Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

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Sigh. Mostly fun session, and mostly played quite solid. Started my session out by semibluff x-raising with weak TP + OESD, barreling the flush card turn and getting jammed on. So I started out down about $150.

Kept it together though, got a better seat, and went to work. Grinded it back to roughly even, then a maniac got to the table. He was open-jamming, iso-jamming, and 3b-jamming a 50ish bb stack like it was a tournament and he had 10 bb.

Eventually I picked up AK when he shoved $150 over a $10 open. I called, and the board ran out relatively dry, but with no pair for my hand. "Ace high" I said, and turned my hand over. He shook his head a little, looking disappointed... and flipped over 98 for a rivered pair and the pot. I was a little frustrated, to say the least, but I obviously wasn't even that massive of a favorite AIPF.

I had another interesting hand where I got a reasonably good reg to spew vs me. He only had aboot $150 to start the hand, and I 3b his open of $11 to $35 with QQ. He flatted and we went HU to 753tt. He checked, and I cbet $40, expecting him to view this sizing as somewhat weak. As I hoped, he thought for a little bit and x/jammed. I quickly called, and the board ran out runner clubs to put 4 to a flush. I rivered a set as well, but didn't need it, as he turned over TT with no club.

Got into another spot vs. the maniac where he opened to $15 in EP, I 3b to $45 with AA, and we had some banter. He asked if I had AA, and I nodded vigorously. Someone said, "poker players never lie," and pretending to backtrack, I said "wait! Then I don't have aces! Um, wait, maybe I do." It was overall a friendly table and a talkative one, so I didn't feel I was giving anything away - I'd been talking during heads up hands a fair bit.

He said something about "let's put it all in I guess" and I snap called and turned my hand over. I shrugged and commented that "89s is probably gonna be good here." He shrugged back at me and the flop came T72r. I didn't bother looking at his face for a reaction - I felt pretty damn good about my hand. The turn came a 6, and the river a J, and he didn't turn over his hand. I was pretty confident I'd won the pot.

Then he turned over 89.

The table exploded. Not only had I called his hand exactly - I had also called that it would be good before the board came out. I was a little less ecstatic than the rest of them, as I'd just lost the entire $271 worth of the villain's stack in another AIPF situation against 89.

Ended the session down just $260, which I think is pretty sweet. The only hand I felt I misplayed was one with AJ against a tight player where I called his preflop $11 iso raise BB vs SB and a $15, $35, and $60 all in bet on A44 two tone, To, 7o.

The turn call felt like a mistake, and the river was a super easy fold, but I just couldn't let go of it after I called the turn that time. Overall quite pleased with my play for the night though, especially given the things that went wrong.
 
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Yep those are the frustrating nights when the maniac just seems to hit whatever she needs to hit. Hopefully you'll run into him again.
 
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Unlucky with the 89 hand man. I woulda been so pissed to say the least but whatevs. At least it sounds like your happy with the nights end result. Obviously "in the green " woulda been great too but 89 is the new AA.
 
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hows shit man? entering bad friend territory with thread posting
 
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I saw you posted like 10 million hands so I didn't get in there to post lol.

Finally booked a winning session last weekend. 2ish BI. Was good to win, but another maniac running super hot at the table meant I should have left with a lot more. Made one really bad call vs him that cost me over a BI.

Was a disgustingly bad call. He was super talkative, so I talked with him after he shoved all in and literally everything screamed he had the nuts. So I obv called cause I'd turned TPTK lol.

Anyway, work pretty hectic, gf is back from holiday travel, and a bunch of crap going on with poker. Got invited to a 1/2 plo private game that charges $2 max rake and has a decent dealer. Prob can't go for a few weeks, but looking forward to it.

Gonna be writing an article for CC this week about denomination and distribution of chips in home games.

Trying to get back into online by playing some 25 PLO on Bovada. Depo'd $200, lost 2 BI in my first session. Nothing too crazy, just didn't really make any hands, made a few bluffs that I shouldn't have with my losing image probably. Hoping to get into a routine of playing several times a week again - just so hard to balance when my gf is here now.
 
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you don't have to post on all of them, just post something,

confirmed bad friend
 
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10 million hands confirmed turn off to post on a thread ...
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Playing PLO with 8bi's, 6 after first session not ideal when trying to get back online, why not 10PLO?
Aside of that how is the game for you?, is it hard to find time to play online with gf around or is just not apealing much to get there.

After a week break finding really hard to get back.
 
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its hardly millions of hands...
 
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millions obviously a exageration but it was 10 hands (plus one on next post) and was first of the year so yeah, turn off.

Personally if see more than 3 and hands are not even numbered then i just go away.
 
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bit ironic coming from you but whatevs unsub then
 
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Was just telling why is a turn off, i know i do that myself some times, not 10 but like 5-6 sure, some times we not get even one worth to post and some times get a bunch i get it,
is just too time consuming as if start with couple end looking the rest too.

I know is dishearthening, was just pointing that posting too many hands is usually a reason to not get many replys as if people not got much time to reply to all hands usually just skip to comment on any.
Posting less at the time make it easy to comment, a sugestion is to post the hands in a notepad and copy paste from there to here so you have a bunch of hands to post for several days and not necesarily have to post all in one post.

Matt thread and yours are the only ones left that read every time login, so not want to unsub was just trying to point out reason is a turn off cause when have short time and look so many hands you know is going to take too much time to reply so just move on to next thread, no need to take it bad.

Posting less hands next time could do wonders, w/e unsub sounds harsh and surely hurt more than help.
 
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duggs you know I always get back into it eventually.

But yeah, with my gf around now it's hard to find the time for quality poker in general. Grinding, posting, training vids, etc. As logan says, it's a time thing more than anything else. Very often the only time I'm posting on CC is in the morning before work. If I don't have time to post on more than 1 or 2 hands, but I see upwards of 6, it feels silly to post on just 2 (particularly if against the same villain).

I get that it might still contribute something, just commenting on the mentality involved - sort of a "why bother if I can only comment on 30% of these."

@Logan: With regards to the amount of money I have on Bovada, it's not like $200 ($150 now) is my whole roll. I wouldn't be play stakes of PLO where I needed my whole roll at this point online. It's soft, but the mistakes I make online are bigger so I'm less confident in my edge.

But that being said, I'm not going to play a game (10 PLO) that I have 500 BI for... The only reason I'm bothering with 25 in the first place is so I can dabble and get a bit better while still sort of caring about aiming for a winning session.

I also am down a fair bit my last 20k hands at bovada, so just didn't feel like depo'ing a whole bunch right away. I want to see how this goes before making a decision about putting on more.
 
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Subscribed,

Good Luck!

Thanks for the sub. :)

Here's a hand from the other night. Table is generally passive, no huge spots, and with several reasonably good regs. Table is on the tighter side.

Preflop: :as4: :8s4:
EP limps, I overlimp in MP, and the BTN makes it $12. The BB, a decent reg calls, as does the EP limper. I over-call.

Flop: ($45) :jd4: :7s4: :6s4: (4 players)
It checks to me, and I consider leading, but I figure I will just end up keeping better hands in most of the time and making worse hands fold. I check, probably to x/c rather than x/r. The PFR checks it back.

Turn: ($45) :6h4: (4 players)
The BB leads for $20, and it folds to me. I know that when the PFR checks behind on the button, he can't have much on this board, so I'm basically playing a HU pot now. BB's range is technically uncapped, but so is mine, and I can make the stronger bet by raising. I suspect he will fold all his air, continue with worse draws, and strongly consider folding two pair hands (pair on the board). I have plenty of suited 6x in my range, and he probably perceives more there than there really is as well.

I raise to $55 and it folds to BB. He thinks for a short while and calls. I'm now pretty sure he has a J, but I think I can get him to fold it on a lot of rivers with a bet.

River: ($155) :5c4: (2 players)
He checks fairly quickly to me, and I think for a while and bet $115.
 
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I think it looks good but is just completely reg dependent. Some regs just won't fold a J here when it all bricks, some will. I think a 5 isn't a great card for us obv, but again, do you think the reg can fold a J? If yes, looks fine. Obv if not, xb.

If this is a live casino, I honestly probably check back a lot since I doubt most 1/2 regs are honestly folding a J here. But obviously you would know better since you were in the game.
 
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I don't think I'm a fan of any part of this hand tbh. Seems weird to overlimp that hand in MP. I prefer raising or folding. Not sure if BB actually has much air on the turn, and I don't agree with the assumption that he's folding two pair or even a JJ. Not a great river card for us either.

Obv you know the players in the game better than I do though. So you could potentially be right on the turn.
 
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I don't think I'm a fan of any part of this hand tbh. Seems weird to overlimp that hand in MP. I prefer raising or folding. Not sure if BB actually has much air on the turn, and I don't agree with the assumption that he's folding two pair or even a JJ. Not a great river card for us either.

Obv you know the players in the game better than I do though. So you could potentially be right on the turn.

Exactly what I was saying but far more articulately said :)
 
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Im not a fan of the overlimp is it going to stop a good hand further around the table from raising?, probably not in which case its a waste.
What are your thought processes for the turn sizing?
On the turn your bet of 55 makes the pot 120 with him having to put in 35 to call. He isn't going away to that sizing with any draw or J. Id bite your hand off for those odds.
With the nut flush draw id be wanting to call his 20 and then bet full pot 95 to only give him 2-1 to continue. my turn bet would be 115 in total. I like to save my big semi bluffing for hands like this, although id be happier if the board hadn't paired. If we win on the turn then fine for me, we won with A high....and the extra money going in now means if we hit our hand on the river it makes it easier to get stacks in on the end. if he calls and we miss we know we are beat and don't need invest another cent .
As played your river bet and turn bet combined is 55 more than making the raise bigger on the turn .
As played your river sizing looks like value and hopefully got the job done but if you got outdrawn by a straight i can see why.
 
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I should have said "decent reg that actually hand reads and thinks hands through." I wouldn't have raised the turn if I didn't think he was good enough to fold a J on the river, but I guess I was unsure about whether calling or raising was better.

I just saw that I was the one best capable of representing a 6, and if I just called, my range seems pretty transparent. I always have a weakish J or a flush draw. Plus, does no one think he can have air on the turn when he sizes it so small? Again, he's a decent reg, not a live fish.

I won't say I was right for sure, I def could have gotten lucky that he folded, but I'm surprised the hand was universally hated lol. No one thinks I represent a 6 here?? Like if he's hand-reading here at all it looks like I have 65, 76, A6s, 66, 77 and maybe even some stuff like 86s and 64s. And he has to put me on exactly a missed flush draw to call with a J OTR, and if he thinks I'm going crazy with air on paired boards, then he has to put 98s in my range too.

Anyway thanks for input guys. Result is that he tanked for a couple minutes and folded a jack faceup, saying he thought I had 76.
 
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turn is a bit too small, river is fine as played.

its pre flop i find yuck, I'm pretty tempted to either have a limp/repop range and a limp/call range or just iso quite wide.

I would be c/r flop rather than x/c it
 
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I mean your post play is super read-dependent because it could just as easily be pure spew against a lot of players.

Agree with duggs though - pre is the part I dislike most. I'd prefer to raise or fold, and since it's a tight passive table I'd lean towards raising.
 
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The thing I don't like about the last hand is that most regs aren't in the habit of calling raises for one street to then fold the next when almost nothing changes. OESD did get there and that is a hand we definitely want to raise OTT rather than call, in fact I'd be more tempted to raise OESD OTT than our current hand. Pre is kinda weird but it's live and you are better than most, if not all these players so like w/e you have edge.
 
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I should have said "decent reg that actually hand reads and thinks hands through." I wouldn't have raised the turn if I didn't think he was good enough to fold a J on the river, but I guess I was unsure about whether calling or raising was better.

I just saw that I was the one best capable of representing a 6, and if I just called, my range seems pretty transparent. I always have a weakish J or a flush draw. Plus, does no one think he can have air on the turn when he sizes it so small? Again, he's a decent reg, not a live fish.

I won't say I was right for sure, I def could have gotten lucky that he folded, but I'm surprised the hand was universally hated lol. No one thinks I represent a 6 here?? Like if he's hand-reading here at all it looks like I have 65, 76, A6s, 66, 77 and maybe even some stuff like 86s and 64s. And he has to put me on exactly a missed flush draw to call with a J OTR, and if he thinks I'm going crazy with air on paired boards, then he has to put 98s in my range too.

Anyway thanks for input guys. Result is that he tanked for a couple minutes and folded a jack faceup, saying he thought I had 76.

I'm not sure how many people were dealt into this hand to begin with. Going by my starting hand guide (lol) we're supposed to be folding this hand in middle positon. The rest of the hand is a mystery to me.
 
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