Alucard's Cash Journal - 2NL to 5NL

[Figaroo2]

Post some overall stats and stats by position and then do the same just for the last 5000 hands for a direct comparison. It maybe that you won't be able to separate the sites when just choosing the last 5k though. And where are your charts that include your 5nl? Don't hide them away just because they mightn't look as good.

 

[Alucard]

Don't have some decent number of hands at 5NL but here's the ones so far where I've been putting some effort into

party poker 5NL 6max (Fast forward)

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888 5NL 6max normal

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pokerstars 5NL 6max zoom
looks ugly as hell Lost around 2 buyins the last time I went. Before I started the rake race at party.

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Some stuff I've been struggling with. Huge looses early in the session.
Last time on party (5240 hand mark) I went down around $12 within 10mins or so before having a long session ending slight profit.
That has been my main struggle so far. Takes time to get my self focused and get back in the game.

And of course overbluffing too much. But getting that somewhat controlled.

 

[Alucard]

Ok so I merged all 3 sites together to see how the graphs would look.


Here's 2NL

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Here's 5NL zoom+fast forward. Might include some 5NL snap dumb runs at 888 I guess

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5NL one looks sick. I haven't moved to proper 5NL 6max normal tables so have to wait for those charts to analyse whether my red lines would be high as that.

I found an interesting video where a coach go through the stats and find out the leaks. Will apply the same thorey to mine later.

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/20741/

Would be very thankful to anyone giving their thoughts & advice regarding the graphs, leaks & how to fix them.

Let me know if there's more stuff you'd need.

 

[Alucard]

Aaaaand the last graph.

All 3 sites merged together. All dates + all stakes up until now

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[braveslice]

So Alus’ data for rake:
Party Poker Rake
2NL: 8.19 bb/100
5NL: 8.21 bb/100

888 Poker Rake
2NL: 9.43 bb/100
5NL: 9.66 bb/100

Can we have PokerStars too plz?

Edit: Your large graph looks awesome

 

[Alucard]

Pokerstars
*2NL 6max - Rake = $46.00 | Hands = 36252 | BB/100 = 13.96 | BB won = 5062 | Hands won = 5800

* 5NL 6max (fast) - Rake = $21.54 | Hands = 6644 | BB/100 = 2.26 | BB won = 150.20 | Hands won = 956

Thanks man
I really like the 2NL one. You can almost find a straight uptrend line.
Not so happy about the 5NL zoom+fast until now. I think the variance plays a part as well.
The last one includes some stupid runs I made when I played 5NL/10NL games at 2NL times. I always seem to get crushed when try I move up without sufficient BR.

 

[braveslice]

“BTW is there a way to analyze graphs/stats by omitting some sessions.
Like last 5000 hands o the first 5000 hands?”

Not directly:
To select are of interest from graph directly, go to Results-> Report:Overview

To select range of interest: Left click box zoom area of interest. Stats are shown only for selected area.

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Change (down) to advanced view, group by stake position jne.

To pre select stake, left More filters-Game Details-Stakes, from there you can also select Sites you are interested in.

If you are missing a stat, you can add as many you like to have right clicking stat area and Configure Report.

If you are interested more tools, you need to see bottom text where it says the dates and add that to Date filters manually

 

[Keith_MM]

on the reports , go down to filters and select between dates and fill in the start and end dates that you want to analyse

once you have your rake in bb/100you could then lookat your effective rake in bb/100 by adding back in your rakeback/rewards.

 

[braveslice]

Recap RAKE analysis for Party vs 888 vs Stars by Alu

Party Poker Rake
2NL: 8.19 bb/100
5NL: 8.21 bb/100

888 Poker Rake
2NL: 9.43 bb/100
5NL: 9.66 bb/100

Stars Poker Rake
2NL: 6.35 bb/100
5NL 6.48 bb/100

Party vs Stars in finals. Party to triuph they have to have x times larger rakeback.

8.20*(1-x* rakebakc%) - 6.415*(1-rakebakc%) = 0
x = (1283* rakebakc% + 357) / (1640* rakebakc%)

So forexample if Stars has rakeback 10%
x = (1283* 0.1 + 357) / (1640* 0.1) = 2.96
And thus Party has to have 3x larger rakeback 30% to break even.

But it's not quite that simple the rake is considerably higher when fishes call and makes the pots larger. So method to compare with winrate should be created.

 

[Keith_MM]

stars ewards is going to be something like 5% now though.....so party's 20 % easily beats it + weaker player pool

 

[braveslice]

stars ewards is going to be something like 5% now though.....so party's 20 % easily beats it + weaker player pool

Yes, 15% is enough to be better in case of pokerstars having 5%.

2NL seems similar through sites, I doubt 5NL regular is that different either.

 

[Alucard]

What a day today!!!
Pretty insane!

Had two sessions at fast forward 6 max 5NL at party.

*1st session

Hands - 668
BB/100 = -67.66 :banghead:
Net won - $22.60

Felt sick after that. Two near coolers + 1 overbluff for 3 buyins!! Then around $7 other stuff. Some pretty idiotic.
So it seems I can't 3 table fast forward at party. The time banks are pretty small, so you get used to snap clicking buttons without looking into stats & thinking too much.

Took some time off and got back. I was hoping to get to $150 at party & move to another thread but this shit happened
Couldn't let it go like that. 2 tabled a somewhat long session. Had some losses along the way so the session went for some time

*2nd session

hands - 2555
BB/100 = 26.05
Net won - $33.28 :icon_rr:

So got it back right up. I want to upload this image. Check out my stacks. I had the biggest stack in the whole player pool!!!

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But yeah. I'm fed up with these kind of swings. Obviously I'm doing something very wrong when I'm loosing like this & obviously I'm doing something very right when I'm winning like this.

I've passed the $150 mark at party poker. So will be moving o a new thread after we close discussing this session's thoughts & opinions.
Thanks for all the help & support!!!

 

[braveslice]

In my opinion you don’t do anything wrong. You just have adapted to 25NL play 2 levels before =) That said, without reasonable advanced hand reading skill be mentally ready to try stepping up many times at one step of your career. But that would have happened anyways, regardless of style, so nothing lost. Dancing on the edge of blade is both rewarding as well as punishing. Always easier to step down aggression than upping it goes the old saying.

 

[Alucard]

Another horrible session. Played as patient as I could.
Maybe some questionable shoves

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.55, PFR: 15.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 636)
SB: 72.4 BB (VPIP: 34.88, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 44)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP: 50 BB (VPIP: 27.89, PFR: 20.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 193)
CO: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 26.98, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 64)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Js As
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (12 BB, 4 players) 6c Jc Jd
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 5.6 BB, SB calls 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB, fold

Turn : (28.8 BB, 3 players) 4d
SB bets 1.6 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, CO raises to 30 BB, fold, Hero raises to 91.4 BB and is all-in, CO calls 61.4 BB

River : (213.2 BB, 2 players) 5d

CO shows 6d 6s (Full House, Sixes full of Jacks)
(Pre 52%, Flop 77%, Turn 84%)

Hero mucks Js As (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 48%, Flop 23%, Turn 16%)

CO wins 202.6 BB

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 185.8 BB (VPIP: 24.72, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.55, Hands: 461)
SB: 108 BB (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 24.45, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 324)
BB: 111.6 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 36)
UTG: 98.8 BB
Hero (MP): 142.2 BB
CO: 49 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Td Ts
UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop : (13.4 BB, 3 players) 7h 2c 6h
UTG bets 6.4 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, fold, UTG raises to 94.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 76.8 BB

Turn : (203 BB, 2 players) 3c

River : (203 BB, 2 players) As

Hero shows Td Ts (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

UTG shows 7s 7d (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

UTG wins 193 BB

Such a cooler. Perhaps should've 3bet this

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): 336.2 BB
SB: 60.8 BB (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 11.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 157)
BB: 135.6 BB (VPIP: 12.61, PFR: 4.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 115)
UTG: 87.2 BB (VPIP: 31.67, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 63)
MP: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 25.66, PFR: 19.08, 3Bet Preflop: 8.93, Hands: 155)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.92, PFR: 11.94, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 207)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ad Td
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop : (10 BB, 3 players) Kh Qd Jh
SB checks, UTG bets 7.6 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, SB raises to 57.8 BB and is all-in, UTG raises to 84.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 66.2 BB

Turn : (236.2 BB, 3 players) 8c

River : (236.2 BB, 3 players) Th

Hero shows Ad Td (Straight, Ace High)

Main Pot [183.4 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 36%, Turn 57%)
Side Pot [52.8 BB]: (Pre 66%, Flop 59%, Turn 76%)

SB mucks Jd Js (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Main Pot [183.4 BB]: (Pre 63%, Flop 36%, Turn 24%)

UTG shows 4h Ah (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [183.4 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 28%, Turn 19%)
Side Pot [52.8 BB]: (Pre 34%, Flop 41%, Turn 24%)

UTG wins 50 BB
UTG wins 174.4 BB

Net loss of - $11.42
Back to grinding the losses again.
Meantime partypoker has awarded me with another $5 rakeback even though I couldn't cover the weekly points of 50.
Party roll - $150.32

 

[Figaroo2]

AsJs
Classic cooler, there isn't anything you can do here because they are getting it in with JK JQ JT which we beat.

TT
I'm normally folding TT here to the shove unless I have a note that says he shoves draws. We just don't beat enough here for my tastes.

ATs
Calling is fine. I'd rather 3bet if it was off suit and only then if UTG is confirmed as loose.
Total donk overplay of nut flush draw by UTG, unlucky.

 

[Figaroo2]

Although the rake stuff is interesting. Is there anything you can do about it?
And anyone, How do you calculate your rake back on pokerstars? I've seen a few posts on 2p2 where people have managed to keep track but hardly transparent is it.....
Fwiw I don't bother spending time analysing things I can't change.
Same as fretting about your all in ev adjusted line, it's only use is to help me see if I'm running bad I've turned if off on my charts now.

 

[Alucard]

I've been running pretty bad today.
Had another 2 buy in+ loosing session.
Roll went right down to around $139.

After I reviewed my hands, I found out that my curiosity & not believing I'm beat is the reason I'm loosing more. In a sense becoming a calling station later streets.
So will try to dial down going to showdowns with middle pockets on heavy boards etc..
Preflop I'm a bit adjusting my play from the SB.
Would never flat again. 3bet or fold. I almost did that except for some pockets & under-repping against early positions. But wouldn't continue this. As upswing recommends, I'm erasing my flatting range from SB.
Although I'm not quite certain about the 3 bet ranges against UTG & MP.

And also will try to increase my aggression a bit.
I need a good check raising strategy. I'm still not quite certain of the spots where I should check raise OOP or even check back & raise later street.

Quite unhappy with the swings tbh. Will have a session later on.

 

[Supmargy]

I've been running pretty bad today.
Had another 2 buy in+ loosing session.
Roll went right down to around $139.

After I reviewed my hands, I found out that my curiosity & not believing I'm beat is the reason I'm loosing more. In a sense becoming a calling station later streets.

I need a good check raising strategy. I'm still not quite certain of the spots where I should check raise OOP or even check back.

I feel you. Being curious is pretty bad in poker. Its something i have to battle every time I fold. Because if the villain is not a fish you generally dont know what he's aggressive with untill youve played at least 200 hands at the table.

If you find a good guide or check raise strat that works well, feel free to share as I've been struggling with it as well. Ive read somewhere that mixing up your check call and raise a little bit makes you unpredictable. So theres a gray area. But i have no idea where that area is. It might have been in an upswing article you posted earlier in this thread if i recall correctly.

 

[Alucard]

Things aren't going well. Horrible day.
I'm down 11+ buy ins. Tilted, have lost patience & playing bad. Gonna take a break from tables.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Things aren't going well. Horrible day.
I'm down 11+ buy ins. Tilted, have lost patience & playing bad. Gonna take a break from tables.

Stop playing. One never ending session bro. Don't spew $$.

Remove yourself from the game until you get your head on straight again.

 

[Supmargy]

Things aren't going well. Horrible day.
I'm down 11+ buy ins. Tilted, have lost patience & playing bad. Gonna take a break from tables.

I saw some youtubers say its always a good idea to say how long you're gonna keep playing before each session, and never go over that time (unless you're doing well inna toruney of course). If things go badly, you can always stop earlier. Maybe even say "if i lose x amount before the end, i'll stop as well."

I tend to simply ragequit my table if it goes really badly, and come back when I'm coooled down. I think there are some programs online that help you stop if you cant click that exit button.

 

[braveslice]

Aww that sucks. Better luck next time.

Btw be sure to have non poker day/days on the week too, this is long run.

 

[Alucard]

Well I got back and lost another $15.

So for 2 days I've a net loss of around $70

Stopping fast forward & zoom now. Party roll went down of $60 while stars down around $10+

This sucks hard.

Will not compete in the rake race & will stop the tables for a while.
Has really taken a toll on me. Feel like I'm burned out.
Any magic I had seems lost right now.

 

[Supmargy]

Will not compete in the rake race & will stop the tables for a while.
Has really taken a toll on me. Feel like I'm burned out.
Any magic I had seems lost right now.

Ignore those two days, take a good look at those graphs you posted earlier. It's proof you can do this. You got extremely unlucky, or more likely, forgot some parts of what you learned earlier.

If you skim through your thread, you'll probably find some things you didn't apply during your downswing.
Take a break, reset, do some off table study if you feel like it, and get back to it only when you WANT to play.

That's how I'd go about it.

Good luck man! I think we all believe in you!

EDIT: ps: with "ignore", i mean: ignore them for now. You can take a look at them once you're reset and ready to go. You'll probably learn a lot from those hands.

 

[Alucard]

I'll be posting most of the hands that I lost more than 40BBs.
Most of them will look stupid due to me trying to steal the pot or getting tilted.

I don't actually feel that bad about the money I lost which seems really bad. If I don't care, I loose the purpose to grind. Maybe because I'm a bit fed up due to the rake race grind & the swings.

New goals
Post all the hands where I lost 40BBs+ and analyse them.
Stay away from the tables for a couple of days.
Get back to 2NL grinding to get the roll & confidence back up & when moving up to 5NL, stick to normal tables as much as possible.