Alucard's Cash Journal - 5NL to 10NL

[Alucard]

Turned it around but again turned on me.
Should've 3bet pre or so I said in my mind. Unfortunate or badly played??

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 20.23, PFR: 16.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.47, Hands: 632)
SB: 135.4 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 44)
BB: 80 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 145.2 BB (VPIP: 42.00, PFR: 31.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 103)
MP: 71.2 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (CO): 213.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ad Td
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (9.4 BB, 3 players) Ah 4d Ts
BB checks, UTG bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, fold, UTG raises to 55 BB, Hero raises to 210.8 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 87.2 BB and is all-in

Turn : (293.8 BB, 2 players) 5h

River : (293.8 BB, 2 players) Kd

UTG shows 4s 4h (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 50%, Flop 79%, Turn 91%)

Hero shows Ad Td (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 50%, Flop 21%, Turn 9%)

Hero wins 68.6 BB
UTG wins 279.2 BB

 

[Alucard]

ffs!!
Shove A5s pre & catch trips

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 21.79, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 5.73, Hands: 734)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.36, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
BB: 95.8 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
UTG: 174 BB (VPIP: 27.22, PFR: 18.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.97, Hands: 319)
Hero (MP): 142.6 BB
CO: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 21.62, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 114)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Qc Qs
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 126.6 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 123.6 BB

Flop : (254.6 BB, 2 players) Ks 5h 5c

Turn : (254.6 BB, 2 players) 2d

River : (254.6 BB, 2 players) Kc

Hero shows Qc Qs (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 67%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

CO shows 5s As (Full House, Fives full of Kings)
(Pre 33%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

CO wins 242 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Ok this is what I mentioned in the other thread about coping with variance.
Yeah the AT, now he is loose and 3betting him should be printing money. It's still OK to flat ATs there you are keeping in all his trash and dominating a lot of his aces.
You will probably earn more in the long run by flatting against someone this loose with ATs.
ATos would be the one to 3bet for sure.

These hands are all just coolers and you have to tell yourself that. Inject the logic and stay calm. If you feel hot and uncomfortable take a break until you have cooled off.

 

[braveslice]

"Unfortunate or badly played??"

Just unfortunate, imo, just like Fig says, but to make plays like this you should give some post flop stats. Pre vs Post fish are totally different animals, yes we can assume and probably get it right , but after 100 hands you should have some post stats to consider. Here for example villain has very small 3bet% hinting he might be a creature of his own. You do have post flop stats in use? I have never seen you to post them...

 

[braveslice]

Good point
+1


30bb is still not to be wasted.
I didnt notice the stack size. Fishy, but he's still not calling off busted draws.. I hate his river check even more now.

He is not calling busted draws, but stack size and 1bb donk bet hints he will call a lot, those hands include at least Qx and Jx, even lower pairs, sometimes naked Ax. I would have checked river yes, but I really try to learn not to do it against complete fish. Yes logically he can't call worse, but we can't give him logical play style given the hints he is giving.

 

[Alucard]

You do have post flop stats in use? I have never seen you to post them...

Yeah. Here's my HUD. I usually post them on hand analysis starting recently but not here

Notes | Name | Hands Abb | Vpip | PFR | Total AF
3bet PF | Fold to 3bpf | Att to steal | Fold to steal
Cbet flop | fold to CBF | Bet Turn

I'm looking to add more but this seems enough as for now.

 

[Alucard]

good reg

3bet+ pots

flop - cbet - 55% (23/42)
turn - cbet - (6/7), saw turn (all)- 64%
rever cbet (1/2)

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 322.6 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.81, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.34, Hands: 4,110)
BB: 196 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 18.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 6,757)
UTG: 133 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 97)
MP: 85.6 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 77)
CO: 104 BB (VPIP: 21.67, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 60)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9s 9c
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) 6s As 8d
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) 7h
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

River : (39 BB, 2 players) 9h
SB checks,

 

[Figaroo2]

good reg

3bet+ pots

flop - cbet - 55% (23/42)
turn - cbet - (6/7), saw turn (all)- 64%
rever cbet (1/2)

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 322.6 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.81, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.34, Hands: 4,110)
BB: 196 BB (VPIP: 23.43, PFR: 18.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 6,757)
UTG: 133 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 97)
MP: 85.6 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 77)
CO: 104 BB (VPIP: 21.67, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 60)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9s 9c
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) 6s As 8d
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (21 BB, 2 players) 7h
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

River : (39 BB, 2 players) 9h
SB checks,

3bets and then checks twice with an ace on the flop. He likely has JJ QQ KK and is just wanting a cheap showdown. The fact you checked behind flop will help getting a crying call especially from KK QQ.
Id bet 1/4-1/3 pot. If he raises happy days.

 

[Alucard]

Id bet 1/4-1/3 pot. If he raises happy days.

I bet around 90 cents. just under half pot. He folded.
I figured his range should be such. Only thing I was hesitant of was a pair of 10s which is very likely to lead river.

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AF = 2, F3bpf - 60

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 397.6 BB (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.77, Hands: 6,209)
SB: 60.2 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
BB: 209.6 BB (VPIP: 23.88, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.12, Hands: 475)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.60, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 1,472)
MP: 113 BB (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 10.74, 3Bet Preflop: 1.87, Hands: 306)
Hero (CO): 192.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ks As
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 25.6 BB, Hero calls 15.6 BB

Flop : (52.6 BB, 2 players) Kh 8h Jd
MP bets 37.4 BB,

 

[Alucard]

Something I rarely do.
Have played a ton with this guy. While he's a decent bluffer I cannot assume as such here.

Queens? Or Aces?? 5bet fold pre???

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 26.89, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 126)
SB: 189 BB (VPIP: 23.41, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 7,015)
BB: 127.8 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 20.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.58, Hands: 726)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 16.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.22, Hands: 182)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 10.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 145)
Hero (CO): 255.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kc Kh
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB raises to 25 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 15 BB

Flop : (54 BB, 2 players) Td Ts Qc
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (54 BB, 2 players) 5h
SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River : (114 BB, 2 players) 2s
SB bets 134 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 242.4 BB

 

[Ahoy]

Something I rarely do.
Have played a ton with this guy. While he's a decent bluffer I cannot assume as such here.

Queens? Or Aces?? 5bet fold pre???

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 26.89, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 126)
SB: 189 BB (VPIP: 23.41, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 7,015)
BB: 127.8 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 20.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.58, Hands: 726)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 16.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.22, Hands: 182)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 10.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 145)
Hero (CO): 255.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kc Kh
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB raises to 25 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 15 BB

Flop : (54 BB, 2 players) Td Ts Qc
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (54 BB, 2 players) 5h
SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River : (114 BB, 2 players) 2s
SB bets 134 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 242.4 BB

I jam the flop with KK here... If he has AA then okay... I will go with it. But other than that you are good. I think.

 

[Ahoy]

3bets and then checks twice with an ace on the flop. He likely has JJ QQ KK and is just wanting a cheap showdown. The fact you checked behind flop will help getting a crying call especially from KK QQ.
Id bet 1/4-1/3 pot. If he raises happy days.

I think the same. Often times I see people 3-bet pre and then just get scared on A-high board and slow down. Most likely he has KK QQ JJ ... I think the same

 

[Alucard]

I jam the flop with KK here... If he has AA then okay... I will go with it. But other than that you are good. I think.

we are playing 200BB deep. Not optimal IMO. Specially since I know what kind of player he is.Only thing is that I feel a 5bet should be done pre.

 

[Ahoy]

we are playing 200BB deep. Not optimal IMO. Specially since I know what kind of player he is.Only thing is that I feel a 5bet should be done pre.

I need a lot of improvement in these spots pre flop... How do you play these hands QQ KK AA when somebody raises your open pre? Do you raise again? And do you call or jam if he reraises you once again? I am not sure about these hands. So I prefer to fire the KK pre flop. It might be wrong, or not ideal, but only hand that has me crushed is AA... I want to avoid postflop mistakes because my postflop play is not ideal as you might know haha
How do you solve these situations?

 

[Alucard]

The only reason I flatted here is due to my history with him+ being 200BB+ effective.
Not while ago I opened AK UTG & he 3betted me 3way from SB. 250BB effective for us two.
I 4bet and he flatted with kings. played very passive post flop just calling me firing once on turn on a brick board.
These kind of things mattered when I made this move.

But then again I'm leaning towards queens more here due to his check on flop & shove on river hence I think I should've 5bet this. Perhaps a jam was right

 

[Ahoy]

The only reason I flatted here is due to my history with him+ being 200BB+ effective.
Not while ago I opened AK UTG & he 3betted me 3way from SB. 250BB effective for us two.
I 4bet and he flatted with kings. played very passive post flop just calling me firing once on turn on a brick board.
These kind of things mattered when I made this move.

But then again I'm leaning towards queens more here due to his check on flop & shove on river hence I think I should've 5bet this. Perhaps a jam was right

Oh yeah so the history gives you a hint... thats good. I need to really improve my AA KK QQ play pre flop bro I really suck at it I would say. I personally would just jam to avoid postflop mistakes. But you have better postflop than me

 

[Figaroo2]

Something I rarely do.
Have played a ton with this guy. While he's a decent bluffer I cannot assume as such here.

Queens? Or Aces?? 5bet fold pre???

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 26.89, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 126)
SB: 189 BB (VPIP: 23.41, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 7,015)
BB: 127.8 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 20.31, 3Bet Preflop: 8.58, Hands: 726)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 21.11, PFR: 16.11, 3Bet Preflop: 8.22, Hands: 182)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 10.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 145)
Hero (CO): 255.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kc Kh
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB raises to 25 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 15 BB

Flop : (54 BB, 2 players) Td Ts Qc
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn : (54 BB, 2 players) 5h
SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River : (114 BB, 2 players) 2s
SB bets 134 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 242.4 BB

The cold 4bet here is going to be mostly AA QQ and some AK JJ.
I think you played it just fine. The Q on the flop makes it easier to get away from KK here. You don't have to call the turn every time but to keep them honest with their AK JJ you need to call turn sometimes.
If you had 5 bet and he shoves are you gii that deep? I think preflop is fine.
Also you probably ran into QQ so would likely have lost either way.

 

[Figaroo2]

I bet around 90 cents. just under half pot. He folded.
I figured his range should be such. Only thing I was hesitant of was a pair of 10s which is very likely to lead river.

This...
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AF = 2, F3bpf - 60

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 397.6 BB (VPIP: 22.65, PFR: 17.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.77, Hands: 6,209)
SB: 60.2 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
BB: 209.6 BB (VPIP: 23.88, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.12, Hands: 475)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.60, PFR: 17.22, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 1,472)
MP: 113 BB (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 10.74, 3Bet Preflop: 1.87, Hands: 306)
Hero (CO): 192.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ks As
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 25.6 BB, Hero calls 15.6 BB

Flop : (52.6 BB, 2 players) Kh 8h Jd
MP bets 37.4 BB,

Yeah this is a tough spot. My first instinct off his 3bet stat is too fold now. 1.8 in 306 hands is just going to be AA and KK. And it's only 1 combo of KK so more than likely aces.
The problem is the sample size is still fairly small sometimes you might fold the best hand or a chop due to variance.
The flop sizing smells of value as well.
Honestly I think I just fold flop and wait for a better spot.

 

[Ahoy]

Yeah this is a tough spot. My first instinct off his 3bet stat is too fold now. 1.8 in 306 hands is just going to be AA and KK. And it's only 1 combo of KK so more than likely aces.
The problem is the sample size is still fairly small sometimes you might fold the best hand or a chop due to variance.
The flop sizing smells of value as well.
Honestly I think I just fold flop and wait for a better spot.

Hello,
May I ask you why only 1 combo of KK?
If i understand right there are 3 combos of KK left?

 

[Alucard]

The flop sizing smells of value as well.
Honestly I think I just fold flop and wait for a better spot.

I considered folding pre but couldn't fold because it was suited. On the flop I thought for a while & shoved on him. He tanked a bit & folded.
So for a while I kept thinking about the range I was targeting when I shoved. Speaking about a low 3bettor like this.


Queens are the only hand I'm making him fold here. All the aces, kings, jacks(unlikely) are ahead while I'm chopping with AK. But again makes me wonder whether he was silly enough to fold something like aces or AK there.
Range wise I don't think the shove was optimal which was a bad play by me.
But then again I cannot call this flop according to the same theory. Am I wrong? Cause we'd be priced in to call a shove on turn.

If i understand right there are 3 combos of KK left?

No. I have a king. There's another king on the board. So only one combo of kings could be left

 

[Alucard]

But here's when I look at the numbers. I have very little knoledge of how to use this info to my advantage. If someone could enlighten me it'd be helpful

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: JdKh8h
equity Win Tie
MP3 47.17% 28.70% 18.47% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
CO 52.83% 34.36% 18.47% { AsKs }

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: JdKh8h
Equity Win Tie
MP3 67.68% 38.13% 29.55% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
CO 32.32% 2.77% 29.55% { AsKs }

 

[Ahoy]

I considered folding pre but couldn't fold because it was suited. On the flop I thought for a while & shoved on him. He tanked a bit & folded.
So for a while I kept thinking about the range I was targeting when I shoved. Speaking about a low 3bettor like this.


Queens are the only hand I'm making him fold here. All the aces, kings, jacks(unlikely) are ahead while I'm chopping with AK. But again makes me wonder whether he was silly enough to fold something like aces or AK there.
Range wise I don't think the shove was optimal which was a bad play by me.
But then again I cannot call this flop according to the same theory. Am I wrong? Cause we'd be priced in to call a shove on turn.



No. I have a king. There's another king on the board. So only one combo of kings could be left

Oh dang, stupid me, I forgot the one on board

 

[Alucard]

I want to talk about this hand

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 108 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 13.81, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 424)
BB: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
UTG: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 24)
MP: 89 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 8.78, Hands: 795)
CO: 521.2 BB (VPIP: 42.25, PFR: 26.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 72)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Kd
fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, Hero raises to 11.2 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7.8 BB

Flop : (23.8 BB, 2 players) 9c 5d Tc
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn : (23.8 BB, 2 players) 2c
CO bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River : (57.8 BB, 2 players) 4c
CO bets 493 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 79.8 BB and is all-in

CO shows Ah 4h (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 31%, Flop 14%, Turn 11%)

Hero shows Ac Kd (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 69%, Flop 86%, Turn 89%)

CO wins 413.2 BB
Hero wins 206.6 BB

I've whiten the results cause it's the flop I want to talk about.
What do you think the best approach on a board like this vs a player like this?
Checking back or betting?? And the reasoning behind it?

 

[CRStals]

Play out the scenarios in your head:


You bet, he folds
- Is he the type that would fold A4h to a cbet on that board? No draw of any kind, no pair. If he is, then you miss out on a lot of value, but ensures you don't get rivered. Note this for next time you three bet and they call and the board looks like that.


You bet, he calls
- What does that do to the range in your head if they check-call on that board? Would you narrow him down to hitting a pair? If yes, then what does your plan become for the rest of the hand? Has he called down to the river before with a low pair? This is a risky situation because you may feel unless you improve you're beat


You bet, he raises
- Given that you three-bet pre, and they have countered your aggression with aggression on that board, what does your plan become? Do you continue? Do you three bet back? Do you plan to raise them on the turn? Do you place him on a pair, two pair, or more likely a set? If you're the type that would continue with AK on that board facing a check-raise after you three bet then this is just like he calls - you're not sure if you are beat unless the board improves you


You check
- If he's the aggressive type to turn the aggression around if you check, and you don't improve then it becomes difficult to call and it exposes your hand to two overcards vs a pair. Difference here is that you have more control to limit the damage if you fold on later streets by not inflating the pot more than it already is, and allows you to raise them on a later street if they take it as a sign of weakness.


Regardless this is a tough spot. You have a strong hand, and it's not likely that they have paired their hand (unless they have a PP) but ace-rag hands hit that flop which may be a sign that you could be beat and you do only have ace high.


Ultimately you need to use the past against them to determine your path, but I may be inclined to plan to bet / raise the turn regardless of what comes as there isn't much that could hit that would hurt your hand any more. You may scare them off with a flop bet (unless they are the type to continue) and you don't necessarily want to do that. So I think the way you played it, knowing what they have was fine. Encourage them to bet the turn, and then either plan to raise them on the turn or river.


Curious on others opinions though.

I want to talk about this hand

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 108 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 13.81, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 424)
BB: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
UTG: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 24)
MP: 89 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 8.78, Hands: 795)
CO: 521.2 BB (VPIP: 42.25, PFR: 26.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 72)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Kd
fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, Hero raises to 11.2 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7.8 BB

Flop : (23.8 BB, 2 players) 9c 5d Tc
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn : (23.8 BB, 2 players) 2c
CO bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River : (57.8 BB, 2 players) 4c
CO bets 493 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 79.8 BB and is all-in

CO shows Ah 4h (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 31%, Flop 14%, Turn 11%)

Hero shows Ac Kd (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 69%, Flop 86%, Turn 89%)

CO wins 413.2 BB
Hero wins 206.6 BB

I've whiten the results cause it's the flop I want to talk about.
What do you think the best approach on a board like this vs a player like this?
Checking back or betting?? And the reasoning behind it?

 

[Figaroo2]

I want to talk about this hand

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 108 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 13.81, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 424)
BB: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
UTG: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 24)
MP: 89 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 8.78, Hands: 795)
CO: 521.2 BB (VPIP: 42.25, PFR: 26.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 72)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Kd
fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, Hero raises to 11.2 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 7.8 BB

Flop : (23.8 BB, 2 players) 9c 5d Tc
CO checks, Hero checks

I've whiten the results cause it's the flop I want to talk about.
What do you think the best approach on a board like this vs a player like this?
Checking back or betting?? And the reasoning behind it?

When you are trying to figure out what to do against any opponent then vpip/pfr gives you half the puzzle. A quarter comes from previous actions and the last quarter from his levels of aggression.
John and I talked a lot about aggression levels and how players of different levels can be expected to respond.
So when I see the high vpip I know he's loose. Ergo he probably calls 3bets wider than normal. You also don't run up 500+bb stacks unless you are either pretty good or very lucky.
For me looking in from the outside here I can't comment on the likely best line because I'd need to know several things.
Is he loose passive or loose aggressive and how often does he call 3bets, how often does he fold to cbets on both flop and turn and what is his wtsd% to give me an indication of how sticky he is.
When you know all these factors you should have a fairly good idea as to how to proceed.
It's then common sense, if they rarely fold to 3bets you can range them wider. If they don't fold to cbets and have a high wtsd% (>28%) then trying to bluff them is pointless.
When you are oop with just overcards and your 3bet and cbet gets called then you are usually behind and should be giving up most of the time unless they hardly ever to to showdown.
Against lags like this you should often check a lot to avoid giving them too much information.
He's playing too many hands, he has to get rid of his junk either by folding bluffing or showing down. He's relying on you to give him a steer, so keep your sizings and cbet frequencies consistent.
On this lowish flop it favours his range, we can't rep much other than overpairs. I'm usually not betting here.