's profitable to bet into 3 players with King high even with position on all of them. There are a ton of hands that have you beat here that aren't going to bet but will call down.
well played but betting on this type of wet board versus multiple villains is risky business cause your definitely gonna get looked up by FD's,maybe TPTK ,bizarre 2 pairs and all SD's. (not to mentions sets)
Well frankly, the fact that it's wet is part of what makes it okay to bet imo. Either mega-dry or fairly wet are good textures to bet in MW pots in position, because obv on dry boards people can only connect with one pair type hands usually, and on wet boards they have tons of weak hands and draws.
Fwiw, I don't think any player at this table is going to x/c two pair or better here. So I risk $30 to win $60 (if I take the pot down 1/3 of the time or more, I'm outright profiting), and when someone x/c me, I pretty much know exactly where they're at range-wise (weak pair, which I can barrel them off of on a lot of turns and rivers, or draws).
Obv if I get x/r I'm not like 3bet jamming the flop with K-high, so I don't really see how it can be bad. Getting looked up by draws isn't bad, since we're ahead of every straight draw, and many, MANY flush draws. (If these were the types of players who are only in there with the nut flush draw it might be different, or I'd take a diff line, like bet flop/check back turn/bet river to make them fold missed draws that beat me.)
Could be results-oriented thinking on my part, but I don't think so. Only thing I don't like about my line is flop bet size - I can bet $25ish and accomplish the same thing.
I think river might be a little thin here just cause I'm not convinced she bets Jx at all, but sizing made me feel like she might bet/call small with some Jx.
Preflop:
In the CO, in a straddled pot, there are two limpers to me and I over-limp. Folds to the straddler, who checks. We go 4way to the flop:
Flop: ($20) (4 players)
Straddler checks, EP limper leads $15, MP limper calls, I call, and the straddler folds.
Turn: ($65) (3 players)
EP checks, MP bets $20, I call, EP folds.
River: ($105) (2 players)
MP bets $20, I make it $40.
She calls and has T4s for a chop.
Preflop:
In SB, 5 limps to me, and I make it $17. One caller, who had posted a missed blind and checked in the CO.
Flop: ($35) (2 players)
I bet $20, CO calls.
Turn: ($75) (2 players)
I doubt I'm getting her to fold much here, so I check. She checks behind.
River: ($75) (3 players)
I check, and CO bets $20. I'm getting a sick price, but more importantly, I can't think of many hands she bets for value on this river that don't bet the turn. I call.
She tanks and reluctantly turns over JTss for a missed FD. I scoop with K high.
KQss hand - look, it's not my default decision either, but i think we've got to be aware of these opportunities in position. I wonder whether a 2nd barrel on the turn would have accomplished anything. Easy to say while knowing what villain was holding.
Can also see this working better at live 1/2 more than online by virtue of ranges being weaker. Does that make any sense? Online, my opponents on average enter pots much stronger so I don't want to mess around too much. Here, it cost you $47 to win a $210 pot with very little strength shown by anyone.
64dd – I think it’s fine otr. Raising turn might be cool too.
KQo – I give up after the flop. Is that bad? School me! Lol...
(Post spoiler: “I can't think of many hands she bets for value on this river that don't bet the turn” good analysis, that and the price = good call. Would you have folded to a $50 bet there?)
KQ on 7-high board, I'm not barreling unders to the board really - overs to the board are good cards to barrel. Since 7x or 6x will often fold to a second or third barrel.
KQ on A-high board, a lot of the time I default give up, but I kind of had a live read as well on her bet. She hesitated, and changed her mind on sizing, and just looked uncomfortable. But I think even without live read the line is prob fine.
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop:(12.5 BB, 4 players) 3:heart: K:diamond: 8:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB, BTN raises to 57 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 50 BB, CO raises to 345 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 173.5 BB and is all-in
Turn:(530.5 BB, 3 players) 6:club:
River:(530.5 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond:
Hero shows 9:heart: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings)
Main Pot [183.5 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 41%, Turn 24%)
Side Pot#1 [347 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 46%, Turn 27%)
CO shows K:club: A:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
Main Pot [183.5 BB]: (Pre 50%, Flop 57%, Turn 76%)
Side Pot#1 [347 BB]: (Pre 71%, Flop 54%, Turn 73%)
BTN shows J:heart: 5:heart: (High Card, King)
Main Pot [183.5 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
If I give CO AhKx and BTN any heart draw, I've got 35.9% equity in each pot.
EV(call it off vs. CO) = (35.9%)(357bb) - (64.1%)(173.5bb)
EV = 128.16bb - 111.21bb
EV ~ 17bb
Which is obv a worst case scenario, aside from like, one having a set and one having Axhh. But I think it's pretty hard for CO to have a set when he flats flop.
This is a hand I really struggled with both on and off the table. It's always tough because getting it in on the flop we will never be ahead, but will almost never be making an EV "mistake" (getting it in > folding), but it sucks to get it in behind. On the other hand, I feel like it's too face up to semi-thinking players when we hit our draw. The live reads also got a bit confusing for me.
Preflop:
In the BB, only 5-handed. Table has 7 stacks but two are up from the table atm. UTG folds, MP raises to $10, BTN calls, I call. No major reads on MP or BTN, but MP is definitely a reg. $150 effective stacks.
Flop: ($30) (3 players)
Money flop, in some ways, but very tricky to play. I take about 15 seconds (effectively a flop-tank) trying to decide between leading, check/calling, and x/raising and decide to check, probably calling a bet. MP bets $20, the BTN folds, I think for about 10 seconds and call.
Turn: ($65) (2 players)
I check fairly quickly, and villain bets $41. I go to call. I put in the $41, and villain quickly says, "it's $42." There was a $1 chip hiding underneath a $5 chip, so I throw in the extra $1 and we go to the river. Villain looks a little visibly uncomfortable, but he was a bit of a sweaty individual anyway, and I wasn't 100% confident in my read. It could have been the temperature in the room, the hand, or some other factor.
River: ($150) (2 players)
Complete blank, and I check, thinking I might get to see a cheap showdown a fair bit of the time, but villain quickly goes all in for his remaining ~$80. Villain still looks a little uncomfortable, but he's not afraid to make eye contact with me, but not staring either. Usually I'd interpret this as strength.
I tank for a while, running over the line in my head. To this player, it should be clear from past orbits that I'm a reg, so I expect him to have more air in his range, but his flop cbet on this board already hints at strength. There are a lot of combo draws that missed though. I think for about a minute and then ask, "will you show me if I fold?" Villain ignores me at first, then about 20 seconds later, goes, "I'll show you."
I think in the moment that this actually shows strength - that he was trying to decide how to respond, but then decided to talk to me. But he also didn't sound super confident. I am extremely back and forth, but I keep going back to his betting line, which reps a very strong range.
I tank for another minute or so and fold face-down. Villain snap-mucks from seat 9.
In retrospect, I wish I'd called. I think I misinterpreted his decision to claim he'd show me. I think the stall was him "being silent," and not wanting to give anything away, but then thinking that since I'm a reg, telling me he'd show it would represent more strength. Thus the odd delay, and the seeming discomfort throughout the hand (especially in speaking). I took a walk from the table after this hand because I was so on the edge about the decision and was a little frustrated. When I came back, the reg was gone - he had apparently bluffed off his stack to someone, which made me a bit MORE frustrated, since it seemed more clear I should have called. But I didn't have that info at the time, so oh well.
Got a bit lost in this hand, though I think my only alternative option would have been to raise the flop.
Preflop:
In MP, I'm the third limper into the pot, and both blinds call. We go 5-way to the flop:
Flop: ($10) (5 players)
Blinds check, first limper (EP) bets $10, I call, and both blinds call.
Turn: ($45) (4 players)
BB leads $20 and EP folds. I call, and the SB folds. HU to the river:
River: ($85) (2 players)
BB checks, and since I beat every draw, get value from nothing, and probably get nothing better to fold, I check it back.
He shows QJo and I muck.
This next hand I'm pretty unhappy with how I played the river. I basically put villain on approximately what he had, and made a very optimistic thin value/thin bluff. I thought that he would either fold something like TT, or maybe even hero with AK, but I think both of those are unrealistic. I also don't think he's going to bet AK on the river if I check, which means betting river has literally no purpose.
Preflop:
In the BB. A tight player ($140) raises to $10 from MP, and the HJ calls, as do I. 3-way to the flop:
Flop: ($30) (3 players)
I check, unsure whether I want to x/r or x/c. MP bets $15, HJ folds, and I elect to just call.
Turn: ($55) (2 players)
I check, definitely fine with a free card, and allowing for the possibility to x/r if I get any kind of read based on bet-sizing. MP checks behind.
Hi scourrge - just time for the one.
A4dd - it does feel like you would have been right to call otr, but you'll never really know, so best to let it go. As to earlier decisions, i think i prefer in order of preference a) c/c flop as you did, then c/f turn. Or b) c/r flop all in. Clearly b is the higher variance play (hey, maybe it even sux), but i do prefer that to c/calling the turn.
He looks so passive, but his sizing made me feel like I was ahead. I didn't see much point in betting the river at the time, but looking back at it, it seems like he can call with some stuff. Not sure if b/f or x/c is better though?
