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hellomynameiswhat
Rock Star
Silver Level
I have never played live, but this is good info. If I play live at some point I will remember this. I don't like when I am in a new situation and don't know the etiquette.
I have never played live, but this is good info. If I play live at some point I will remember this. I don't like when I am in a new situation and don't know the etiquette.
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megiverz1
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't think I would look at anybody thinking they are unskilled laborers lucky to work at minimum wage. " Unskilled jobs" represent most of the work available in the world and some the most vital to the economy.
I think it's fair tipping them as they deal with many difficult customers.
That being said, I do not tip every winning hand especially when the pot is small. But I do tip them whenever I get a decent pot. Usually 1 to 4 dollars.
I think it's fair tipping them as they deal with many difficult customers.
That being said, I do not tip every winning hand especially when the pot is small. But I do tip them whenever I get a decent pot. Usually 1 to 4 dollars.
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megiverz1
Rock Star
Silver Level
Extra note. Poker is one of the least financial interesting game for a casino. Even though you think the few percents they take in rake is a lot, it's almost nothing compared to any other game they offer. Take it as a privilege they even offer it to us costumers...
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Criminal Bizzy
Rock Star
Silver Level
It depends on the casino that you are in. I have seen a casino provide a drop box for the dealer to carry around and if they get tipped they drop it in that box. I have seen casinos where the dealer will simply put it in their shirt pocket. I have seen casinos where the dealer uses a cup holder and empties the cup holder at the end of their time at the table. I have even seen casinos where the dealers where a fanny pack to put chips in.
The casinos themselves are trusting the dealers and if there is ever any question or discrepancies in the rake, they eye in the sky sees all.
Poker_Mike
Legend
Loyaler
That's their job to do that, just like it is a postman's job or a dealers job, people deserve a living wage and not to depend on people like you for their wage, you don't employ them. If you want to tip them, that's good that you do, but to do it because it is the expected thing is another story.
What if a postman delivered you a cheque, or Grandma sent you $10 for xmas, surely the postman deserves a tip then.
A tipping culture is kinda socialistic for a country so hell bent on capitalism, imho, everyone is helping to pay each others wages while the ones with deep pockets don't reach into said pockets. Casino owners can be considered social capitalists I suppose, they believe the people should pay their staff wages while they make massive profits.
e.g. How much do you think a $100.00 steak dinner actually costs a casino to prepare, clue is it's no where near $100.00. Why do we have wholesale and retail prices, how much is written off on tax that still comes at your expense when casino's minimise their taxes.
I may sound like a commie to you, I'm not, I'm a unionist that thinks people that make companies billions of dollars in profits should be paid what they are worth, just like I think executive salaries are a joke, they never break a sweat for millions of dollars annually.
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Totally agree with you and another reason that they should be paid properly for their skills.
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FYP slightly.
We used do a similar thing at Xmas for our rubbish collectors, shit can collectors (pre sewerage or septic days in some areas, now those guys below deserved a tip, I remember them with overfull cans with no lids like in the pics and the contents dripping down their backs), also mailmen and milkmen back in the day when people knew each other and interacted, usually some beer left out with the rubbish or in letterbox or where milk was delivered, now that it's all done by side lift trucks no one does it anymore, and postmen go by on small motorbikes that no one ever talks to them anymore, if you do it's just for a second or two and with their helmet on they usually can't hear you anyway.
Not having played in the US or had to tip a dealer, I'm curious as to where do the dealers put the tips, it sounds like it would be an extra thing that security would have to watch over, I'd rather they have their attention on people cheating.
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Might see black jack dealers with this also?
The box is locked and they give the box to the cage at the end of every shift. The cage opens it and counts it and then adds that money to their paycheck so that they can pay appropriate taxes.
The cameras are always watching but if they make some huge mistake like accidentally dropping a player's $100 chip they call the floor over and follow the floor's instructions.
As you can see the box hangs off the edge of the table. It often hangs between the dealer and the 9-seat.
Hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting this pic.
S3mper
Poker Not Checkers
Loyaler
It may not be as financially rewarding for them as some of the other games but they benefit from offering a wide variety of games. Not to mention promotional value of wsop, MSPT, HPT etc..
Besides slots are probably their most profitable offerings and tipping slot machine operators is common practice as well.
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rusty1007
Rising Star
Bronze Level
You can tip whatever you want and don't have to justify it to anyone. The numbers all even out per hour. Based on your mentality you seem like someone who constantly bitches about tiny mistakes if any are made, so that kind of kills your unskilled laborer thing. It's like going to a restaurant and bitching that a 17 or 19 year old is serving you but turning around and thinking working at a place like that is an unskilled job that shouldn't make a livable wage.
And you must be new to poker because if you have been playing awhile and are still at 1/3 limits it's not the rake that's causing you not to beat the game.
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fletchdad
Was good while it was good. It no longer is.
Loyaler
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rusty1007
Rising Star
Bronze Level
For the record I tip. In fact I probably over tip, but I don't play much live so it's not adding up like it would if I were to play 5 times a week.
I would like to see tipping done away with. And its not because I think dealers shouldn't be making enough money to get by. I think their employers should be paying them a fair wage.
The counter argument ITT from this point seems to be "Then they will raise the rake"
I don't necessarily think this argument is as strong as it may look on its face for a couple of reasons (Correct me if I'm wrong)
1- At a certain point the rake would be unplayable (it's already almost there as it is at the lower stakes) and players would stop coming. Forcing the poker room to lower the rake. Or to close its poker rooms doors.
2- A competitor would see this as a great opportunity to keep their rake low(ish) (lower?) compensating their losses on paying their employees with an increase in traffic. - Which in return would force the other casinos to lower their rake again.
Though I can see #2 not working in areas where a casino has a monopoly on gambling in its region.
Too bad the US doesn't view tipping like Japan where it's considered rude to tip
Tipping actually benefits all parties involved.
The Casino - Allows them to employ more people because of the lower wage, the ability to use your main resource in a casino space (their real estate if you will) to provide better customer service by accomadating the players with a game that is the least profitable in a casino (where they could just use that area for slots.
The Players - The ability to a countless casinos and play live or tournament poker (customer service) if I game of skill that can be profitable.
The Dealers - Being a dealer I can speak to this directly. Come up with an hourly rate that you think a poker dealer should make per hour. Ok, add $5 to that number. I won't tell you exactly what I make, all I am going to say is it would be a huge pay cut.
To close, this is more of a personal note that does not go across the board for all dealers. I got a pretty good degree that most people make a very nice living as a career. I was in school with people, and friends, that went into professions that required PHD's, law degrees, and what not, as well as dealing with doctors, lawyers and what not. The only people in this world with truly specialized skill sets that only 3% of humanity have the ability to do are engineers, surgeons, top level mathematicians, scientists, musicians, and what not. There are so many factors in why a lot of people end up in the career they are in. I know that was more of OP's thing but just some food for thought.
Lenka65
Visionary
Bronze Level
opinion
I think rake is illegal. Tipping has become a mandatory fee. It is not right. I think there should be a fixed fee every time you visit the room. One-time and one-off. All the rest is impudent extortion from the players.
I think rake is illegal. Tipping has become a mandatory fee. It is not right. I think there should be a fixed fee every time you visit the room. One-time and one-off. All the rest is impudent extortion from the players.
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zerosalex
Visionary
Bronze Level
Daing cold blooded. Normally I tip dealers at least $1 EVERY hand I win even if it's the lowest amount possible, also if it's a split pot and I get the extra chip I throw it back to the dealer. If I win a good amount of chips I'll tip accordingly 2,3,4,5 bucks. If I get lucky like winning with the inferior hand then I'll give extra. In the long run generosity and good karma pays off, everyone has to eat. Dealing is not unskilled labor. Specially if you deal multiple different games and you have to always do math on your head specially for the pot limit omaha games that can get crazy. I think minimum wage is too low of a pay for all dealers.
sarjdgo
Rock Star
Silver Level
S3mper has done the best post at this thread, and i agree with him, specially in the quoted words.
Porras2424
Rock Star
Silver Level
Of course, according to the friends of yes ,,, of course if you are on an incredibly good day ... the tip should be an obligation, and if you are on a bad streak good bay, it will be the next one, we all deserve at some point a gratification of goodwill ... good luck touching your pocket ,,,,,,
AKQ
Legend
Bronze Level
When I was a server if i had 5 tables and made 2 $ off each table an hour thats 10$ an hr
If i got 5$ per table thats 25$ an hr
If i see the dealer making too much I don't feel inclined to tip and i wont for winning hands
A fun thing that is an angle shoot in a way is
look at your cards then tip the dealer as you 3x preflop raise. lol
If i got 5$ per table thats 25$ an hr
If i see the dealer making too much I don't feel inclined to tip and i wont for winning hands
A fun thing that is an angle shoot in a way is
look at your cards then tip the dealer as you 3x preflop raise. lol
Goku55
Rock Star
Bronze Level
You always tip while you’re winning
You’ve got to share the wealth with the dealers as well as the servers, especially in poker you have every opportunity to walk away with profits those people are making a living dealing cards.
You’ve got to share the wealth with the dealers as well as the servers, especially in poker you have every opportunity to walk away with profits those people are making a living dealing cards.
ghitocarcia
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Tipping dealers doesn't work for me. Because just as they give me good letters, sometimes they also give me trash of letters. it's their job and they already earn money for it. Why am I going to increase their earnings by tipping them? I may seem stingy, greedy but that's how I am.
that's talking about playing live poker. Online obviously you cannot give tips, the rooms always win, otherwise they would stop operating
that's talking about playing live poker. Online obviously you cannot give tips, the rooms always win, otherwise they would stop operating
S3mper
Poker Not Checkers
Loyaler
Where I'm yet again expected to tip. Tipping slot attendants is the norm.
Are there no live games where tipping isn't happening? Also, table games are used as a way to get more players into more -EV games.
Also in games where players have -EV to the house players are expected to tip. It blows my mind that a player who is expected to lose $5-$25 an hour (Depending on their bet size) is expected to pay an addition tax to tip.
So I should be tipping less
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If tipping is a must in the industry I think the casinos should incentivize it as I mentioned above. If I throw the dealer a $1 chip he should throw me a $1 chip that can be redeemed for slots.
The dealer gets their tip
The player loses less EV
The casino gets players to their most profitable game.
Kenzie 96
Legend
Loyaler
General rule of thumb, if you get your philosophical positions from an effin movie, you don't have one. Hang on to your money.
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mucklove
Rising Star
Bronze Level
If you think dealers are unskilled, I BEG you to please go in and audition for a dealing job at a casino and PLEASE report back and tell us how you did. Its an unskilled job, you should be hired on the spot, right?
The vast majority of dealers DO NOT make min wage. They are considered TIPPED employees and are paid $4-6/hour.
All these examples of "I dont tip the mailman." As if mail people make $4/hour in an industry where tipping as compensation is the standard.
If you truly take issue with this standard, then you should contact your representatives to raise/eliminate the tipped worker credit. Which is what alllows employers to pay less than min wage. There are several reps in congress working on making that happen.
Non-tippers are gonna be non-tippers and will find any excuse for it. Just dont be surprised next time you want to straddle and the dealer gets the cards out faster than you can get your straddle out and its "sorry, straddle must be posted before the cards are dealt"
Make sure you cry extra loud when the dealer makes a ruling against you, mucks your cards, or hits you with a "oops" burn and turn before youve acted. Because I assure you, that dealer is savoring every non-tipping tear you drop. Im sure its all "coincidence". Dont blame the dealer. Good unskilled help is hard to find at only $4/hour.
Good luck
The vast majority of dealers DO NOT make min wage. They are considered TIPPED employees and are paid $4-6/hour.
All these examples of "I dont tip the mailman." As if mail people make $4/hour in an industry where tipping as compensation is the standard.
If you truly take issue with this standard, then you should contact your representatives to raise/eliminate the tipped worker credit. Which is what alllows employers to pay less than min wage. There are several reps in congress working on making that happen.
Non-tippers are gonna be non-tippers and will find any excuse for it. Just dont be surprised next time you want to straddle and the dealer gets the cards out faster than you can get your straddle out and its "sorry, straddle must be posted before the cards are dealt"
Make sure you cry extra loud when the dealer makes a ruling against you, mucks your cards, or hits you with a "oops" burn and turn before youve acted. Because I assure you, that dealer is savoring every non-tipping tear you drop. Im sure its all "coincidence". Dont blame the dealer. Good unskilled help is hard to find at only $4/hour.
Good luck