Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

[Matt Vaughan]

First blog post for CC is up. Read it and... weep?

Sleep, Eat, Grind: Love What You Do

 

[Mr Sandbag]

I'll admit it. There was a tear or two.

 

[Marginal]

DegeneratE

 

[somersetlad9]

Sometimes falling asleep at the table is as good as balancing your range in terms of giving off reverse tells.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I have missed alot obviously.


What's up fooooos.....


Scourrge, you cashed 5th in a big one? Going to vegas? I am too lazy ATM to read back 20 pages.

Hey Bean! I wrote out a reply to this but apparently never actually posted it.

Anywho, yep I binked a decent amount in the MSPT for 5th. I went to Vegas for the wsop again this year. No big news there. Lost a lot in tourneys, won a bit in cash games.

How have you been! It's been a while.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Hey Bean! I wrote out a reply to this but apparently never actually posted it.

Anywho, yep I binked a decent amount in the MSPT for 5th. I went to Vegas for the WSOP again this year. No big news there. Lost a lot in tourneys, won a bit in cash games.

How have you been! It's been a while.

Been doing well. Working alot, playing poker on weekends. I have really been so busy the last year or so I haven't had time to post.

Now I have some time off, so I will be grinding alot and working on BR.


Nice to talk to you again.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Been doing well. Working alot, playing poker on weekends. I have really been so busy the last year or so I haven't had time to post.

Now I have some time off, so I will be grinding alot and working on BR.


Nice to talk to you again.

Awesome! I can relate to the whole busy-ness thing. Work is pretty hectic a lot of the time.

Hope you're able to stick around here some.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Awesome! I can relate to the whole busy-ness thing. Work is pretty hectic a lot of the time.

Hope you're able to stick around here some.

I have loads of hands to share. I will post them soon.

 

[Jzona1]

****ing 7 BI downswing the last 2 days. Just run so bad. Today get in a hand with ultra agro fish (has spewed at least 8 buy ins in 2 hours). Fish makes in 5x BB I 3 bet to ~15BB with KK, fish calls.
Flop is rainbow 10 high. Fish immediately pots it. I way over shove it for 3 BUY INS. I get snap calles. Turn is low. River A. Fish proudly flips over A 3.

One day ill win a big pot where im ahead. One day.

 

[Jzona1]

I think given I never really showed down any insane bluffs, anything you folded was probably valid.

I actually don't think it's as good a spot to bluff as it may have seemed from your perspective. Your bet was small, yes, but it's a big pot so smaller bet sizes are kind of warranted, and I think with such a small SPR it's pretty suicidal to try to bluff without the Ad at minimum there. In the actual spot I had a T-high flush. I hated to bomb it, but with the call as well I figured I might get him to spazz out. I doubted you were ever calling but flatting seems pretty terrible there I think.

Pretty funny you ended up stumbling over here. Hopefully see you around in the thread more. Doubt I'll make it down to the Horseshoe too regularly, but maybe once in a while. I enjoyed playing with you too.

Yeah i had QQ which was the overpair with the diamond draw. I didnt remember it was 3 handed. I assume a made flush is the most likely what you hold by a fair margin. I was hoping you told me you had AJ haha.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I have loads of hands to share. I will post them soon.

Looking forward to it.

Yeah i had QQ which was the overpair with the diamond draw. I didnt remember it was 3 handed. I assume a made flush is the most likely what you hold by a fair margin. I was hoping you told me you had AJ haha.

I'm really impressed that you didn't shove that, tbh. It may actually be okay to peel sometimes since we had some money behind, but you get yourself into kind of tricky situations when a low diamond hits the turn.

****ing 7 BI downswing the last 2 days. Just run so bad. Today get in a hand with ultra agro fish (has spewed at least 8 buy ins in 2 hours). Fish makes in 5x BB I 3 bet to ~15BB with KK, fish calls.
Flop is rainbow 10 high. Fish immediately pots it. I way over shove it for 3 BUY INS. I get snap calles. Turn is low. River A. Fish proudly flips over A 3.

One day ill win a big pot where im ahead. One day.

You should honestly probably be 3betting bigger than that. I don't know if this is 1/2 or 2/5, but you can easily get away with making it 4-5x his raise size.

All you can do here is genuinely congratulate him on a good catch and remember just how bad he's getting it in here. But man that is just nasty.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

$200 NLHE, live table, blinds $1/$2

Villain in question is fishy. He calls to wide, raises marginal hands, does not seem aware of position.

I have A-10o. I am in the BB. Effective stacks about $275.


Fishy dude opens to $10. 1 call from button. Raising range is probably PPs 8-8+, Q-10+. I call, go to flop 3-way.

Flop Ah-8h-5s.

I do not have a heart.

I check. Villain makes it $10, BTN calls. I think bet sizing is strange based on history. I think best play is to CR, and bomb any non-heart turn.

I CR to $30. Villain calls, and BTN calls (huh?).

Turn is 2c. Board Ah-8h-5s-2c


I bet $75. Villain tanks and tanks, and finally calls. BTN folds immediately. I think villain may have a FD or 10-10~K-K, possibly even A-x.


River 5c. Board Ah-8h-5s-2c-5c.

Villain has about $150, I have him covered slightly. I jam. He folds, quickly.



I am not too sure about this hand. What do you guys think?

 

[xdeucesx]

On mobile, but couple things I would change. x/r bigger otf imo + check river. If we think he's drawing, which highly likely given board, river brick will never get called off but he might try to stab with air. Weigh it against how many Ax and decide which is more profitable.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

On mobile, but couple things I would change. x/r bigger otf imo + check river. If we think he's drawing, which highly likely given board, river brick will never get called off but he might try to stab with air. Weigh it against how many Ax and decide which is more profitable.

CR to like $40?

Also, I just wasn't sure if he had A-x, or drawing. I wasn't sure what to do on river.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

If he raises marginal hands I'm assuming he's raising all Ax as well. So I'm bet/folding river for value expecting to get called by all Ax and possibly worse. Based on your description it sounds like he's capable of raising flop with strong top pair like AQ/AK, so that makes me discount those a little. Same with all sets and two pair hands.

 

[xdeucesx]

If he raises marginal hands I'm assuming he's raising all Ax as well. So I'm bet/folding river for value expecting to get called by all Ax and possibly worse. Based on your description it sounds like he's capable of raising flop with strong top pair like AQ/AK, so that makes me discount those a little. Same with all sets and two pair hands.

I just don't think we can b/f river with 150$ remaining and 275$ in the pot is all. Either we jam for value or x/c to let him stab. Again, depends imo, on how often he is capable of bluffing/how many Ax hands we want to give him.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

I just don't think we can b/f river with 150$ remaining and 275$ in the pot is all. Either we jam for value or x/c to let him stab. Again, depends imo, on how often he is capable of bluffing/how many Ax hands we want to give him.

I would say very, very low percentage of the time he bluffs river.

I thought bet was best cause I thought he may fold A-J~A-K based on line I took.


FWIW, I showed a 10 only after he mucked. He went on mega tilt and bought back in for $100 3 times. Left broke.


I really thought I played hand kinda badly overall. I felt like I just lucked out he didn't call, and he probably had me beat.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

I just don't think we can b/f river with 150$ remaining and 275$ in the pot is all. Either we jam for value or x/c to let him stab. Again, depends imo, on how often he is capable of bluffing/how many Ax hands we want to give him.

Oh oops didn't see stack sizes lol.

It's close because if we check it's an easy fold if he bets based on your read that he's barely ever bluffing. But if he's calling jams with all Ax or worse I would rather jam.

Not sure I'm ever jamming with the intention of folding out better though.

 

[xdeucesx]

I would say very, very low percentage of the time he bluffs river.

I thought bet was best cause I thought he may fold A-J~A-K based on line I took.


FWIW, I showed a 10 only after he mucked. He went on mega tilt and bought back in for $100 3 times. Left broke.


I really thought I played hand kinda badly overall. I felt like I just lucked out he didn't call, and he probably had me beat.

Oh oops didn't see stack sizes lol.

It's close because if we check it's an easy fold if he bets based on your read that he's barely ever bluffing. But if he's calling jams with all Ax or worse I would rather jam.

Not sure I'm ever jamming with the intention of folding out better though.

Yeah, with the knowledge now that he never bluffs, it's an easy jam imo.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Another couple hands:

I am UTG with AdKs. Effective stacks about $220 (mine).

I open to $12. Super loose-aggro (played with him many times before) 3-bets me to $35.



Interesting side note:
When I sat down, this villain starts saying "fish, fishy fishy fish fish", and I know he is talking about me. He is mocking me. That was about 15 minutes before this hand.



Action folds to me. Villains range here is basically ATC, so I feel a 4- bet is in order. I decide to 4-bet to $100 (leaving me slightly over $100 back), and I am jamming all flops.


Flop Jd-10d-4c

I jam, villain snap folds.



Good? Bad? Standard?




Hand 2:

I have KsQs on BTN. Tight-ish dude makes it $15. I call, as does one other.


Flop 6h-3s-3c

Raiser bets $20. Dude in EP already has cards out and I know he's folding.

I have an instinct that dude has 2 overs, and I have larceny in mind. I decide to float.

I call, EP folds.

Turn 6s. Board 6h-3s-3c-6s

I know dude has none of this. Surprisingly, he bets $25. I think if I call one more street, I can fold dude out OTR. He has probably $80 back. I call with overs and FD.


River 7s. Board 6h-3s-3c-6s-7s.

Dude finally checks. Now the river changes everything for me. Now I actually have showdown value, and I don't need to bluff. He might call off with A-high, but unlikely.

I check through, and announce "flush".

Dude goes crazy, and berates me.

I scoop it.


I don't think I played this hand very well. I had $600 in chips starting, and was getting a little out of line floating maybe.


What do you guys think?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Deuces and Sand covered first hand. Bigger on flop. I go bigger on turn too I think. River bet can't be a bluff for us because he almost literally never HAS better. He bet $10 on the flop. That doesn't seem like AJ+ to me at all.

Hand 1. Depending on how wide he is flatting the 4bet, jamming most flops seems fine to me, and we definitely want to 4b if you really think he's 3betting 100%??

Hand 2. Flop call is fine if we know he's cbetting loads. I prefer to raise on the turn though, since he sometimes has 6 outs to make a pair, and it's going to be tough for us to represent anything on the river when we call two streets and an overcard hits the river (it usually will). Plus we have so much equity now with the flush draw that it's an even better spot to raise.

Why in the world are we checking the river though? I don't see how that makes any sense. If there's anything in his range he calls with, then we need to bet for value.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Hand 1 looks fine. Description of dynamics tempts me to 4b jam pre though. He might flip out.

Hand 2. Flop is okay. Turn is either a fold or raise. Like Scourrge said, it's gonna be difficult to rep anything on most rivers.

DEFINITELY betting this river for value. If he c/r it's a snap fold, but it's not going to happen. There is a 0% chance he has anything that beats us.

 

[duggs]

AK looks fine, villain is ****ing awful tho.

KQss bet river he can still call with 99+ he never checks better hands and it doesnt bother us if he folds. tbh tho i prefer raising flop or shoving turn, i also dont like floating guys with shorter stacks, makes it to hard for us to generate fold equity.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Thanks for the input as always guys.


I was thinking after the fact I should have raised turn on KQss hand. I really goofed that one.


And furthermore, a flop raise would have been ok I guess, but I bet he ships and I have a terrible decision ahead if I raise the flop. (KQ hand)

 

[duggs]

Thanks for the input as always guys.


I was thinking after the fact I should have raised turn on KQss hand. I really goofed that one.


And furthermore, a flop raise would have been ok I guess, but I bet he ships and I have a terrible decision ahead if I raise the flop. (KQ hand)

pretty easy fold, but is he shipping AK/AQ? if not easy fold, if so easy fold