WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
There is actually a decent amount of wiggle room at most furniture places and the salespeople work on commission, so yeah, exactly like car sales.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I finally got a chance to play this afternoon/tonight. When i first walked in the brush talked me into playing there $100 "deep stack" tourney. LMFAO blinds jumped at one point from 500/1k to 1k/2k. Any way about 36 players,when we made it to the final table of 10 one guy says do we all want to chop, we all agreed THANK GOD. $360 total so after a $10 tip profit of $250.
I then played some 300nl.
HON
Hero and villain ~$600 effective stacks.
UTG straddles to $6, UTG+1 calls $6,folds,Hero in the CO with Kd9d raises to $24 total,folds, UTG calls,UTG+1 calls.
flop Ad3d4c
UTG bets $55,UTG+1 folds,Hero calls
turn 9c
UTG checks,Hero checks
river 3c
UTG bets $150,hero???tanks for like 5min
I talk the hand over out loud. About 4min in my tank i say "you know if you flip your cards over it would make my decision a hell of a lot easier".
The whole table kind of chuckles,while i'm staring at villain i notice what i perceive to be a fake smile.
Thoughts??
Ended up on the night up $429 on the cash games +the $250 from the mind numbing donkament.
I then played some 300nl.
HON
Hero and villain ~$600 effective stacks.
UTG straddles to $6, UTG+1 calls $6,folds,Hero in the CO with Kd9d raises to $24 total,folds, UTG calls,UTG+1 calls.
flop Ad3d4c
UTG bets $55,UTG+1 folds,Hero calls
turn 9c
UTG checks,Hero checks
river 3c
UTG bets $150,hero???tanks for like 5min
I talk the hand over out loud. About 4min in my tank i say "you know if you flip your cards over it would make my decision a hell of a lot easier".
The whole table kind of chuckles,while i'm staring at villain i notice what i perceive to be a fake smile.
Thoughts??
Ended up on the night up $429 on the cash games +the $250 from the mind numbing donkament.
Not going to say just yet,CHEATERS
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Lol Cafe...
Before looking at spoiler:
I had to go back and re-read the hand cause I read it as an open and a 3bet... Oops. I'd sometimes over-call here just because we're in position and it's going to be easy to take pots away a lot of the time, but Isoing seems fine too.
The flop call is perhaps suspect unless you know he's going to be leading out with complete air and giving up the pot a lot on later streets. You've given no reads though so I'll assume there were none. He's going to do this a lot with aces in his hand, and perhaps flush draws, which I suppose makes the argument for calling the flop bet stronger.
Unfortunately he can check the turn with basically his entire flop betting range, either checking weaker aces for pot control, checking his air to give up, or checking something like two pair that is unlikely to get beaten. I'd probably err on the side of this indicating weakness, and I'd probably have gone for a semibluff here. The 9 helps us out a fair amount pot equity-wise, since it's likely that any 9 or any K gives us the best hand, as well as any diamond. I'd probably go about 50-60% pot.
As played, on the river, I'm not going to hero call here with no history, so unless you've got a VERY strong feeling of what the smile that you THINK is fake means, just fold. It's an enormous bet, and as a general rule, people don't bluff the river enough, or for big enough amounts.
After looking at spoiler:
You jerk
Before looking at spoiler:
I had to go back and re-read the hand cause I read it as an open and a 3bet... Oops. I'd sometimes over-call here just because we're in position and it's going to be easy to take pots away a lot of the time, but Isoing seems fine too.
The flop call is perhaps suspect unless you know he's going to be leading out with complete air and giving up the pot a lot on later streets. You've given no reads though so I'll assume there were none. He's going to do this a lot with aces in his hand, and perhaps flush draws, which I suppose makes the argument for calling the flop bet stronger.
Unfortunately he can check the turn with basically his entire flop betting range, either checking weaker aces for pot control, checking his air to give up, or checking something like two pair that is unlikely to get beaten. I'd probably err on the side of this indicating weakness, and I'd probably have gone for a semibluff here. The 9 helps us out a fair amount pot equity-wise, since it's likely that any 9 or any K gives us the best hand, as well as any diamond. I'd probably go about 50-60% pot.
As played, on the river, I'm not going to hero call here with no history, so unless you've got a VERY strong feeling of what the smile that you THINK is fake means, just fold. It's an enormous bet, and as a general rule, people don't bluff the river enough, or for big enough amounts.
After looking at spoiler:
You jerk
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Only read on villain was that he seemed to be better than 90% of the 1/3 regs i've played with this year. After hearing some of his conversation/strat he seemed to be somewhat knowledgeable and not a level one thinking players. With that said why would he donk a A high board?
Joebob's tip of the day,don't talk strat at the table.
Joebob's tip of the day,don't talk strat at the table.
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
don't people limp AQ live?
but if you said he's good/ok he'd open everything decent pre.. I do think this is a sigh fold though.
ohhh. he's in the STRADDLE! I give him credit for a decent A most of the time, people are still retarded and donk TP.
online I want to triple here vs regs/semi-thinking players, so don't listen to my opinion.
but if you said he's good/ok he'd open everything decent pre.. I do think this is a sigh fold though.
ohhh. he's in the STRADDLE! I give him credit for a decent A most of the time, people are still retarded and donk TP.
online I want to triple here vs regs/semi-thinking players, so don't listen to my opinion.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I almost bet ~$90 on the turn,but getting c/r on this turn would make me sick at my stomach. As anyone that reads my posts knows donk bets confuse the **** out of me. Anyone that has played 300nl live knows you rarely see pot sized bets especially on the river. So given he flats the raise on his staddle,donks the flop,pots it on the river after checking the turn had me flustered. It is hard to handle yourself with or without a hand for such a long time. When he gave me what i thought was a fake smile,i went with my gut.
Edit: Also after a few hours of playing and keeping track of amount of hands played per hour. An playing in several different places in the country, i will rethink my standard thinking of 30 hands a hour at live play. Right now i see a avg of 22 hands a hour. I would like to see others keep track of this aswell. So we could keep a better track of bb/100 an so forth.
Hero call!!! table says wow what a call. Villain says read it perfect he fliped over 5d6d. I thought about the hand on the way home. I just don't know if my line of thinking/reads are as solid as i would like to think.
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Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
I've always used 25/hr as my estimate for hands, but obv it's gonna be dependent on the room/who you get dealing each session.
I've gotten to the point of reggishness where I get annoyed when I've got one of the below-average dealers for speed. I've noticed that the speed is actually pretty dependent on players too though. My last session there was a guy who reeeaaalllyyy took his time. It was to the point where if there was a bet made at him for more than $40, I actually sat back in my chair to relax...
I've gotten to the point of reggishness where I get annoyed when I've got one of the below-average dealers for speed. I've noticed that the speed is actually pretty dependent on players too though. My last session there was a guy who reeeaaalllyyy took his time. It was to the point where if there was a bet made at him for more than $40, I actually sat back in my chair to relax...
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
I'd say that 40/hr would only happen with a relatively flawless, efficient dealer, along with a table of quick-moving players. If there are fewer purely rec players at your club, it's conceivable the speed would be that much faster because everyone there essentially knows what they are doing most of the time (not saying good, just that they "know the drill").
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
300nl hand from the same night as my last hand.
Hero ~ $400
Hero on the BTN TJo
UTG calls 3, MP1 calls,MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls,SB calls,BB checks
flop
8s9s5c
Checks around to Hero,Hero bets $12,UTG calls,MP1 calls,MP 2 calls
turn Kh
Checks around hero bets $30,UTG calls,MP1 calls,MP2 calls
river 7c (bink)
UTG checks,MP1 bets $5,MP2 calls,Hero raises to $108 ( was tring to make it 118,but 2 reds fell off as it was crossing the betting line WE) UTG tanks for ~1 min then calls, fold,fold.
Thoughts ??*
I've been limping a lot in late position lately. With hands like TJo,67s etc. My thoughts on this is the blinds are only playing there cards so a raise from them is only going to be a range like AK,QQ+. I then get to play nice flopable hands IP.
Of corse I could be way off here as well. I will say it does feel weak as shit to be limping in the CO,BTN. Though I really think its prob the most profitable way to play these type of hands at 300nl live.
Hero ~ $400
Hero on the BTN TJo
UTG calls 3, MP1 calls,MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls,SB calls,BB checks
flop
8s9s5c
Checks around to Hero,Hero bets $12,UTG calls,MP1 calls,MP 2 calls
turn Kh
Checks around hero bets $30,UTG calls,MP1 calls,MP2 calls
river 7c (bink)
UTG checks,MP1 bets $5,MP2 calls,Hero raises to $108 ( was tring to make it 118,but 2 reds fell off as it was crossing the betting line WE) UTG tanks for ~1 min then calls, fold,fold.
Thoughts ??*
I've been limping a lot in late position lately. With hands like TJo,67s etc. My thoughts on this is the blinds are only playing there cards so a raise from them is only going to be a range like AK,QQ+. I then get to play nice flopable hands IP.
Of corse I could be way off here as well. I will say it does feel weak as shit to be limping in the CO,BTN. Though I really think its prob the most profitable way to play these type of hands at 300nl live.
Jillychemung
Stacks & Stacks
Loyaler
Preflop - If players are folding to my BTN raises or my CBs then I have no problem raising JTo here.
Flop - I'm fine building a pot here as there is so much you can rep.
Turn - I want the free card here as anyone on a FD or SD that called the flop $12 will also call a turn bet.
River - Would be opponent dependent for me. Am I more likely to have one opponent make a hero call with a 6 or 2P thinking you're bluffing a missed FD or more likely to get two callers with a smaller reraise.
Flop - I'm fine building a pot here as there is so much you can rep.
Turn - I want the free card here as anyone on a FD or SD that called the flop $12 will also call a turn bet.
River - Would be opponent dependent for me. Am I more likely to have one opponent make a hero call with a 6 or 2P thinking you're bluffing a missed FD or more likely to get two callers with a smaller reraise.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I would like to see the math on a river over shove here. The thought didn't cross my mind in game but now ummmm.
Interesting that both you and WV check the turn. Looks like the 3rd best card in the deck to me to double with.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Off to Phoenix Az. this morning. I would like to get a few sessions in there. However since i'm only there for 5 days the company is makeing me ride with someone,sigh.
Then i'm home and off to ABQ NM. I've did some looking around online and ABQ seems to run some decent games so until then
Then i'm home and off to ABQ NM. I've did some looking around online and ABQ seems to run some decent games so until then
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Just got done playing at Sandia in ABQ NM. Rake is pretty sweet, 10% up to $3 max.
Hand 1
2/5 NL
Hero ~ $450 in the SB AdTd
UTG stradels $10,folds,BTN raises to $20, hero raises to $60
Thoughts?
Hand 2
Hero ~$1,400 in the BB with 8h9h
UTG ~$700
UTG calls $5,folds, CO calls,BTN calls,SB calls,Hero checks
Flop
8s9sAc
SB checks, Hero bets$15,UTG raises to $45,folds, Hero calls
Turn
JC
Hero checks, UTG bets $90,Hero calls
River
8d
Hero???
And thoughts on how I played it in general
Hand 1
2/5 NL
Hero ~ $450 in the SB AdTd
UTG stradels $10,folds,BTN raises to $20, hero raises to $60
Thoughts?
Hand 2
Hero ~$1,400
in the BB with 8h9hUTG ~$700
UTG calls $5,folds, CO calls,BTN calls,SB calls,Hero checks
Flop
8s9sAc
SB checks, Hero bets$15,UTG raises to $45,folds, Hero calls
Turn
JC
Hero checks, UTG bets $90,Hero calls
River
8d
Hero???
And thoughts on how I played it in general
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Hand 1, with no reads I prefer calling or folding to 3betting this spot. Are you 3betting as a bluff? Seems hard for it to be for value. But tbf people call 3bets way too wide, and I also don't really know how different 2/5 plays from 1/2. I'm guessing given that you didn't give anything after that everyone folded?
Hand 2, I think I like how you played it to the river, since 3betting the flop seems like it always folds out worse (like does he really ever GII with like AJ here? Probably not) and we end up GII practically drawing dead against sets and better 2pairs. Turn kind of sucks, cause we have to go full passive-mode but I don't really see a better option than x/c.
On the river the pot is pretty bloated, right? I could be off by a few dollars but it's looking like it should be roughly $290 in the pot on the river and he's got like $560 behind or so. A x/jam looks pretty solid here, as with the way he's betting I don't think he sees the 8 as much of a scare card - he probably puts you on a decent number of flush draws. The problem is you've posted no reads, so I don't know whether he could have gotten here with any draws either. Betting is obviously better if he might look you up times when he wouldn't have bet, but I think a x/jam here is best against most opponents.
Hand 2, I think I like how you played it to the river, since 3betting the flop seems like it always folds out worse (like does he really ever GII with like AJ here? Probably not) and we end up GII practically drawing dead against sets and better 2pairs. Turn kind of sucks, cause we have to go full passive-mode but I don't really see a better option than x/c.
On the river the pot is pretty bloated, right? I could be off by a few dollars but it's looking like it should be roughly $290 in the pot on the river and he's got like $560 behind or so. A x/jam looks pretty solid here, as with the way he's betting I don't think he sees the 8 as much of a scare card - he probably puts you on a decent number of flush draws. The problem is you've posted no reads, so I don't know whether he could have gotten here with any draws either. Betting is obviously better if he might look you up times when he wouldn't have bet, but I think a x/jam here is best against most opponents.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Yeah that was the plan. He checked behind with A9, an I was like wtf.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
I don't mind 3betting it as a bluff, but I think we definitely need to know that's why we're doing it when we do so. In all honesty I have never had the opportunity to 3bet bluff live because I've only played 1/2, and the spots available for 3bet bluffing there are extremely minimal.
Kinda surprised he checked behind with A9. The only 8 in your range should really be A8 and 98, but I suppose against a good opponent a bet may be a bit thin for him.
Kinda surprised he checked behind with A9. The only 8 in your range should really be A8 and 98, but I suppose against a good opponent a bet may be a bit thin for him.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Well I guess I can loose a session. Still only .5 of a bi at 1/2nl. Not bad considering I lost a $500 and a $600 pot.
Thoughts on this hand please
Hero on the BTN~$450 8hTh
HiJack $297
UTG calls,UTG 1 calls, folds, Hijack raise to $10,fold,Hero raises to$30,folds,hijack calls
Flop
KhTs4h
Hijack checks,Hero bets $40,HJ raises to $ $95, hero ships it
I mean I have to be gold here right? He has like almost 0 sets/2 pair in his range right.
I don't have my computer with me so I can't stove it, but still
$500 pot was standard set vs nut flush on the flop.
Thoughts on this hand please
Hero on the BTN~$450 8hTh
HiJack $297
UTG calls,UTG 1 calls, folds, Hijack raise to $10,fold,Hero raises to$30,folds,hijack calls
Flop
KhTs4h
Hijack checks,Hero bets $40,HJ raises to $ $95, hero ships it
I mean I have to be gold here right? He has like almost 0 sets/2 pair in his range right.
I don't have my computer with me so I can't stove it, but still
$500 pot was standard set vs nut flush on the flop.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
why 3b pre? I don't think we need to jack up the pot w/108hh on the btn tbh
I mean were flipping here like every time v AK, KQ, KJ so I guess it's fine? stack sizes being as they are, villain has like what 150 ish left? Meh, I like shipping it and hoping we have some FE v KJ/KQ
I mean were flipping here like every time v AK, KQ, KJ so I guess it's fine? stack sizes being as they are, villain has like what 150 ish left? Meh, I like shipping it and hoping we have some FE v KJ/KQ